Copper can cut limestone and with sand as an abrasive can cut granite. I've seen plenty of documentaries that demonstrate that this can be done. Just an hour ago I saw Christopher Dunn, author of "The Giza Power Plant", drilling a hole in granite with a copper tube and sand on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens. In addition, the The Petrie Museum in London has an extensive collection of ancient Egyptian tools including granite drill tubes which were used to drill holes in granite.
Ancient barges had enormous capacity. Queen Hatchepsut's barges ([SIZE=-2]1498-1483 BCE) [/SIZE]were famous for carrying some of the largest obelisks ever built. The transportation of obelisks were big events witnessed by entire populations living along side the Nile and are recorded in carvings and in diaries of people involved. These barges had a capacity of 1,500 tons, enough to carry more than one obelisk weighing several hundred tons at a time.
Queen Hatshepsut's Obelisk Barge
Ancient Egypt: River boats
No one questions how the Romans got a hold of all those obelisks from Egypt, transported them across the Mediterranean, or erected them in all those piazzas. Here are some of them:
NOVA Online | Mysteries of the Nile | A World of Obelisks: Rome
Yet there they are. Several hundred tons each. The Roman technology and techniques were, by modern standards, not that more advanced than the Egyptians in any way that could not have been compensated by sheer man power. We don't think the Romans had help from Aliens because they were quite proud of their engineering prowess and heavily documented their work.
The documentation of building techniques is, to me, the only thing that separates the mysterious from sheer fantasy. Perhaps the Egyptians did document lots of things but we may never know. Maybe if the Great Library of Alexandria, the holder of much of ancient knowledge, hadn't burned down we wouldn't have to make up ridiculous theories of how these great monuments were built with the help of ET.
While i appreciate your comment's, i have to disagree on a number of point's, you have made in your post. Copper tools that have been alleged to have been used by the Egyptians in their work could "Not" have cut the limestone used in the construction of the Pyramids. Now Skeptics ok would turn around and ask me. "How can you make such an assumption (what evidence do you have) Afterall, i am just a guy who posts to a paranormal forum and surely recognised mainstream Egyptologists here would have more or have greater understanding of a subject they have devoted their lives to professionally?
For the Skeptics.. the recognised model for determining the hardness of materials is the MOH scale. The Limestone used in the construction of the Great Pyramid would require a material ie.. (metal) of 4.5 or 5 to have been used in the cutting.
The Copper saw the Egyptologists put on show at the Cairo Museum are made of Copper only, there was no mixing of Metals by the Egyptians to make a stronger cutting tool.
Copper on the MOH scale is 3 or 3.5 So explain to me please "how Copper tools could have cut the limestone when the strength was not sufficient to do so?" Limestone stone hardness at Giza is 4.5. This is not something i made up in my head this are accepted and recognised fact's..
Astroboy ... Granite stone hardness is 6 to 8 that is another recognised fact. "So Copper tools would only scratch the stone not cut. You are basing your ideas on a Documentary you saw, can you show me the clips were Copper Tools cut Granite for example? I basing my ideas around facts.
The MOH scale has been used since the 1800's and it has been recognised the world over by experts in such matters. The only metal that could have cut the Limestone is Iron and Steel. However there is no substantial Archaeological evidence for the existence of either Iron or steel in Egyptian times, but i believe does metals must have been used in the cutting processes?
Yes a large Barge was build by the Egyptian Queen Hatsheput during her reign. You however have overlooked a few critical points in your analyse. One being the Barge depicted at her temple near Luxor was just a depiction and you also over look the fact their is no evidence such a Barge existed during the Pyramid age. Even though there is strong evidence a large barge was build by the queen this all occurred 1,OOO years later after the Pyramid build.
The accurate year is 1500BCE. Egypotologists claim small barges carried the stones down the Nile not large Barges. They could only carry 40tons per trip and most of the weight had to be positioned at the deck in case of tilting or capsizing. Realistically we can not discount large barges being used, but Egypotologists do not agree with me on this point.
Simple fact for you.. The Wood required for the makings of sleds and the building of the barges(boats) could not be found in Egypt. Egypt has no forests they only grow date trees and palm trees and olive trees. These trees especially the date and olive tree supplied a food source for the peoples of Egypt as part of their daily diet.
Realistically they would not cut down trees that provide a food for their people. Most of the wood was probably got from Lebanon (cedar wood) but the amount of wood needed and required would be too much. They would have cut down every tree in Lebanon within 5 years if Egyptologists are to be believed here. Sleds would have to replaced often because of the heavy weights being used and oil perhaps being used to lubricate the movement of the stones along the sled.
When you talk in terms of tons People tend to go blank. So according to Egypotologists; A barge was capable of carrying 40 tons. So in layman's term's that simply means around 5 to 8 Elephants weighting 5 to 7 Tons each depending on species would be aboard each barge travelling every day from the quarry that was 480 miles away in Aswan Egypt.
Egyptologist's claim that 2 million 300,000 stones were used in construction of the Great Pyramid.
I actually believe the number of stones is greater perhaps 3 and half million. Anyway's when you do the sums that means every six minutes a new block would have to placed with precision and without causing damage in doing so. Honestly how that would be possible is beyond me. We are assuming also they were working around the clock for 24 hour periods. Again not very logical. Remember these sums are based on the information povided by Egyptologists who claim it took 23 Years to build the Giza period. I think they probably would've got bored after 5 years never mind 23 years a personal joke here no need to laugh.
What about Labour. Egypt had a population of one and half million during the Fourth dynasty. Egypt couldn't not spare workers like this for long periods. Egypt needed this workers during peak seasons they were an agrarian society that depended on farming. I could write lot more but frequently i do not have the time or the patience for long debates.
Astro do you not even find it one bit strange. That a place that is heralded as once being the cradle of Civilization. That is Egypt and it's people somehow just forget to documented these events? Egyptian society recorded everything else practically but not this. I'm not a fool if someone does not accept ownership, i tend to believe they have no right to it. This is the case here. They never build it because they never claimed they did. We all just assume they must have because we no evidence of any other culture advanced enough before them having the ability to do so. You envoke Aliens.. i never once claimed Aliens build the Pyramids. I stick to facts mainly not assumptions at least i try to avoid assuming too much as best i can.
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