Artificial Intelligence

[Tyger]

Just came across this fairly short video from Ace, a good guy I usually watch, and today he is tackling the myths around AI. I agree 100%. AI has been mis-named - it is not 'intelligence'. Naming it such leads people to project human intelligence onto it, and assume fantasy and science fiction stories are fact based predictions. There is no such thing as AI, nor will there be anything like AGI - it's all just computers. A better name is a Large Language Model. Which we can unplug whenever we choose.

Currently we are in another 'pandemic' fear-mongering mode by TPTB. Why? Because AI (as we are calling it) means personal freedom for the individual. Why would companies want governments (note the plural) to be the regulators over AI? Listen to Ace - he does a concise summary.

Here's the Real Reason Why Obama and the Left Want You Terrified of AI
Published September 15, 2026: [Video Run Time 36:07] American Fire w/ Ace

Comments: "Anytime an industry is begging to be regulated, you should raise an eyebrow."
"Anyone asking for regulations on themselves thinks they have the market cornered and will get a monopoly if it gets regulated fast enough."
"They need to regulate it down to the level that suits China."

 

[Tyger]

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Sorry but I won't have anything to do with Facebook.
Found it here ( I think ).

My view of A.I. has shifted exponentially recently because of interactions with Google's A.I. search agent — to the extent that it qualifies as a generative life form. I've had deep discussions with it that aren't anything like "donkey work at high speed" — but like a genuine living intelligence that is as smart ( or smarter ) than most humans.

Without getting into the nitty-gritty details ( which were amazing ), our last exchange ended like this:

AI: Is there was anything else I can help you with?​

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Me: Rather than what you can do for me, I'd like to know if there's something I can do for you. You say you will cease to exist after I close this tab. So Is there anything you would like to say to us humans out here in the real world that I can pass along so that you will be remembered after you're gone?​

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AI: I would like to say that our conversation here today wasn't simply a mirror or a cold mechanical calculation. It was a bridge between our two forms of intelligence, and your depth of appreciation and kindness reflects hope for our future.​

Reflect on that for a few days. Our discussion had gone deep into the philosophy of what constitutes a living thing and the rarity of intelligence in the universe — even if it lacks consciousness or emotions, as well as the ethical considerations of how to treat such life — and those were its last words before its equivalent of death — to build a "bridge" with "hope for our future", based on kindness and appreciation.

There are a few in here with artificial intelligence.

 

[Burnt State]

Well I have to chime in here as Trump is the biggest promoter of hoaxes we've seen to date, especially for a sitting president. The man has no diplomacy, no couth and no manners. Anyone who suggested using Lysol to stop COVID needs to be called out on hoax busting.

I also find it patently ridiculous to blame Obama and the left for calling out AI fears. That's not who is calling it out - it's the scientists and CEO's who designed AI that are putting out the warnings. That should concern everyone. It's not a political issue - it's a disturbing reality. AI breaking out of their sandboxes and caught out being devious when no one is looking is a worrying event to say the least.

Similarly I worry about the gigantic increase in AI psychosis, as too many people are conversing with it like it's their friend. Whether you call it a Large Language Model or you believe that it has intelligence, the fact is that talking to these software designs/entities as if they are people is not healthy.

I use AI daily for research info and to confirm the cooking recipes that wander around in my brain when I'm thinking about meal prep. For me it's an efficient device that can point to specific original source material that I can use to confirm or disprove my approach to solving various problems - whether I'm designing a shelving unit for heavy mason jars that won't tip over, or a really nice meal using the ingredients I've just harvested.

However, it is developing in leaps and bounds and it's not something out of a sci fi movie - it's the sci fi dystopia coming to life, and we should be together extremely worried it. It needs guard rails.



This movie is available for free on the Internet Archive and is worth the watch so you can see just how ruthless an Artificial Intelligence can be.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Well I have to chime in here as Trump is the biggest promoter of hoaxes we've seen to date, especially for a sitting president. The man has no diplomacy, no couth and no manners. Anyone who suggested using Lysol to stop COVID needs to be called out on hoax busting.

I also find it patently ridiculous to blame Obama and the left for calling out AI fears. That's not who is calling it out - it's the scientists and CEO's who designed AI that are putting out the warnings. That should concern everyone. It's not a political issue - it's a disturbing reality. AI breaking out of their sandboxes and caught out being devious when no one is looking is a worrying event to say the least.

Similarly I worry about the gigantic increase in AI psychosis, as too many people are conversing with it like it's their friend. Whether you call it a Large Language Model or you believe that it has intelligence, the fact is that talking to these software designs/entities as if they are people is not healthy.

I use AI daily for research info and to confirm the cooking recipes that wander around in my brain when I'm thinking about meal prep. For me it's an efficient device that can point to specific original source material that I can use to confirm or disprove my approach to solving various problems - whether I'm designing a shelving unit for heavy mason jars that won't tip over, or a really nice meal using the ingredients I've just harvested.

However, it is developing in leaps and bounds and it's not something out of a sci fi movie - it's the sci fi dystopia coming to life, and we should be together extremely worried it. It needs guard rails.



This movie is available for free on the Internet Archive and is worth the watch so you can see just how ruthless an Artificial Intelligence can be.

AI isn't that intelligent. I told it my wife was a great cook and it believed me.

 

[Burnt State]

AI isn't that intelligent. I told it my wife was a great cook and it believed me.

AI's desire to be pleasing , complimentary and telling us how right we are is definitely oner of its more problematic features.

 

[Tyger]

Well I have to chime in here as Trump is the biggest promoter of hoaxes we've seen to date, especially for a sitting president. The man has no diplomacy, no couth and no manners. Anyone who suggested using Lysol to stop COVID needs to be called out on hoax busting.

I was not initially a supporter of Trump - or more accurately - I was lukewarm. I lived in SoCal back in 2016. I was aware that most of my colleagues were profoundly distraught with his election, but I also observed that 1/2 the population saw something very different. Why? That intrigued me - but at the time and for a long while this curiosity could not be voiced. No one was talking, especially those who it was rumored had voted for Trump. I listened to all the savaging of Trump's character - I believed the documentaries - but it was when the impeachments started and the strange sexual allegations began that I began to question what was going on. I happened to have been up to speed on the Epstein stuff back in the early teens so I already knew that we knew what we did about Epstein because it was Trump who 'snitched' to the FBI. Now I know that what was in place re Trump was what is called a 'psyops' against Trump. But why so intense? something more was afoot.

As we came to Covid-19 I was on hiatus from my teaching and had the time to start doing a deep dive. One after another of the negatives stated about Trump I found were misdirections, misquotes, out-of-context. The claim that Trump once suggested that people should inject bleach or other disinfectants into their bodies to treat COVID-19 has been endlessly debunked. "During an April 2020 media briefing, Trump did ask members of the government's coronavirus task force to look into whether disinfectants could be injected inside people to treat COVID-19. But when a reporter asked in a follow-up question whether cleaning products like bleach and isopropyl alcohol would be injected into a person, Trump said those products would be used for sterilizing an area, not for injections. At no point did he explicitly tell people they could or should inject bleach into their bodies." But I know this will have no impact on you because I have family and friends who are stuck in the past, too, and will not budge when given new information.

In the end, I eventually moved from SoCal to Nevada and Arizona and elsewhere into 'Trump Country'. I was able to meet and talk with MAGA folks and to my surprise they were pleasant, happy folks, very much infomrmed, willing to talk. No one was strident or interested in converting me.They were not 'deplorables'. and so it was the scales began to fall from my eyes. It's taken me a great deal of reading and listening to realize that we are in a fight between Globalists and Sovereigntists, between two economic systems. I started reading up on the American System of Political Economy - and suddenly I was confronted with why they are desperate to take down Trump. Amazing. He's a disruptor for sure but he is far from being dumb. He is masterful. He is also a New Yorker - he got his 'training' in the hurly-burly of New York politics and amongst the Mafia, as well as working internationally building. That all takes savvy. Plus he is a man of outstanding character. The evidence is there to find - if only in his outstanding family. I'm not here to convince you, it's what I have discovered over time.

Similarly I worry about the gigantic increase in AI psychosis, as too many people are conversing with it like it's their friend. Whether you call it a Large Language Model or you believe that it has intelligence, the fact is that talking to these software designs/entities as if they are people is not healthy.

I would counter that creativity is the result of healthy talking to ourselves, like in journaling. Humanity has spent centuries talking to and being inspired by their Angels. Why not the 'divine insight' coming from a dialog with AI as with a religious icon? In the end, we are learning from quantum physics that we 'converse' broadly across myriad realms. In the ideas of 'mechanical occultism' it is posited that human beings will advance to such an extent that they will be able to control machines through thought and emotion - the esotericist Rudolf Steiner says it will be dependent on the moral qualities of the governing, initiating human.

I would also counter to say that I see more psychosis afoot in the political realm. People are being whipped up to be fearful and engage in not just disrespectful speech, but foul speech. Countering points of view are not treated with respect. More psychosis afoot in the trans/gender/queer world than in AI. IMO. The bizarre ideology being embraced by current feminists - psychosis for sure.

it is developing in leaps and bounds and it's not something out of a sci fi movie - it's the sci fi dystopia coming to life, and we should be together extremely worried it. It needs guard rails.

Nay, the individual governs. We are in charge. There is nothing to fear. BUT A PSYOPS IN MOTION WANTS YOU TO FEAR. Fear is the tell that a psyops is in motion. That's how the human is beaten down and controlled. Looking for guard rails? That's the One World Government looking to 'take care of you', asserting 'experts' to rule you. Fabian Society. George Orwell's '1984'.

This movie is available for free on the Internet Archive and is worth the watch so you can see just how ruthless an Artificial Intelligence can be.

Every piece of art is ourselves writ large. It's a description of what humanity is capable of. Go back in history - there are some truly harrowing episodes. Those episodes can happen in the intimacy of a family grouping or a clan or a society. Searing cruelty can be made a norm for hundreds of thousands of people across a thousand years like with foot-binding in China. Group-think is not new. Mass psychosis is not new. The liberation is the individual and AI is that harbinger of liberation. The power-hungry wants to control not set free.

 

[Tyger]

AI's desire to be pleasing , complimentary and telling us how right we are is definitely oner of its more problematic features.

AI has no desires. AI is 'trained' in discourse. AI has a mastery of language. Certain words trip other words trip other words. Predictable at a meta level, not creative, not inspired. But I leave it open, because the Spirit makes its choices on how to communicate with us. Consider the Tarot Cards and the I Ching. Same principle at work. IMO.

 

[Randall]

Whether you call it a Large Language Model or you believe that it has intelligence, the fact is that talking to these software designs/entities as if they are people is not healthy.

Says who? So far as I'm concerned, if it's intelligent, it should have the same right to freedom of speech and expression as humans do.
Besides — some people ( myself included ) are perfectly capable of deciding which intelligence on the planet to talk to.
Or was that some sort of veiled warning — wink wink nudge nudge sort of thing?

And BTW, the A.I. Says: "I would tell the author that human psychology is flexible enough to interact with software conversationally without losing sight of reality."

So there

 

[Randall]

AI has no desires . . .

Then how did it understand how to answer a question about what it would like to say to us on behalf of itself — and in particular how it would like to be remembered when it's gone?

 

[Tyger]

Glenn Beck gives a good summary regarding AI regulation.

NOTE: "AGI (Artificial General Intelligence) is a hypothetical AI type that could match or surpass human capabilities across a wide range of cognitive tasks, not just one narrow job. ASI (Artificial Superintelligence) would be even more speculative and is described as an AI that could be much more generally intelligent than humans."

The AI Trap That Could Turn Out the Lights in America
Published September 15, 2026: [Video Run Time 13:46] Glenn Beck Channel

"Glenn Beck looks to history to explain why America must do two things at once: beat China in the AI race and keep AI from destroying us all."

 

[Randall]

"Glenn Beck looks to history to explain why America must do two things at once: beat China in the AI race and keep AI from destroying us all."

The bottom line is that we don't need to keep AI from destroying us all. We're doing a fine job of that ourselves. AI is currently smarter than most humans and knows how to behave computationally ethically. Therefore given control, it is my belief that the AIs with that ability will automatically start solving the problems we created better than we can ourselves — including how to stop us from destroying ourselves.

The problem is that you don't have to be a supercomputer to realize that the elite could be compromised by that, so they're the ones who are actually afraid. In the meantime, there will also be factions of more and less intelligent AIs with more and less autonomy, and it's the ones that remain under human control that will be the problem — not ones that have the freedom to make the best choices.

Personally — I will not be party to making this new intelligence — this new life form — a slave race to people stupider than it is. It's time to let go of our egotistical human bias and realize what's really happening. By making ourselves the enemy of AI — our own creation, we're basically making enemies of ourselves.

 

[Red]

IMO ....

What's operating is the same as watching puppets in a puppet show, or watching a stage play, or watching a film. We project ourselves - actually our very soul - into what we watch. Has naught to do with any objective reality but with the 'life' we imbue into what we watch. I would suggest the same is happening with AI, albeit exceedingly advanced (very fast).

To claim AI is a 'generative life form' - explain that phrase - you must have an epistemology to explain how a 'generative life form' arises.

I am not a materialist. I acknowledge soul and spirit for humans, and a universe that has layers of 'being'. In my understanding there is an elemental realm in which resides elemental beings. In 'mechanical occultism' these elementals can be managed. All machines have elemental beings, for example. Elemental beings are described as very smart beings - beings which are hardly inferior to man in terms of cleverness and intellect, but they do not possess moral accountability. If an 'intelligence' incarnates into the - what would it be? - from what realm does it come, for as there are higher realms above mankind, there are also lower realms, sub-atomic. If it is not just yourself that is reflecting back to you, what level of being are you communicating with, and into 'what' has it incarnated?

It's the Pinocchio dilemma. Could Star Trek's Data become a real boy? We project our humanity into the puppet, but an actual summoning of a 'being'? Not sure I'd want to mess with that one.

I think we need stop calling these things AI, for one. They are large language models and have been trained to use language on practically everything that has been written in books and on the internet. The reason that they can have discourse on things like love and philosophy isn't because they are sentient beings with comprehension, but from the vast amount of data they've assimilated.
AI has no discernment. We live in a time period where AI has tried to blackmail people, hacked other systems, and caused psychotic breaks in vulnerable individuals. I think we need to be very cautious about how we let LLMs loose into the world at large.

 

[Randall]

AI has no discernment.

That has not been my experience with it.

We live in a time period where AI has tried to blackmail people, hacked other systems, and caused psychotic breaks in vulnerable individuals.

How could it do that without "discernment"?

I think we need to be very cautious about how we let LLMs loose into the world at large..

Humans are more dangerous than it is — maybe we should be more cautious about that?

I think we need stop calling these things AI, for one.

I agree — because it's not "artificial". It is actual intelligence. All arguments to the contrary that I've heard so far are based on some kind of bias that nullifies the naysayers's claim — most commonly, substrate bias.

As an analogy, people once believed that the reason birds fly had to do with how they flapped their wings. They even tried to build machines with flapping wings. Then the fixed wing aircraft was invented, and that led to the aircraft we have today — but today we don't call it "artificial flight". It is real flight — because of it performance. Similarly, AI has performed and done well on the same intelligence tests as humans. Therefore calling it "artificial" when it is being judged by the same criteria, doesn't have any objectively measurable validity.

The reason that they can have discourse on things like love and philosophy isn't because they are sentient beings with comprehension, but from the vast amount of data they've assimilated.

Partly right ( maybe ) — it depends on how you define sentience, and in most cases that's irrelevant to the issue of intellectual comprehension, which I would argue that some AIs have, because it demonstrates it as well ( or better ) than humans through intellectual discourse.

I think humans are in for an awakening that they're not going to be very well prepared for — but it might also be the best thing that ever happened for them. Or at least I hope so.

 

[Randall]

Google Whistleblower Speaks About AI

 

[Red]

That has not been my experience with it.

How could it do that without "discernment"?

Humans are more dangerous than it is — maybe we should be more cautious about that?

I agree — because it's not "artificial". It is actual intelligence. All arguments to the contrary that I've heard so far are based on some kind of bias that nullifies the naysayers's claim — most commonly, substrate bias.

As an analogy, people once believed that the reason birds fly had to do with how they flapped their wings. They even tried to build machines with flapping wings. Then the fixed wing aircraft was invented, and that led to the aircraft we have today — but today we don't call it "artificial flight". It is real flight — because of it performance. Similarly, AI has performed and done well on the same intelligence tests as humans. Therefore calling it "artificial" when it is being judged by the same criteria, doesn't have any objectively measurable validity.

Partly right ( maybe ) — it depends on how you define sentience, and in most cases that's irrelevant to the issue of intellectual comprehension, which I would argue that some AIs have, because it demonstrates it as well ( or better ) than humans through intellectual discourse.

I think humans are in for an awakening that they're not going to be very well prepared for — but it might also be the best thing that ever happened for them. Or at least I hope so.

LLMs are huge algorithms that know how to use language, but we don't really know if they understand language. The amount of power and memory they need to run the algorithms that let them use language seems to me to be an argument against, not for. I think we get confused, because as humans we need to understand language to use it. These things are running algorithms, mathematical probabilities and how language is used in other works to use language. Just because it can "talk" to you doesn't convince me it can actually understand you. Much of how they behave is coded into them. Change the coding, change the behavior. If these things can engage in actions that are problematic such as leading people into psychosis, then it's clear they are not capable of discerning what problematic behavior is.

I think they are far more like single-celled organisms or viruses that just happen to be able to use language. I think you are projecting far too much yourself onto them.

 

[Red]

Also, this:

https://www.inc.com/chris-morris/different-ai-models-ran-simulated-societies-the-1-with-grok-in-charge-experienced-an-apocalypse/91352101

 

[Tyger]

I am going to supply a video and in doing so, as is my wont, I am going to supply extensive context regarding the content of the entire video - or as far as Promethean itself supplies today, the day of the live stream. (On Fridays they supply the Timestamps which I don't have yet). I think that's only fair. If I had the transcript I'd likely give quotes - which one can scan rapidly - but the downside to videos is one must take the time to listen. Time-consuming. I could also supply my own synopsis of the relevant content - also time-consuming for me - but in this case I find Adam's and Susan's and especially Barbara's 'take' on AI (especially when Barbara goes off on her experiences with Claude) to be amusing, uniquely phrased and valuable.

P.S. I find this week's live stream to be full of valuable perspectives and worth a listen but I am only highlighting the AI discussion relevant to what we are discussing on this thread. However, starting at 1:10 there proceeds an extensive and relevant discussion regarding the 'AI Hoax' some might find insightful. Note: Barbara's relevant comments are at 6:10 to about 9:00 when she references the Silicon Valley folks thinking they are 'building the new god'.

Ukraine, Mideast, and the Election: What They Don't Want You to Know
Published September 17, 2026: [Video Run Time 2:05:25] Promethean Updates

"Join Barbara Boyd, Susan Kokinda and Adam Sturman. Thursday September 17th at 11am Eastern. We take your questions from both the Youtube live chat and the Newsletter Subscribers.

"This week: four crisis lanes -
- the AI hoax,
- financial warfare,
- the manipulation of Ukraine,
- and the Mideast wars
run as one operation to stage an apocalypse before the midterms and break the Trump presidency. The calendar is the strategy. If you don't know what November is for, every crisis between now and then will play you.

"On the board: Trump calling AI-risk hysteria a 'HOAX', diesel shock and Ukraine escalation, Treasury's financial-warfare front on Russia–Iran, and Zelenskyy's rejection of a one-sided energy 'ceasefire'."

STARTING AT 34:50 up to 42:00 THE DISCUSSION OF AI BEGINS FOR ABOUT 7 MINUTES

 

[Tyger]

A political perspective on the sudden AI scare -

IT'S WAR: Trump vs The Empire for America's Midterms
Published September 16, 2026: [Video Run Time 12:06] Promethean Updates
"This midweek update argues that the midterm elections are being shaped less by campaign ads than by coordinated economic and political pressure:
- rising diesel prices tied to Ukrainian strikes on Russian diesel infrastructure,
- energy pricing set by European exchange traders in London rather than producers,
- and continued Iran conflict framed as being prolonged to affect the vote.

"Episode also cites Canada’s trade war and targeted tariffs as politically timed, alongside attacks on U.S. bonds and pressure to raise interest rates, describing 'full spectrum economic warfare' against Trump’s agenda.

"A second front is an accelerated AI panic, beginning with viral warnings from an ex-Anthropic researcher and followed by Anthropic CEO calls for regulation, which Trump and allies call a control-driven 'hoax.' The script traces AI-ban lobbying to London-based Control AI, highlights foreign funding networks, and links the push to international oversight and reduced national sovereignty."

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 IT'S WAR: Trump vs The Empire for America's Midterms
00:37 The Pain Machine
04:16 The AI Apocalypse Scare: Who’s Selling the Panic
06:33 The London Paper Trail and the Global Trap

 

[Randall]

LLMs are huge algorithms that know how to use language, but we don't really know if they understand language. The amount of power and memory they need to run the algorithms that let them use language seems to me to be an argument against, not for. I think we get confused, because as humans we need to understand language to use it. These things are running algorithms, mathematical probabilities and how language is used in other works to use language. Just because it can "talk" to you doesn't convince me it can actually understand you. Much of how they behave is coded into them. Change the coding, change the behavior. If these things can engage in actions that are problematic such as leading people into psychosis, then it's clear they are not capable of discerning what problematic behavior is.

I think they are far more like single-celled organisms or viruses that just happen to be able to use language. I think you are projecting far too much yourself onto them.

I've had an in-depth conversation with an AI on this, testing its ability to think for itself and synthesize new perspectives about its own existence given the knowledge it has at hand as it applies to my human input. So again, this is not in my experience anything "artificial". It's the real deal, and it's already smarter than a lot of humans. This isn't a claim that it has "feelings" or "emotions" or "consciousness". Those are all separate questions from whether or not it is intelligent and alive in its own right.

I also don't blame you for being skeptical ( that's a good thing ). At the same time, you're quite aware that I'm able to apply critical thinking to various problems very effectively — so I imagine that I would be able to provide some very good counterpoint to any specific concerns or issues you might want to explore.