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2012 Maya Prophecy Bullshit

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jratcliff

jratcliff

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As many of you on this forum may have already noticed, the New Age / Paranormal section of your local bookstore these days is over-flowing with books about 2012.

Every single one of these books makes reference to 'Ancient Mayan Prophecies'. I have just one question. Can anyone name even a single Mayan prophecy dating back to the time of their culture (not some 'Shaman' selling trinkets by the roadside or New Age guru channeling nonsense)??

To my knowledge not a single Mayan 'prophecy' exists. Not one. Yes, there is a calendar, and that calendar does in fact roll over. But, a calendar in and of itself is *not* a prophecy.

I've done a fair amount of research into this and I have yet to find a single truly ancient 'prophecy' regarding 2012; no matter how many books keep stacking up at Barnes and Knoble.

Now, that is not to suggest that if there were a prophecy it would mean a damned thing. History is littered with prophecies that are incorrect time and time again; but that doesn't keep people from trying to recycle them like a tea bag dunked just one too many times.

My ancient Mayan prophecy remains intact. As a Shaman myself (I am qualified as a Mayan Shaman because I said I am), I can assure you that nothing in particular is going to happen in 2012 with the exception of whatever the heck is going on the world at that time which will then, of course, be interpreted as if it fit.

Only two things really, really, annoy me about New Agers these days. 2012 'prophecies' that are not based on actual prophesies and self-absorbed hippies who call their snot nosed kids 'Indigo Children' so they can make themselves feel there is something special about their puny progeny.

John
 
jratcliff, that was awesome. I just LOL'd my coffee....and that's saying something because I never use the term LOL.

I wonder if people like Marshall Masters will finally get the hint and fuck off in 2013. I assume they'll simply sell another book offering their opinions as to why:

a) Nothing happened
b) Something is still going to happen...eventually
c) Ancient cave painting out dating the Maya have a more accurate date
d) They can retire early due to their retirement fund now hitting it's peak

I agree with AnetteMarie though. I'm also going to see this movie. As much as I won't want to, I simply cannot resist it's disaster porn.

I will most likely be removed from the theatre if I hear anyone mutter something remotely close to "this film is based on facts and historical events". I'll finish my choc-top first before I start the rampage.
 
My most favorite 2012 bit is the oft-repeated reminder that the Mayan calendar "ends abruptly" on the winter solstice in 2012. Is there some other way a calendar ends? Do they sometimes miss a day here, an afternoon there, and pretty soon whole weeks are missing? Then after a while a month or two go somewhere? Pretty soon the calendar doesn't show up at all?

The Mayan calendar is a stunning achievement, and it should be studied for what it can tell us about the development of civilization. Maybe that will happen after 2012.
 
Double Nought Spy said:
My most favorite 2012 bit is the oft-repeated reminder that the Mayan calendar "ends abruptly" on the winter solstice in 2012. Is there some other way a calendar ends? Do they sometimes miss a day here, an afternoon there, and pretty soon whole weeks are missing? Then after a while a month or two go somewhere? Pretty soon the calendar doesn't show up at all?

The Mayan calendar is a stunning achievement, and it should be studied for what it can tell us about the development of civilization. Maybe that will happen after 2012.
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Yeah that theory makes me smile as I grind my teeth in frustration. I also love the theory of galactic alignment on 2012. Neil Tyson puts it best...

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We can't trust Neil Tyson. He's a paid disinfo agent of the NWO and Illuminati.
 
Jose Collado said:
Yeah that theory makes me smile as I grind my teeth in frustration. I also love the theory of galactic alignment on 2012. Neil Tyson puts it best...

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We can't trust Neil Tyson. He's a paid disinfo agent of the NWO and Illuminati.
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Shit, Tyson said nothing is going to happen on 2012, and this is the same person, who has commented about "UFO's" and was brainless about the topic from my point of view. Something is bound to happen now:eek:
 
As far as the prophecy thing goes doesn't one of the codexes reveal that Kukulcan will return?? It's not definitive whether he was an actual person or not, but as far as predicting something I remember this vaguely.

The 2012 thing is baloney, a perversion of everything the Mayan actually accomplished, which was a lot. I hate when people take some piece of history, turn it completely inside out, and try and profit from it. It's deplorable.

But here's what will probably happen. Something of interest will happen near that time. Like say a meteorite, or an eruption, or hurricane, or tsunami, or the lizard flu. You know, stuff that happens pretty often. This will then become the poster child for 2012, like it's some event that happened because of the odometer turning over. And they will all say "Told you so". And I'll say, "great, you're right!! Are you fucking done now??"

Then again Yellowstone might blow in a terribly timed coincidence.
 
Irishseekers said:
You can have all the brains and information in the world, but if you lack common sense and logic, then you can be closer to Brainless than you think.
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I assume you're talking about Neil Tyson? In which case, common sense and logic is something he's well accustomed to. Simply because you assume he's stated a stance on UFO's doesn't make him brainless or lacking common sense and logic. That's just absurd.
 
Jose Collado said:
I assume you're talking about Neil Tyson? In which case, common sense and logic is something he's well accustomed to. Simply because you assume he's stated a stance on UFO's doesn't make him brainless or lacking common sense and logic. That's just absurd.
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If you look at the facts of UFOs, do the research... You will find that UFOs are indeed real ... which Tyson does not believe, yet, he comments in a public place with people "on a question", from an audience member, with half Arse comments about people seeing lights and mistaken them for UFOs, and claiming people don't make a good witness as regards to evidence. That shit annoys me. Let us all now shut up shop , and never comment on anything about this topic again.Everything we see, is just an illusion of our eyes and brain, really, come on!!

I Wonder what kind of answer, would you get if you asked him about the Bible, God and Jesus? I be interested to see his opinion of those topics? logic is telling me,UFO'S are real, Don't take my word for it , look at the evidence for God sake. Common sense will tell you, even if one case is real, then you have something real not imagined. Tyson needs to stop commenting on a subject, he obviously has not got a clue to. Tyson should not have given an answer, just say "No" comment, or maybe, he should have said, i have no interest in the topic, I don' believe it is real. I would accept that as an answer.
 
Irishseekers said:
If you look at the facts of UFOs, do the research... You will find that UFOs are indeed real ... which Tyson does not believe, yet, he comments in a public place with people "on a question", from an audience member, with half Arse comments about people seeing lights and mistaken them for UFOs, and claiming people don't make a good witness as regards to evidence. That shit annoys me. Let us all now shut up shop , and never comment on anything about this topic again.Everything we see, is just an illusion of our eyes and brain, really, come on!!

I Wonder what kind of answer, would you get if you asked him about the Bible, God and Jesus? I be interested to see his opinion of those topics? logic is telling me,UFO'S are real, Don't take my word for it , look at the evidence for God sake. Common sense will tell you, even if one case is real, then you have something real not imagined. Tyson needs to stop commenting on a subject, he obviously has not got a clue to. Tyson should not have given an answer, just say "No" comment, or maybe, he should have said, i have no interest in the topic, I don' believe it is real. I would accept that as an answer.
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Regardless of whether people believe there are facts or not, no one has delivered a UFO on a platter. That is one commonly and conveniently overlooked fact. His belief does not stand as an argument of lacking intellect or logic. That is just silly. Does he believe in UFO's? Who cares. He never states they don't exist. You simply assume that is his stance.

What evidence? What common sense? Do UFO's exist? Who knows? Who's to say they do or don't? You? Me?

Tyson is just as authorised to speak on the UFO subject as anyone. Want to know why? Because to date, no one knows what UFO's are (apart from being UNIDENTIFIED) so technically his comments are as relevant as they people who claim UFO's do/don't exist. His statement was basically "No one knows" and "I don't believe". So what's the problem with that? Firstly, no one knows and secondly, belief and facts are two different things. Now if he'd have said "UFO's don't exist", then I'd personally have an issue with that because to state they don't exist requires you to produce evidence they don't exist. He never stated that and it's a common misconception from the UFO crowd to label people who aren't entirely convinced as stupid or brainless. That is just fucked up.

His belief in goD, Jesus, Mohammed, Shiva, the easter bunny, santa claus etc etc is not a valid argument. Not for him, me, you or anyone else.

Now you stated he's brainless and lacks logic and that's your opinion. You're entitled to it. So is he.

I do believe in UFO's. Not because I've seen one, been exposed to a mountain of evidence or have "common sense". No, simply because, hey, why the hell not. It's an uncharted galaxy.

Enjoy
 
Firstly I'm not buying into the "2012 disaster/end of the world/the aliens are coming/jesus is coming out of retirement" scenario.
Neil Tyson is, indeed, entitled to his opinions on 2012 and UFO's as is anyone.
The problem with Neil Tyson is the way he presents his opinion. He comes across as a frustrated stand up comic (a bit like Penn Gillette) trying to reduce every topic he believes is crap to comedic nonsense which, after a time becomes tiresome and lame and makes him look like a buffoon rather than a serious astronomer or whatever he is.
As it is the 2012 proponents give him plenty of material to work with but as for his comments on UFO's he, like many, prefers to reduce the subject to a giggling, snickering side show having absolutely no interest in entertaining any idea that UFO's exist because he simply has no belief in the subject therefore they don't exist.
Ask anyone who has seen a daylight sighting of a structured unidentified flying object with multiple attending witnesses what Neil deGrasse Tyson's opinions mean to them and they will probably reply "Neil who?"
In other words his opinions and beliefs become irrelevant to the true research that is going on and just another unnecessary side track.
Apparently the vast majority of the public in most english speaking countries believe in the possible existence of aliens or UFOs it's just that they don't give a shit about taking their interest any further which kind of puts Neil and his ilk in the minority.
 
The Pair of Cats said:
The problem with Neil Tyson is the way he presents his opinion. He comes across as a frustrated stand up comic
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I'm sure anyone who works in astrophysics related fields would come across the same way. How many times can you be subjected to bullshit before you're frustrated. Even the people who research UFO's are frustrated with bunk. I assume Neil Tyson is no different. Seems there's always someone in his audience who wants to ask a question about 2012 or UFO's. The frustrating thing is, he doesn't appear in anything that is related to either. So why do people keep asking? Of course the man is frustrated and responds the way he does. And so what if he does? He's never associated himself with the UFO scene. Ever.

Read this article and then tell me you still feel the same way. Neil's Article <----- No seriously, read this.

To quote him directly "To declare that Earth must be the only planet in the Universe with life would be inexcusably egocentric of us."

Still sound like someone who is brainless and lacks logic?

The Pair of Cats said:
Apparently the vast majority of the public in most english speaking countries believe in the possible existence of aliens or UFOs it's just that they don't give a shit about taking their interest any further which kind of puts Neil and his ilk in the minority.
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Read his article first...then discuss his belief of the existence of life outside of Earth. Seems the only reference people have is the YouTube video of him responding to stupid UFO questions. He's an astrophysicist. How many astrophysicists do we have lingering here talking about UFO's? Yes, I'd say that makes him a minority but a majority clearly does not strengthen an argument as correct especially when no one has bothered to read any of his material.

Taking his interest further. Eh...no. Again, his interest is astrophysics, not UFO's. Which is why he responds to UFO questions the way he does. That's like attacking me for not being interested in Gardening whilst I work as a designer. Or asking me questions about fertilizer whilst I'm appearing at a design conference. You can ask him all the UFO questions under the sun the day he appears at a UFO conference. Don't hold your breath though. I won't be attending the Melbourne Gardening Expo either. Oh I'm such a bastard!

And finally....the final paragraph in that link...

"The discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence, if and when it happens, will impart a change in human self-perception that may be impossible to anticipate. If we don’t soon find life elsewhere, what will matter most is that we had not stopped looking. Our species demands that we keep looking. Deep in our souls, we are intellectually curious nomads— we search for other places and other life forms because we derive almost as much fulfillment from the search as we do from the discovery. "

Still sound like someone who doesn't give a shit?
 
Originally Posted by The Pair of Cats..
The problem with Neil Tyson is the way he presents his opinion. He comes across as a frustrated stand up comic
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I stand by my comment (above) which you have kindly quoted.
Unfortunately for Neil he has been represented by the remarks he made in a previous YouTube posting provided by another forumerion (to quote Frank Warren). And while he may be frustrated by the constant questioning re: UFOs/Aliens etc. his remarks and the way he presented them still stand. I agree, people should stop asking him these questions as he clearly does not have the answers for them.
In the end, who cares what he thinks or how he presents his opinions, they are irrelevant. Every one is entitled to their opinion and to express it including Neil but his is just one in a thousand either for or against.
Just because an astrophysicist expresses an opinion one way or another means absolutely nada.It is is no more enlightening or relevant than yours or mine.

And for the record i never said ,or agree, that Neil Tyson is "brainless and lacks logic". he obviously is a very intelligent man but even those so endowed can come across like arseholes occasionally.

Originally Posted by Jose Collado...
"Still sound like someone who doesn't give a shit?"
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Apparently the way he presents his "opinions" about lights in the sky, on occasions, says he doesn't.
 
Jose.
I have read the article by Neil Tyson in "UFO Evidence".

He starts the article referring to the "discovery of what is now more than seventy planets around stars other than the Sun" and how he is constantly asked the questions "Are we alone?" and "What is our place in the Universe?" (although it seems he would rather be asked about black holes or the big bang theory.
He goes on to mention the fact that there are compelling arguments to suggest we are not alone (citing the opinions of others before him including Copernicus and the Copernican principle..."in the absence of dogma and data, history tells us that it is prudent to be guided by the notion that we are not special.")

"At the moment, life on Earth is the only known life in the Universe, but there are compelling arguments to suggest we are not alone. Indeed, most astrophysicists accept a high probability of there being life elsewhere. If the count of planets in our solar system is not unusual, then there are more planets in the Universe than the sum of all sounds and words ever uttered by every human who has ever lived. The numbers are, well, astronomical.To declare that Earth must be the only planet in the Universe with life would be inexcusably egocentric of us!"

All standard stuff that we have heard many times before.

He then gives us an injection of the "Hollywood Factor" saying that he is somewhat disappointed at the lack of diversity in aliens depicted by Hollywood and the "industry’s lack of creativity" saying that with few exceptions the creartures depicted were essentially humanoid.

Fair enough I suppose but hardly surprising since Hollywood isn't known for it's faithful attention to reality.

Where he really veers into his narrowminded opinion is when he suggests that if aliens were going to contact us it would be via radio waves. (really just parroting the CSETI approach)

"But if intelligent alien civilizations do exist, and if they share our desire to communicate through the vast distances of interstellar space, then radio waves would be the communication band of choice."

Really? Of course that is possible but it also excludes many other forms of communication. And who says aliens would want to communicate anyway? Or for that matter haven't already? the comment seems to show a rather narrow view of possibilities.
Then there is this also narrow minded comment..

"More depressingly put, for most of human history, had aliens tried to send radio signals to earthlings we would have been incapable of receiving them. For all we know, the aliens have already done this and unwittingly concluded that there was no intelligent life on Earth. They would now be looking elsewhere."

(All the more reason you would want to explore the universe by physical methods such as in structured craft.)

Although what he says next is probably more to the point but one would think that a suitably advanced civilisation would have chosen to do this before any contact was initiated..

"A more humbling possibility would be if aliens had become aware of the technologically proficient species that now inhabits Earth, yet they had drawn the same conclusion!"

All in all it seems that he has no problem with the possibility of planets with alien civilisations humanoid or otherwise but discounts physical visitations from such in favor of their communications to be in the form of Radio Waves.

"If we consider the possibility that we may rank as primitive among the Universe’s technologically competent life forms -- however rare they may be -- then the best we can do is keep alert for signals sent by others because it is far more expensive to send rather than receive them. Presumably, an advanced civilization would have easy access to an abundant source of energy. These are the civilizations that would be more likely to send rather than receive signals."

He is, of course, entitled to all of these opinions and they all make great sense having a firm foundation in reality and common sense. They also show a touch of narrow mindedness which is what you would expect from someone who is expressing their opinion from a professional viewpoint and of course nothing and no evidence has been presented to him to prove the contrary.
He also does not mention the possibilty of interdimensional visits or communications not to mention the time travel aspects although i suppose he can only answer from an astrophysicist's position.
But I wonder how that might change if he walks outside tomorrow during the day, looks up and sees a huge structured unidentified craft hovering silently above his head only to disappear soundlessly seconds later as if by magic.
Many, many people have witnessed the above and had their worldview shattered by such events.
I suppose only the aforesaid event itself could serve to alter his opinion and like him.

Originally Posted by Jose Collado...
"Still sound like someone who doesn't give a shit?"
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No but he sounds like someone who doesn't give shit about anyone else's opinions be they valid or not.

As i have said before his opinion is nothing more than his opinion. Nothing world shattering or special about it. It can be safely filed away with the countless others that have been expressed on the subject from the informed and ill-informed alike.
 
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