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Thank you so much for being a voice of sanity in this discussion. I go bonkers over conspiracy theories that endanger the lives, freedoms and vitality of human beings. I find promoting this kind of ignorance to be despicable.

I forgot how exhausting it is to argue with believers of any religion, especially the anti-vaxxer cult. But I thought it was important at various points for readers of this forum to recognize that there is real science to counter all these bogus claims. You don't have to research too far to get to the truth of vaccines, medical history.and to see through the anti-vaxxer conspiracies.

That of course is one of the many signposts of a conspiracy, when those promoting it are among the few who apparently are in the know and have the real data and facts after digging down deep to uncover how big pharma has apparently been hoodwinking people and every single medical institution and doctor since 1796 when the first smallpox vaccine was created. That's right, there's 230 years of vaccines on planet earth and I am so thankful for medical science for keeping my children free from disease that could have killed them and specially my daughter's type 1 diabetes. Praise science! 🙏
Hey, I've got high risk family members as well. I know how high the stakes are in this. I know a family member's heart condition was brought on by a covid infection. I do feel that conspiracies like the anti-vaxxer movement are distractions promoted by influential people to mask what's really going on. They play on peoples' fears over "personal freedom," while they strip away our ability to govern ourselves and sell us out to the higher bidder. The thing that boggles my mind is that a certain members of a political party here peddled these conspiracy theories when their base were some of the most vulnerable in this country, while I can guarantee most of those same people got their jabs on the sly.

I mean I do have some issues on how things were done. There were members of the CDC who voted to add the chicken pox vaccine to the childhood schedule (if I recall correctly) that had a financial stake in the company or companies that were producing it, when they absolutely should have recused themselves. I also think we need to have a discussion about vaccine injury (something the CDC was never willing to have). I often think that CDC sometimes forgets that science can be very cold in the sense that the levels of vaccine injury are acceptable to them when compared to the rates of child and infant mortality that occurred prior to widespread vaccinations. And lord knows, that's cold comfort to a parent who has had a child injured from a vaccine. We know that genetics play a role in vaccine injury now, and I think a push to make vaccines even safer helps us all.
 
Uh, actually, I sit with the majority of good scientific history on planet earth and join in with the majority of people on planet earth who enjoy the use of vaccines in order to increase their life spans.
That's a new record for you. Threee fallacies in one — Argumentum ad populum, No True Scotsman, and appeal to authority.
That's why . . .
After the above, literally none of what you use them for to support your case — including the mockery I stripped out of your post, counts as valid counterpoint. Not to mention that the rest are simply claims that don't address any of the points I've mede in the past.
I hope you never get tetanus
I got a tetanus vax — not that I believe 100% that it would actually protect me anyway.
or shingles . . .
I've already had shingles — so I already have natural immunity.
. . . and that no one in your family and friend circle listens to your garbage science and then has a child or adult fall prey to a preventable disease.
And I hope none of my family ends-up injured ( or dead ) from a bad vax.
You are among the minority promoting a full blown conspiracy . . .
one that is very dangerous to the innocent lives of children specifically.

That's rich — Tell it to Jolene Moberly, a mother of three orphaned kids because she was killed by the COVID vax. Start looking at the overwhelming evidence of childhood vax injuries gathered by Children's Health Defense — tell it to the parents whose kids died from vax induced SIDS. Tell it to all the kids who were shut out of school during lockdowns. Tell it to the kids who were reduced into poverty because their parents lost their livelihoods due to lockdowns and mandates.

Israel Caught Concealing Children’s Vaccine Injuries​


Prof. Berkowitz’s team found that children in the 5-11-year age group had twice to four times as many adverse events following the Pfizer shot as children in the 12-17 age group. This doubling of vaccine injuries is, in itself, extremely disturbing — and should have been immediately brought to the attention of the nation’s parents.


As of early June 2022, the CDC and FDA report, via VAERS, that nearly 50,000 American children ( up to age 17 ) have suffered harm following a COVID shot. Incredibly, more than 7,500 kids have required hospitalization or an emergency room visit due to their jab-correlated injury.

The data also reveals that the vast majority ( 40,639 ) of these reported pediatric injuries occurred following the Pfizer mRNA jab. Another 9,170 injury reports were associated with the Moderna mRNA jab. Finally, the J&J shot was associated with 1,326 reported injuries.

Of the kids reported as injured to VAERS, 1,047 of them experienced either a life-threatening issue and/or have been left permanently disabled soon after receiving their shots. Another 125 children died.

This might not even be the whole horrible picture, either, once we take into consideration that only about 1 percent of all jab-related adverse events are ever actually reported, according to HHS. Furthermore, this data reflects what’s happening in the United States only. Who knows (and will we ever know?) how many more children across the globe are suffering?

So you were saying?

I really don't understand . . .
If you don't understand, then you're not trying hard enough.
I understand the arguments of those on the other side of the barricades, and give credit where credit is due.
. . . why someone who is fairly smart bothers to believe in any of this hogwash.
The word "Hogwash" is not valid counterpoint.
You obviously have reasons for hating the medical establishment.
I don't think I've ever experienced hate in my life ever.
All your talk about medical freedom is really about enslaving people with diseases we got rid of a long time ago.
The only ones trying to "enslave people with diseases" are the ones behind the creation of them in labs, letting them leak, and then literally locking down the world until people comply with their authoritarian dictates — lockdowns, vax, passes, quarantine camps, censorship, suspension of civil liberties, etc — or weren't you paying attention?
Good luck and btw:
The way the world is going — I'm not the only one who needs it.
 
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Final thoughts:

Big Pharma

And just as a final piece before I leave this thread altogether I want to be clear I am not a fan of big pharma, nor do I invest in anything the profiteers off of misery. If the pharmaceutical industry was not operating on capitalist principles it would afford poor countries discounts on inert vaccines so as not to cause further problems in areas of low vaccination and poor sanitation.

It would also make the very convenient type 1 diabetes injection pens available instead of pulling back on their production for poor nations in favour of making money off of Western world semaglutide injections. This forces young people to suddenly have to learn how to inject using hypodermic needles which is much more complicated and led to severe health issues in the type 1 populations in South Africa.

Polio

And because I realized that my discussion around the Polio drop off prior to the vaccine introduction was in a private message and not a public discussion I want to explain how the conspiracy BS works by making medical claims that have nothing to do with reality as Randall did above.

Polio is cyclical epidemic wave disease which means there is natural rising and falling because once it hits a peak it has fewer people to infect with natural immunity being established. You can see that in the graph above. Peaks are followed by natural declines but without real vaccination peaks keep getting higher every 2-3 years until the massive 1952 wave hit, devastating America.

One of the main reasons for decline was a huge social distancing effort that took place in America - just like with COVID, where parents pulled their kids from the play grounds and no one went out to restaurants or movie theatres, which helped in stoping the disease from finding new victims in 1953 and 1954.

However, once the vaccine came online everything changed. In 1954 vaccine trials started across North America (this is not recognized in Randall's graph at all because pseudo science likes to conveniently omit scientific realities in order to promote a conspiracy - and that's why it's pure hogwash) with 1.6 million kids receiving vaccination. This also helped in the decline of new cases. Once the successful trials were completed the vaccination went mainstream and polio was eliminated thanks to the vaccine and for no other reason. Polio didn't just mysteriously disappear on its own at all - it was the vaccine!

Research Vaccines and not Fake Science

You don't have to scratch the surface too far to see how mandatory core vaccines are essential requirements for travel, work in the military, to move across borders, to be a seafarer and it's just good common sense in countries around the world to keep children alive from birth onwards.

You don't have to go too far back in time in your local cemetery to see how pioneer families routinely would lose multiple children in their families to diseases that were later stopped by vaccines. Vaccines remain the single most important scientific discovery in the history of medicine. Don't let anyone tell you different. These are facts that stretch back over 230 years unlike the much more recent anti-vaccination movement which is based on scientific ignorance, false assumptions and usually tied to religious or fascist belief systems.
 
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Hey, I've got high risk family members as well. I know how high the stakes are in this. I know a family member's heart condition was brought on by a covid infection. I do feel that conspiracies like the anti-vaxxer movement are distractions promoted by influential people to mask what's really going on. They play on peoples' fears over "personal freedom," while they strip away our ability to govern ourselves and sell us out to the higher bidder. The thing that boggles my mind is that a certain members of a political party here peddled these conspiracy theories when their base were some of the most vulnerable in this country, while I can guarantee most of those same people got their jabs on the sly.

I mean I do have some issues on how things were done. There were members of the CDC who voted to add the chicken pox vaccine to the childhood schedule (if I recall correctly) that had a financial stake in the company or companies that were producing it, when they absolutely should have recused themselves. I also think we need to have a discussion about vaccine injury (something the CDC was never willing to have). I often think that CDC sometimes forgets that science can be very cold in the sense that the levels of vaccine injury are acceptable to them when compared to the rates of child and infant mortality that occurred prior to widespread vaccinations. And lord knows, that's cold comfort to a parent who has had a child injured from a vaccine. We know that genetics play a role in vaccine injury now, and I think a push to make vaccines even safer helps us all.
I agree with all of this. medical science can be miraculous and cold comfort at the same time. I definitely know that reality.

I would like to live in a world where vaccinations are 100% effective with no outlier cases causing disease or death.

As we move forward we are learning more and more what the complications are and how to avoid these. The human population is highly diverse and sometimes we use a blunt object to serve the masses which can cause serious problems for a minority. It's really all about cash. Generic screening is pretty pricey but we will get there in time.
 
I meant to say genetic screening up above. But we have so much difficulty managing health insurance and hospital services for core services in North america that screening like that will remain for the ultra wealthy only.
 
Final thoughts: And just as a final piece before I leave this thread altogether . . .
So far as I'm concerned — you're always welcome to speak your mind here.
I want to be clear I am not a fan of big pharma, nor do I invest in anything the profiteers off of misery. If the pharmaceutical industry was not operating on capitalist principles it would afford poor countries discounts on inert vaccines so as not to cause further problems in areas of low vaccination and poor sanitation.

It would also make the very convenient type 1 diabetes injection pens available instead of pulling back on their production for poor nations in favour of making money off of Western world semaglutide injections. This forces young people to suddenly have to learn how to inject using hypodermic needles which is much more complicated and led to severe health issues in the type 1 populations in South Africa.
Interesting that you mention diabetes — yet another vax-inducing condition.
Ask James Fox about his experience.
Polio

And because I realized that my discussion around the Polio drop off prior to the vaccine introduction was in a private message and not a public discussion I want to explain how the conspiracy BS works by making medical claims that have nothing to do with reality as Randall did above.

Polio is cyclical epidemic wave disease which means there is natural rising and falling because once it hits a peak it has fewer people to infect with natural immunity being established. You can see that in the graph above. Peaks are followed by natural declines but without real vaccination peaks keep getting higher every 2-3 years until the massive 1952 wave hit, devastating America.

One of the main reasons for decline was a huge social distancing effort that took place in America - just like with COVID, where parents pulled their kids from the play grounds and no one went out to restaurants or movie theatres, which helped in stoping the disease from finding new victims in 1953 and 1954.

However, once the vaccine came online everything changed. In 1954 vaccine trials started across North America (this is not recognized in Randall's graph at all because pseudo science likes to conveniently omit scientific realities in order to promote a conspiracy - and that's why it's pure hogwash) with 1.6 million kids receiving vaccination. This also helped in the decline of new cases. Once the successful trials were completed the vaccination went mainstream and polio was eliminated thanks to the vaccine and for no other reason. Polio didn't just mysteriously disappear on its own at all - it was the vaccine!
Your counterpoint leaves out other factors e.g.
  1. The deaths caused by the polio vax.
  2. All contributing factors to polio's decline prior to the vax
  3. The change in the definition of polio.
  4. The renewed outbreaks of polio caused by the vax in Africa
  5. The misdiagnosis of polio due to environmental contamination causing the same symptoms.
  6. The cases of poilio in other countries after the vax was introduced
  7. That based on the above — the trope that it was vaccines that wiped-out polio is demostrably false.
Research Vaccines and not Fake Science
That's not valid counterpoint. It's a loaded suggestion.
Besides that, I've already looked at the various claims and counterclaims.
I get science and can tell what's legit from what's not.
You don't have to scratch the surface . . .
Maybe that's your problem — you only scratched the surface.
You don't have to go too far back in time in your local cemetery to see how pioneer families routinely would lose multiple children in their families to diseases that were later stopped by vaccines.
Most of the decline in disease was cause by better living conditions including:
  • Better sewage
  • Better sanitation
  • Better nutrition
  • Less poverty
  • Better education
The claim that vaccines are the big savior of the world is as hollow as the Hollow Earth Theory.
Vaccines remain the single most important scientific discovery in the history of medicine.
I don't buy it anymore.
Over the last six years I've come to see the "vaccines are the most important scientific discovery" trope as yet another propagandist claim used to market one of the biggest medical scams in history.

I can also think of more important scientific discoveries applicable to medical science:
  • Microscopes
  • Sanitation
  • Nutrition
  • Antibiotics
  • DNA
  • Diagnostic imaging ( X-Ray, MRI, etc )
  • Anesthetics
  • Pain killers
  • Defibrillators
  • Insulin
  • Stem cells
IMO — injecting oneself with poison containing maybe dead pathogens belongs in the history books along with leaches and prefrontal lobotomies.
Don't let anyone tell you different.
I'll think for myself — thank you.
These are facts that stretch back over 230 years unlike the much more recent anti-vaccination movement which is based on scientific ignorance, false assumptions and usually tied to religious or fascist belief systems.
Those are proclamations, ( not facts ) — none of which hold-up under serious scrutiny.

Nor do they address my central position — that vaccine efficacy is beside the point when it comes to maintaining civil liberties and bodily autonomy in an increasingly authoritarian world. When governments, institutions, and employers start coercing people into complying with orders to inject themselves with ( anything ) — all other freedoms become redundant.

Therefore IMO, freedom from such tyranny is of the highest order — exempt from political or legal arguments, which makes any form of coersion to comply with mandates ( legal or otherwise ) an abuse of power that must be resisted. Disagreeing with that just puts oneself on the other side of the barricades with tyrants and dictators.
 
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Rewatched — Johnny Mnemonic
The precursor ( along with Dark City ) to The Matrix

From Data Courier to The One: How Johnny Mnemonic Shaped The Matrix

When the Wachowskis were pitching The Matrix to Warner Bros. executives in the late 1990s, they faced a wall of skepticism regarding their complex, high-concept cyberpunk narrative. To bridge the gap, they pointed directly to Robert Longo’s 1995 film Johnny Mnemonic. The Wachowskis essentially promised to fulfill the cinematic potential that the earlier film had missed. Rather than just inspiring The Matrix, Johnny Mnemonic served as a vital proof of concept, a visual blueprint, and a cautionary tale that allowed the Wachowskis to revolutionize sci-fi cinema.

The Negative Blueprint: Learning from Creative Failure

Johnny Mnemonic, based on William Gibson’s seminal short story, was plagued by studio interference that watered down its dark, counter-cultural core into a chaotic action vehicle. However, this failure provided the Wachowskis with a precise roadmap of what not to do.

Where Johnny Mnemonic faltered with exposition-heavy dialogue and campy pacing, the Wachowskis realized that cyberpunk philosophy required a disciplined, slow-burn revelation of its world. They took Gibson’s core concepts—which Johnny Mnemonic struggled to articulate—and grounded them in a tightly paced narrative where every piece of world-building served the action, and every action scene reinforced the philosophy.
 
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NOTE: It's interesting how the above article has been sanitized since I first came across it and the link to the original report is no longer available. This is a recurring theme as the PTB in the pharamaceutical industrial complex try to bury, memory hole, and cover-up their messes.
Yes, a lot of this going on. Now that we have the ability to interact with the 'AI' (for lack of a better term) we can see how 'off' the information on the internet really is, and how powerful big money is to be able to 'write the script' we imbibe. In the end I don't try to convince anyone of anything, I just present a way of seeing things that I think is interesting and let it rise or fall on its own merits.

The one thing I have become keenly aware of - and now recognize - is what is termed 'psyops'. Wild world.
 
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This is a very short video - just 1:20. I urge others on this thread to listen to it.

Indeed. Those terms are often used as part of DARVO ( Deny, Attack and Reverse Victim & Offender )

Coined by psychologist Dr. Jennifer Freyd, DARVO is a common manipulation and gaslighting strategy used to avoid accountability and shift blame. It was used extensively during the COVID Era, and is Fauci's favorite tactic. He's done it over and over and over again in the hearings. He's worn it out so much that now he just pleads the Fifth 🫢
 
Dawn Richardson is the Director of Advocacy for the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), an organization that frequently references and analyzes data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) and lobbies for state-level legislation to improve vaccine tracking, provide fully informed consent, and ensure exemptions.The video starts at around 36:40 ( it should start there automatically ).

Advocating For Mandating That Vax Records Be
Included In SIDS Autopsy Reports



Even the most hard-line vax-cult skeptics have to to admit that having mandatory tracking and disclosure of vax records is reasonable evidence to consider in autopsy investigations of SIDS cases — Right? Otherwise — what are they afraid of? Everybody is so "do it for the kids" — right? Or should big pharma get an exception because it might cause "vaccine hesitancy"? Give it up — that boat has already sailed. It's time to start prosecuting the actual criminals, instead of grieving parents !
 
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Moderna's new mRNA flu shot. Negatively effective. Package insert 92 pages long? Again no placebo trials. 73% had negative reactions.

MFLUSIVA
"A few more points to add from the 92 page FDA approval document (I was mistaken, the package insert wasn’t actually that long, so there’s less info and context available now if that makes you feel better.):
- they noted that creating a new mRNA vaccine was necessary because flu shot is not that effective (lol)
- significantly more side effects and deaths in the mRNA group
- their conditional approval for 65 and over is dependent on two studies that they need to perform with at least 800,000 sample size, meaning, they’re gonna push this hard on grandparents because they want that approval for Medicare." - Katie Collins PA-C


 

The Download With Jefferey Jaxsen
NEW VAX SCHEDULE, FAUCI’S PHONE, UFOS, 6G & A.I.



TRY TO SET YOUR TDS ASIDE WHILE WATCHING THIS
TRUMP IS ONLY IN THE FIRST PART
 
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Ch ch ch ch change$...

1979: fasting glucose over 140 makes you diabetic.
1997: lowered to 126.
Millions of new diabetics. Same blood.

1997: prediabetes starts at 110.
2003: lowered to 100.
A third of American adults, created by a footnote.

1984: high blood pressure is 160/95.
2017: lowered to 130/80.
American hypertension goes from 32 per cent of adults to 46. Thirty-one million new patients in a morning.

2001: the cholesterol target is 130.
2004: lowered to 100, and to 70 for the high risk.
Statin eligibility expands by millions.
Eight of the nine men who wrote that 2004 update were on the payroll of companies selling statins. They disclosed it only when forced.

1994: a WHO panel invents osteopenia. Bone that is not thin enough to break, given a name and a prescription. Half of older women qualify.

Nobody got sicker on any of those dates. A committee sat down and a number moved.
The threshold drops, the market widens, and the drug is already licensed and sitting in the warehouse.

Your grandfather was healthy at 145/92. You are ill at 132/81.

Nothing about the body has changed. Only the paperwork, and who profits from it.
 
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It's concert season so I've been very fortunate to go with my brother to see a lot of brilliant live music. Any chance I get to see Jack White I'm there and he was just in town with Angine De Poitrine - space aliens Klek and Khn who only speak in their alien language at concerts and in interviews. No one knows what the hell they are talking about, but they've taken the planet by storm. I'm not really a fan of their micro tonal music. But wow - do they have a cult following! People of all ages from 5 to 75 dress in their polka dot alien regalia at shows.
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However, Jack White still has his ongoing deal with Satan to be the best blues, live rock and roll.guitsr player on the planet. His band is insanely good and his ability to shred on a dime is unparalleled.

But, seeing Rush again was really a stellar treat - especially with seats so close to the stage. The last time I saw them I was in high school and now decades later here they are still phenomenally meticulous progressive rock musicians who are still capable of putting out a three hour show with just full on rhythmic genius.
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Many Rush fans are drummers because of Neil Peart's incredibly complex approach to running the time signatures and syncopation of this band. Anika Niles is more than up to the challenge, and I even saw a number of fans wearing an Anika shirt in the classic Rush font.

Only Bruce Springsteen played a longer show - we clocked him at 3.5 hours in length. But this show was just sheer fun and a great revisit of some music that really had me hoping through high school, but was just a little too complex for our band to master with enough quality for live jams.

If you get the chance to see them on tour it is well worth it. I doubt they'll be back again. We ran into people who were travelling from all over the world to see them. But if that's too pricey then go see Jack White - lovers of hard rock and blues will not be disappointed. One can only hope he will revive his Raconteurs band - best live band in the history of the genre.

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From Mark Mcdougall - "Breaking: Fauci's texts show he and other top officials feared the COVID shot was causing miscarriages and fetal abnormalities - while they told the public it was "safe."

Next week, Ottawa Police Trials Officer Chris Renwick will punish Detective Helen Grus - the one officer with the integrity to investigate a cluster of infant deaths that was triple the normal rate. Read those two sentences again. That is where we are.

On January 25, 2021, Fauci put it in writing: the "significant cytokines storm and fever" after the second dose "theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the 1st trimester." In the same chain, Dr. Vivek Murthy - then Biden's nominee for U.S. Surgeon General - raised concerns about the mRNA causing mutations in a developing fetus and called Fauci's warning "a really good point."

Nine days later, Fauci told the public there were "no red flags" for pregnant women.

Pregnant women had been excluded from the trials. They were injected with an experimental genetic product that should never have gone near an expectant mother. Babies died.
A year later in Ottawa, Detective Helen Grus's own squad brought her the numbers - infant deaths were running at triple the normal rate. She started asking the same question those men had asked each other in private. Of everyone who saw that data, only Grus acted. She was suspended for it.

Trials Officer Chris Renwick's decision to convict her of Discreditable Conduct was reprehensible and corrupt. He published his decision only after refusing to let the defence present expert medical, legal, and policing evidence that her suspicions were reasonable, and that she had both the authority and the duty to act as she did.

Every officer is entitled to a fair hearing and a meaningful opportunity to mount a full defence. Renwick would not allow it.

With that ruling to exclude expert evidence, every observer knew that Renwick had decided the verdict before day one of what would become the longest, most expensive disciplinary hearing in Canadian policing history.

His real legacy is in the same decision. Renwick ruled that police officers should seek permission before investigating "public officials" and in criminal cases with "political and societal ramifications."

Police must now ask permission before investigating the powerful.

Renwick shredded the founding principle of professional policing - the one Robert Peel built the modern force around in 1829: police serve the law impartially, free of improper political interference or control.


Canada's Supreme Court affirmed it in R. v. Campbell and Shirose - an officer investigating a crime "is not acting as a government functionary or as an agent of anybody." The Ipperwash Inquiry spent years underlining the same rule. Politicians do not direct investigations.
Trials Officer Renwick threw out 200 years of that tradition and bolted political control onto police operations.

Politics stopped a police investigation into a cluster of dead babies. Chris Renwick read the evidence, then buried it.


On August 18th, he hands down the punishment.

A few weeks later, the Allison Inquiry opens on Parliament Hill to examine COVID vaccine injuries and deaths.

Read Renwick's own words again. "Public officials." "Political and societal ramifications."

That is what Detective Helen Grus is being punished for. That is what every officer in this country now has to weigh before starting any investigation.

- Donald Best CA [on X]
 
@Randall I think we've hijacked this thread. I've been oblivious to that fact - but it just struck me with Burnt State's post so I've moved my recent Fauci/COVID/Vaccine posts over to the Fauci thread - 'Dear Diary'. I'll post over there going forward. 👍
 
@Randall I think we've hijacked this thread. I've been oblivious to that fact - but it just struck me with Burnt State's post so I've moved my recent Fauci/COVID/Vaccine posts over to the Fauci thread - 'Dear Diary'. I'll post over there going forward. 👍

No "hijacking" on my part. I'm posting what I actually watch and read. It's what I've been doing daily for the last 6 years. It's interesting how the UFO theme is creeping into COVID 1984 coverage. It seems that there's always a fringe element out there no matter what faction you're in. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to be an actual "normie" ( whatever that is ).
 
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No "hijacking" on my part. I'm posting what I actually watch and read. It's what I've been doing daily for the last 6 years. It's interesting how the UFO theme is creeping into COVID 1984 coverage. It seems that there's always a fringe element out there no matter what faction you're in. I can't even begin to imagine what it must be like to be an actual "normie" ( whatever that is ).
Okay, I see what you mean. I guess I could reason the same - this is what I'm reading these day, but still ... :)
 
Okay, I see what you mean. I guess I could reason the same - this is what I'm reading these day, but still ... :)
Hey — if the complainers actually posted more of the stuff they're into instead of complaining about other people, it would all be fine right? After all, I doubt they're keeping-up with all the latest Freedom Front news — right? I mean, who starts a thread to post whatever visitors are into on it — then complains about it when it's not what they agree with? Don't let them make you feel the slightest bit guilty. I think it's a fine thread for visitors to post whatever they're watching or reading. Right now I'm watching . . .

THE OCCUPATION OF THE AMERICAN MIND

 
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