The Legacy of Covid Vaccines

[Randall]

Fact-Check: Debunking the Top Myths Around Viral “Vaccine Study”​

October 13, 2025

DETROIT—Henry Ford Health condemns the spread of dangerous disinformation connected to a “documentary” that falsely claims our nationally recognized academic medical center and research institute suppressed a draft of a research study because of its results.

The purposeful twisting of information in the “documentary” poses a direct public threat. We implore anyone who comes across these myths to read the facts below.

MYTH #1: “The study proves vaccinated children are 2.5x more likely to develop chronic health conditions than unvaccinated children.”

FACT: This draft did not prove anything. The very first internal review revealed serious flaws in the data and methodology, and the paper was abandoned. Anyone who conducts public health research would agree that comparing vastly different sample sizes over different time periods with inconsistent demographic foundations is problematic.

MYTH #2: “The study wasn’t published due to political reasons – or because of its results.”

FACT: The draft wasn’t submitted for publication or shared with the public because the data and analyses were flawed, and it’s irresponsible to share scientifically flawed studies with the public.

MYTH #3: “The study was hidden from the public.”

FACT: Reputable academic medical research institutions like Henry Ford Health subject research papers to stringent, internal, and scientific scrutiny that often points out issues with data, methodology or other flaws. It’s rare that a paper makes it to the scientific journal submission phase, and even rarer that papers get published. This wasn’t hidden; it was simply rejected for scientific lapses.

MYTH #4: “This is the ‘most important vaccine study ever.’”

FACT: Dr. Jake Scott, an infectious disease physician from Stanford who testified on Capitol Hill, wrote “…this flawed analysis reveals how thoroughly political theater has replaced scientific literacy in our public discourse.” The first internal reviewers determined the paper wasn’t scientifically sound—and it never made it past draft status.

MYTH #5: “The ‘documentary’ proves the health system is withholding the study.”

FACT: The film proved nothing except that we have rigorous scientific standards in place for a reason: to ensure the only studies we submit for publication come from research rooted in sound, infallible data that have passed our stringent review processes. We do not bend to pressure from those with special interests and will never compromise the standards that have helped make us a world-renowned academic medical research institution. Read more on our perspective in this Detroit Free Press article.


© 2026 Henry Ford Health

Those are all proclamations that are irrellevant to the substance of the actual study. You'd know this if you had been following that case and the bigger picture. Any study or physician that dares go-up against big pharma get smeared and criticized — whether what they say is true or not. I do however give you credit for quoting bad counterpoint by someone else though.

Watch and learn . . .

 

[Burnt State]

Those are all proclamations that are irrellevant to the substance of the actual study. You'd know this if you had been following that case and the bigger picture. Any study or physician that dares go-up against big pharma get smeared and criticized — whether what they say is true or not. I do however give you credit for quoting bad counterpoint by someone else though.

Watch and learn . . .

The people who drafted the study are responding to it directly and pointing out why it stayed in draft form. You really don't like facts when they contravene your already made up mind. It was Henry Ford Health who created the draft and ditched it. they are being scientifically responsible in debunking the myths promoted by anti vaxxers who are using a flawed study as truth.

Still waiting on the James Fox article.....pretty sure you meant to say Jamie Foxx..

 

[Burnt State]

The financial legacy of the COVID Vaccine

Direct Medical and Healthcare Cost Savings

• United States: The national vaccination program saved more than $1 trillion in direct medical and hospitalization costs in its first two years alone.
• Canada: Economic evaluations show vaccination programs yielded net societal and medical benefits worth roughly $298 billion, driven primarily by preventing premature deaths and severe illness.
• Hospital Bed-Days: Studies from groups like the C.D. Howe Institute noted that Canadian vaccination campaigns reduced expected hospitalizations by 37% and saved billions in direct healthcare treatment costs. Local analyses (such as in Alberta) demonstrated that higher booster uptake averted tens of thousands of hospital bed-days and over $100 million in acute care costs.

Societal and Economic Productivity Value

• Global Return on Investment: Worldwide, spending roughly $79 billion on vaccine development and delivery generated between $5 trillion and $38 trillion in economic and health value in the first year alone—a return of $60 to $475 for every dollar spent.
• Gross Domestic Product (GDP): Avoiding a delayed vaccine rollout and preventing the continuation of strict economic lockdowns preserved trillions in global economic activity and national GDP.
• Averted Work Absenteeism: Vaccinations prevented millions of cases of acute illness and long-term debility (such as long COVID), drastically reducing missed workdays and stabilizing the labor force.

Waiting for Randall to call this all big Pharma propaganda .....and the countries around the world who increased childhood mortality and kept workers alive through vaccination is also apparently not real math but propaganda.

 

[Randall]

The people who drafted the study are responding to it directly and pointing out why it stayed in draft form.

The actual author is caught on hidden camera in the film — that you obviously didn't watch. As usual, I've gone way deeper than you have into the actual story to get at the actual truth — not public relations statements made by institutions with huge conflicts of interest.

 

[Tyger]

The problem with all you vaccine deniers

Because one questions one particular vaccine does not make one "all you vaccine deniers". I took the Shingles vaccine - before covid - I have since heard cautions that every vaccine now since 2020 has 'stuff' in them that you don't want injected. Not sure what to think of that.

If I ever get bit by a rabid dog I'll submit to the injection protocol, etc. Because I question the mRNA does not make me anti-vax.

All that said, there are substantial reasons to be very leery of current-day medical science, especially research standards.

 

[Randall]

Miscarriages of Justice​

 

[Burnt State]

The actual author is caught on hidden camera in the film — that you obviously didn't watch. As usual, I've gone way deeper than you have into the actual story to get at the actual truth — not public relations statements made by institutions with huge conflicts of interest.

Dr. Zervos has not supported the study, did not contradict Henry Ford Health, did not try to publish the paper independently, did not show up at Senate hearings to support the paper and has completely distanced himself from it.

The debunked myths stand as facts against the disinformation movie and demonstrate the willingness of people to believe in flawed evidence, flawed studies and flawed math to.promote lies about vaccination.

Are you saying the Health Center is wrong in their conclusions not to publish the flawed paper?

Where all the other hundred papers that coroborate these findings?

Where is the James Fox Type 1 diabetes article?

What would have happened economically of everyone for COVID and there was no vaccination and society stayed in shutdown while the health care system got overrun by patients of all ages? If it wasn't for the mRNA vaccine we'd still be working on recovery efforts, we'd be burying so many more family members and would have that many more people suffering from long haul COVID.

What would happen to all the children in the world if you pulled the vaccine for one of the most contagious diseases going - measles?

You'd be good with seeing hundreds of thousands of children dying in first world countries, clogging up the hospitals to go along with the 95,000 deaths annually in developing countries.

What you are arguing for here is sheer madness.

 

[Randall]

Dr. Zervos has not supported the study, did not contradict Henry Ford Health, did not try to publish the paper independently, did not show up at Senate hearings to support the paper and has completely distanced himself from it . . .

All of that is beside the point — which you clearly missed.

 

[Randall]

Here's another basic fact:

Definitely — Except it's not really the "disease" that costs the money is it? It's just a virus, and blaming the virus is a favorite red herring.
It's actually the system that creates and dishes the money out — and the corrupt medical system milked it as much as it could . . .

Florida Law Firm Calls on All 50 States to Investigate Trillions in COVID Federal Aid to Hospitals & Drugmakers

“Hospitals are also specifically incentivized to administer as many COVID countermeasures on each patient they are able to diagnose with COVID due to layering bonuses from the federal government to the hospitals, specifically by CMS [Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services].”​

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In contrast — a non-vaxxed person such as myself cost the system nothing ( zero ). Not one sniffle, no doctor's visits, no hospitalization — in fact, based on my rejection of the recommendations, I actually saved the system around $2500 — maybe more. How much did you cost it? Did you get all your boosters? Make any hospital or doctors visits? Get any compensation for lost work due to lockdowns?

 

[Randall]

Judge Pauses Lawsuit After HHS Announces Plan to Create COVID Vaccine Injury Table​

U.S. District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich ordered the pause after attorney Ray Flores filed a motion to stay the lawsuit for six months. Flores asked the court to stay the suit after HHS last month announced plans to propose a rule in November that will establish a formal “injury table” for all COVID-19 countermeasures, including COVID-19 vaccines.​

 

[Randall]

For years, thousands of Canadians who say they were injured by COVID-19 vaccines have sought recognition, accountability, and answers. Many have shared stories of devastating health complications, financial hardship, and the struggle simply to have their experiences acknowledged. Now, those voices are set to be heard through The Allison Inquiry, a new parliamentary inquiry focused specifically on COVID-19 vaccine injuries.

 

[Tyger]

For those who called Ivermectin "horse paste" and a "fool's remedy" facts matter.

IVERMECTIN FACTS
1 – Ivermectin prevents the damage caused by RNA Vaccines.
2 – Ivermectin blocks the entry of the Spike Protein into cells.
Therefore, if a person has been vaccinated, there is hope; there is a way to treat it through ivermectin.
3 – Ivermectin provides post-Covid and post-vaccination treatment; it is an effective medication in all phases of Covid-19. Even before entering the cell, ivermectin already destroys the virus in the blood.
It only has beneficial effects and no harmful ones in the treatment of the coronavirus.
4 – Ivermectin has a very potent anti-inflammatory action against the Coronavirus.
5 – Ivermectin has potent action for traumatic and orthopedic injuries, without the side effects of corticosteroids.
6 – Ivermectin treats autoimmune diseases such as: rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, fibromyalgia, psoriasis, Crohn's disease, allergic rhinitis.
7 – Ivermectin reduces the frequency of flu and colds.
8 – Ivermectin improves immunity in cancer patients.
9 – Ivermectin treats Herpes Simplex and Herpes Zoster.
10 – Ivermectin reduces the frequency of sinusitis and diverticulitis.
11 – Ivermectin protects the heart in cases of cardiac overload; in an embolism, for example, it prevents cardiac hypoxia because it stimulates the production of basic energy so that the tissue is not destroyed and, thus, improves cardiac function.
12 – Ivermectin is antiparasitic.
13 – Ivermectin is antineoplastic (anticancer), suppressing the proliferation and metastasis of cancer cells by killing only the cancer cells and preserving healthy cells, improving the efficacy of chemotherapy treatment, as it kills chemotherapy-resistant cancer cells, overcoming resistance to multiple chemotherapies that tumors develop. And when combined with chemotherapy and/or anticancer agents, it provides an increase in the efficacy of those treatments.
14 – Ivermectin is antimicrobial (bacteria and viruses) and boosts immunity.
15 – Ivermectin has a fantastic capacity for nerve regeneration.
16 – Ivermectin regulates glucose and insulin metabolism.
17 – Ivermectin regulates cholesterol metabolism.
18 – Ivermectin reduces fat in the liver in cases of steatosis.
19 – Ivermectin protects the liver exposed to insecticides.
20 – Ivermectin attacks the virus wherever it is, regardless of mutations.
21 – Ivermectin is used for the prevention and treatment of the coronavirus, in a surprising way. The unproven efficacy is not due to ivermectin, but to the vaccines.
22 – Ivermectin, used as a prophylactic agent, has been associated with a significant reduction in COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.
23 – Ivermectin does not harm the liver, as it is not metabolized there, but in the intestine; on the contrary, it protects the liver.

 

[Randall]

For those who called Ivermectin "horse paste" and a "fool's remedy" facts matter.

IVERMECTIN FACTS
1 – Ivermectin prevents the damage caused by RNA Vaccines.
2 – Ivermectin blocks the entry of the Spike Protein into cells.
Therefore, if a person has been vaccinated, there is hope; there is a way to treat it through ivermectin.
3 – Ivermectin provides post-Covid and post-vaccination treatment; it is an effective medication in all phases of Covid-19. Even before entering the cell, ivermectin already destroys the virus in the blood.
It only has beneficial effects and no harmful ones in the treatment of the coronavirus.
4 – Ivermectin has a very potent anti-inflammatory action against the Coronavirus.
5 – Ivermectin has potent action for traumatic and orthopedic injuries, without the side effects of corticosteroids.
6 – Ivermectin treats autoimmune diseases such as: rheumatoid arthritis, ankylosing spondylitis, fibromyalgia, psoriasis, Crohn's disease, allergic rhinitis.
7 – Ivermectin reduces the frequency of flu and colds.
8 – Ivermectin improves immunity in cancer patients.
9 – Ivermectin treats Herpes Simplex and Herpes Zoster.
10 – Ivermectin reduces the frequency of sinusitis and diverticulitis.
11 – Ivermectin protects the heart in cases of cardiac overload; in an embolism, for example, it prevents cardiac hypoxia because it stimulates the production of basic energy so that the tissue is not destroyed and, thus, improves cardiac function.
12 – Ivermectin is antiparasitic.
13 – Ivermectin is antineoplastic (anticancer), suppressing the proliferation and metastasis of cancer cells by killing only the cancer cells and preserving healthy cells, improving the efficacy of chemotherapy treatment, as it kills chemotherapy-resistant cancer cells, overcoming resistance to multiple chemotherapies that tumors develop. And when combined with chemotherapy and/or anticancer agents, it provides an increase in the efficacy of those treatments.
14 – Ivermectin is antimicrobial (bacteria and viruses) and boosts immunity.
15 – Ivermectin has a fantastic capacity for nerve regeneration.
16 – Ivermectin regulates glucose and insulin metabolism.
17 – Ivermectin regulates cholesterol metabolism.
18 – Ivermectin reduces fat in the liver in cases of steatosis.
19 – Ivermectin protects the liver exposed to insecticides.
20 – Ivermectin attacks the virus wherever it is, regardless of mutations.
21 – Ivermectin is used for the prevention and treatment of the coronavirus, in a surprising way. The unproven efficacy is not due to ivermectin, but to the vaccines.
22 – Ivermectin, used as a prophylactic agent, has been associated with a significant reduction in COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and mortality rates.
23 – Ivermectin does not harm the liver, as it is not metabolized there, but in the intestine; on the contrary, it protects the liver.

Some spot on — some contentious.

The bottom line for me is that several real-world clinicians were getting very positive results with Ivermectin as part of an early onset COVID protocol prior to the vax, and that so-called "fact checkers" made significant errors evaluating the protocol, thereby misleading people ( intentionally or otherwise ) to demonize physicians using it and ban the treatment under threat of some form of regulatory censure.

Consequently, those who suppressed the Ivermectin based protocols could be indirectly responsible for many hospitalizations for covid and covid vax injuries.

 

[Tyger]

An excellent summary, analysis and context given for the content of 'the Fauci Diaries'.
Posted this over on the Fauci thread but this is too comprehensive to not post here.

The Epoch Times - American Thought Leaders
Top 10 Biggest Revelations From the Fauci Diaries | Jeffrey Tucker
Published August 20, 2026: [Video Run Time 1:12:19]

"A trove of newly released documents, colloquially known as the 'Fauci Diaries,' offer an unusually revealing window into the decisions and dynamics that shaped the COVID-19 era.

"Jeffrey Tucker spent days reading all the documents - over 1,100 pages of materials - which were prepared within the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and appear to have been intended, at least in part, as the foundation for an autobiography.

"Tucker argues that these records offer key insights into what Dr. Anthony Fauci knew, when he knew it, and how that knowledge influenced public messaging and policy.

"We discuss the early push for an mRNA vaccine, the influential WHO delegation to China in February 2020, the origins and consequences of lockdown policies, and Fauci’s relationship with the media.

- Why did so many countries adopt elements of China’s COVID response?
- What do the documents reveal about the debate over the lab-leak theory?
- And why did the vaccination push intensify even as breakthrough infections became increasingly apparent?

"We also examine the clash between Fauci and President Donald Trump, the treatment of dissenting scientists behind the Great Barrington Declaration, and the broader question of how the official history of the pandemic will be written."

Live Link Below

Top 10 Biggest Revelations From the Fauci Diaries | Jeffrey Tucker

The newly released documents offer an unusually revealing window into the decisions and dynamics that shaped the COVID-19 era.

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[Randall]

An excellent summary, analysis and context given for the content of 'the Fauci Diaries'.

Live Link Below

Top 10 Biggest Revelations From the Fauci Diaries | Jeffrey Tucker

The newly released documents offer an unusually revealing window into the decisions and dynamics that shaped the COVID-19 era.

www.theepochtimes.com

Yep — Epoch Times was on this from the start. Way back before the censorship started here, I posted an Epoch Times Investigative Report here. The old Covid-19 News thread is worthy of reviewing. You can see who here was drawn-in by the propaganda and never changed. I initially gave some reporting the benefit of the doubt, but still objected to mandating measures. The old thread is here . . .

Thread 'COVID-19 News'

Mar 30, 2020

There are other threads on the forum dealing with COVID-19 from other perspectives. including

• We're Living in 12 Monkeys
• Coronavirus... what if ?

Rather than feeding any particular conspiracy or fringe theory, this thread is for news articles and videos that appear to be more objective and informative or entertaining, but not necessarily mainstream. To that end, I'm sifting through articles and will provide links here on a daily basis. Feel free to add your own. I'll start with the following:

COVID-19 - Today's Articles Worth Reading:

• World...

• Randall
• covid-19 epidemic flu pandemic virus
• Replies: 965
• Forum: General Freewheeling Chit-Chat

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The "Vaccines Save People" Fallacy​

The oft touted "Vaccine Would Have Saved X Number Of People" claim is a logical fallacy known as the flaw of the single and imaginary alternative or counterfactual fallacy. It draws conclusions from speculative assumptions rather than what's actually happened. Consequently . . .

FACT: Nobody can show anybody one person who was actually "saved" by any vaccine — becuase the claim itself is fallacious. Additionally, that's not even how vaccines work. They're not like an antidote to a poision. If anything, they are poisions in and of themselves that are theoretically better than the disease a person might get. In several cases vaccines have actually caused the disease they were supposed to prevent ( polio included ) — as well as caused millions of vaccine injuries and deaths.

Vaxxers — Read & Learn

 

[Randall]

This is the full in studio cut of board certified internist and cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough® on the Pompa Podcast with Dr Dan Pompa. They cover the laboratory origins of SARS-CoV-2, suppression of early treatment, and unsafe and ineffective COVID-19 vaccines. Courtesy Pompa Podcast.

Epidemiologist Dr Peter McCullough on the Pompa Podcast

 

[Randall]

Real-world Clinical Outcomes of Ivermectin and Mebendazole in Cancer Patients

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[Randall]

Why Do So Many Still Sleep ?

By now, if there really was a COVID psyop — wouldn't everyone know? Wouldn't they be upset? Wouldn't they want real answers? This isn't all that different from why people refuse to believe in the possibility of alien visitation — eccept for one thing. Vaccines and vax injuries are entirely provable non-fiction. So why do so many still sleep?

It reminds me of the classic X-Files exchange between Fox Mulder & informant Ronald Pakula, but let's sub-in "vaccine injuries" for ET.

• Pakula: "Mr. Mulder, why are those like yourself who believe in the existence of vaccine injuries not dissuaded by all the evidence to the contrary?"
• Mulder: "Because, all the evidence to the contrary is not entirely dissuasive."

Looking back at all the polished MSM news pieces that shame vaccine skeptics, calling them "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" — it's exactly the same playbook. They look back at all the MSM propganda and use it to reinforce their beliefs — never applying contrary evidence and reason to it. This keeps them "safe" in their belief — securely programmed to conform.

The most frustrating thing to accept is that if you put yourself in their position ( that of a vaxxer ), what they think and how they feel seems entirely justified. That's because on a superficial level, it all makes sense. For most of them, a superficial flashy news story that scares them into compliance is all they need. They don't have the time, or the experience, or the capacity, of a hardened skeptic to challenge a news story — let alone their own beliefs. And even many who try. just run run into the next level of the deception. They don't dig deep enough to see where the narrative falls apart.

So vaxxers simply write vaccine skeptics off as nonsenseical, and decide it's not worth the effort to argue — taking a moral highground, shifting blame, and resorting to the usual name calling. There are examples here on the forum, where vaxxers openly admit that they're completely boggled by vaccine skepticism, — never accepting that being boggled is exactly why they don't get that they've been psyopped. Meanwhile, those suffering from vax injuries continue to be marginalized, while those of us fighting for people's freedom to decline coercive vax mandates are shamed, ignored, called namess, etc.

Mass Formation & Totalitarian Thinking During COVID
"Mass formation is a sort of hypnosis. So what happens is that at that moment when people experience
this mental intoxication, it doesn't matter anymore whether the narrative is correct or wrong, even blatantly wrong."

 

[Randall]

Aaron Siri Because of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, vaccine manufactureres are the only companies in America that cannot be sued for causing injuries. Had they been accountable, many children would not have been injured, would not have developed a chronic disease, and would not have been killed. Of course the vax companies would not have made trillions of dollars either.

 

[Tyger]

Katie Jenkins Metzger [X] -

"If you had trusted the settled science of the day, here is how it would have gone."

1890s: you dose the baby with Bayer's new cough syrup, the non-addictive alternative to morphine, marketed for children. It was heroin. They named it after the German for heroic.

1900s: you rub calomel teething powder on your infant's gums. It is a mercury compound, and it leaves a generation with pink disease. Swollen, peeling hands and feet, screaming for months, and some of them died.

1910s: you cook in Crisco, launched by a soap and candle company, because cottonseed oil is modern and lard is what your mother used. The process that made it solid produced trans fat, banned outright a century later.

1920s: you drink Radithor, certified radioactive water, on prescription. Eben Byers took fourteen hundred bottles for his vitality. His jaw was removed in pieces and he was buried in a lead coffin.

1930s: a chemist dissolves a new sulfa drug in diethylene glycol, which is antifreeze. It kills 107 people, mostly children, and only then does America give the FDA power to demand safety testing.

1940s: your doctor lights a Camel in the surgery. More doctors smoke them than any other brand, and the advert runs in the Journal of the American Medical Association, which sold him the page.

1950s: DDT is sprayed over your kitchen, your garden and your children at school. The man who found its insecticidal properties has already been given a Nobel Prize.

1960s: your wife takes thalidomide for morning sickness because it is remarkably safe. More than ten thousand children are born with missing and shortened limbs.

1970s: the country puts down the butter and picks up the margarine, on the instruction of the American Heart Association. The fat everybody switched to was banned in 2015 as unsafe at any level.

1980s: the fat comes out of everything and sugar goes back in to make it edible. Obesity begins a climb it has never come off.

1990s: your father is prescribed OxyContin, because fewer than one per cent get addicted. The company later pleads guilty to criminal misbranding, and the overdose count runs into hundreds of thousands.

2000s: you take Vioxx for your knee. It is pulled in 2004, and the FDA's own safety officer estimates tens of thousands of excess heart attacks.

"Not one of those was fringe. Every one had a professional body, a literature and a man in a white coat standing behind it.

"Nobody who followed that advice was stupid. They were obedient, to the most qualified people available.

"Settled is a word about money. It means the questions stopped being funded, so they stopped being asked.

"So which of today's instructions will your grandchildren read out in disbelief.

"The oil washed in hexane and built into every cell you own. The statin that blocks the pathway making your hormones, to prevent one heart attack per hundred people. The injection where a third of the loss is muscle. The infant formula built out of vegetable oil.

"All settled. None of it funded to be otherwise."