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September 27, 2026
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MUFON researcher and benefactor Greg Cisko takes new looks at the Aztec, NM crash/retrieval and other cases this week on The Paracast.
The Paracast is released every Sunday and available from our site, https://www.theparacast.com, your favorite podcast app, and the IRN Internet Radio Network. All episodes from 2022 and later now feature better audio and fewer ads. We are also re-releasing some of our most popular classic episodes.
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This Week's Episode (September 27, 2026): Gene and Geneva present MUFON UFO researcher Greg Cisko discussing UFO phenomena and crash retrievals. The conversation covered Greg’s personal UFO sightings from the late 1960s, including a triangular object his family observed, and his involvement with MUFON since 2014. They extensively discussed Leonard Stringfield’s work on crash retrievals, with Greg explaining how Stringfield collected reports from around the world describing similar entities and craft characteristics. The discussion included detailed descriptions of alleged alien beings from Stringfield’s research, including their physical characteristics and feeding habits, as well as theories about neurological connections between entities and their craft. They also addressed various crash retrieval cases including Roswell, Aztec, and Kingman, Arizona, with Greg expressing skepticism about some claims while acknowledging the consistency of witness reports across different cases. He has been an avid student of UFO phenomena since the late 1960’s and specializes in a historical perspective of the UFO (now UAP), including government programs such as Projects Sign, Grudge, Blue Book, as well as the Condon Committee, Stringfield Crash Retrieval research, ultimately relating that history to current UFO disclosures of today. He joined the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) in 2014 and is a now a MUFON Benefactor (lifetime contributor) and currently holds the position of MUFON Archivist & Historian and is the acting National Director of India and Sri Lanka, as well as a member of the MUFON Photo Analysis Team. Greg also helped redact the Stringfield diaries for MUFON’s Aquarius Library in 2024–2025.
After The Paracast — Available exclusively to Paracast+ subscribers: MUFON researcher Greg Cisco continues his discussion with Gene and Geneva. Topics include his views on Lou Elizondo, expressing skepticism about claims that Elizondo is a disinformation agent, while acknowledging his intelligence background. The conversation covered the high strangeness or “Oz factor” in UFO encounters, with Greg stating that the source and purpose remain unknown. They discussed the consistency of UFO reports over decades, comparing modern MUFON cases to Project Blue Book files. Greg argued for the credibility of the Aztec, a New Mexico UFO case disputed by many, citing historical documents and recent government releases. The group also explored the phenomenon’s possible attraction to nuclear facilities and the concept of a “legacy program” managing UFO information. Other topics included the Majestic 12, the role of the CIA, and the Skinwalker Ranch investigations. Grego has been an avid student of UFO phenomena since the late 1960’s and specializes in a historical perspective of the UFO (now UAP), including government programs such as Projects Sign, Grudge, Blue Book, as well as the Condon Committee, Stringfield Crash Retrieval research, ultimately relating that history to current UFO disclosures of today. He joined the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) in 2014 and is a now a MUFON Benefactor (lifetime contributor) and currently holds the position of MUFON Archivist & Historian and is the acting National Director of India and Sri Lanka, as well as a member of the MUFON Photo Analysis Team. Greg also helped redact the Stringfield diaries for MUFON’s Aquarius Library in 2024–2025.
Reminder: Please don't forget to visit our famous Paracast Community Forums for the latest news/views/debates on all things paranormal: The Paracast Community Forums. And look for @theparacast on Bluesky Social, Facebook, Threads and X.
Editors Note: Several months have passed since the episode with Preston Dennett was first recorded. In the interim I suffered from yet another bout of pneumonia. After a prolonged period of recovery, I’m back in the game with new Paracast episodes.
As you might expect, I am still overloaded with medical copays and other expenses. Please try to help the cause with your donations. You can send a PayPal payment (friends or family option), online or through the app with my thanks to:
paypal@technightowl.live
Indiana UFOs Prior to 1947
By Tim R. Swartz
UFOs have enjoyed a long and often tumultuous relationship with Indiana over the years. In fact, UFOs have been reported over the skies of Indiana long before the so-called "modern era of UFOs" which began in 1947. The Hoosier state, like the rest of the country, was caught up in sightings of the Great Airship that was supposedly making its way eastward from California starting in 1896.
In 1897, reports started to trickle in from the northern counties with sightings in Hammond, Gary and South Bend. Soon, however, local newspapers all across the state started reporting Airship sightings in the skies above their communities. On the night of Friday, April 16, residents of Vincennes twice sighted a mysterious airship that passed slowly over the city.
According to the Vincennes Morning Commercial, the airship first appeared about nine o'clock, traveling along the extreme eastern portion of the horizon. A sphere of golden light was first seen in the vicinity of the Union Depot, from down in the city. Those near the ship claimed they could clearly see the dark lines of its car, although no passengers were observed.
Many reputable citizens witnessed the flight. From his home on Burnett's Heights, Sam Judah said he could plainly see the ship with its fluttering wings, its movements resembling a side wheeler steam-boat, sailing through the air with incredible velocity. From his doorway, where he had gone to look at his thermometer, Col. Ewing saw the light, which he at first thought was a falling star, but as it moved so slowly, soon became convinced that it was the inevitable airship. Ewing watched it for about four minutes. Anton Simon noticed a ball of fire, moving in a northwesterly to southeasterly course, which he later realized was an airship.
Victor Schonfeld, somewhat of an expert observer, having made airships and balloons a lifelong study, and having even made several ascensions in his time, testified that this was a genuine airship. Among many others who saw the airship were Col. M.P. Ghee, Thomas Eastham, Judge DeWolf, Will Mason, Scott Emison, Jesse Foulks, all highly reputable witnesses.
The airship first passed rapidly overhead in a southwesterly direction. An hour and a half later, it was seen again, passing over the northern portion of the city, traveling in a northwesterly direction. The last time the strange object was seen, it seemed to pass directly over the fairgrounds (present-day Gregg Park) and traveled more slowly than in its first swift passage straight over the city.
It is thought that the navigator turned his flying machine around and started back, or that the ship landed near the city and started back. Some say voices could be heard in the airship, and one gentleman, who saw it from Burnett's Heights says he could see a man moving about in the ship and that he appeared to be adjusting the machinery.
In fact, the Vincennes encounter was only one of some 200 sightings made by thousands of people in 19 states, during the Great Airship flap of 1896-1897.
UFO Occupants Seen in 1923
A little more than 20-years later, a young boy by the name of Norman Massie was leading a team of horses into a pasture near his home, when he happened to look up and saw what he is convinced to this day was a spaceship.
"You can call me anything you want, but I know in my heart and in my mind what I saw that evening, and it was some kind of spaceship," Massie said.
Massie, 85, was ten years old when he encountered the object. The retired high school math teacher and coach said he kept quiet about the incident until 1990 because his father told him never to breathe a word about what he saw because "people would talk." Massie's UFO sighting happened in June 1923 on the family farm in northern Wayne County (east-central Indiana, near Richmond).
"I opened the gate to let the horses into the pasture. I let them through, and as I was closing the gate I looked back down the field and there was an object with lights all around it," Massie said. "I kept walking closer to the object until I got about 50 feet away. I stood there and watched the five men who were on board."
Massie described the men as being about four feet tall with blond hair. "I got close enough that I could hear them talk," Massie said. "One guy sat in a chair and the others called him the commander. Four others made trips back and forth in the ship. I didn't know what was going on until the end."
Massie claims he heard one of the crew members tell his commander that "the repairs had been made."
"The machine was metallic and stood on three legs. The top was a dome with holes in it. The best way I could describe the top was it looked like melted glass," Massie said.
The encounter lasted only about five minutes, Massie said. "In a minute, it came to a hovering position. The tripod legs telescoped up into the belly of the thing, and it went straight up about 200 feet and whizzed off to the west like a bullet," he said. Startled by what he saw, Massie says he ran home and told his parents, Grover and Laura Massie, and his 8-year-old brother, Lyveere.
"Mom and Dad tried to convince me that I really hadn't seen anything, and was making up the whole thing," he said.
He says his dad announced he wanted no member of his family mentioning the incident to anyone because they might think Norman was "crazy in the head, or an idiot."
Massie broke his silence on the matter in 1990 when he told his son, Jerry, who was a colonel in the Air Force at the time.
"When I got done telling him the whole story he told me there was nothing wrong with me, that the Air Force files are full of pictures of UFOs. He accepted my story as the truth."
Massie says he's convinced the object had to come from somewhere other than Earth. "It doesn't bother me one bit that people might think I'm a crazy old man. In my own mind and my own heart, it existed and I saw it with my own two eyes."
Tim R. Swartz is an Indiana-based Emmy Award–winning television producer and videographer, as well as an accomplished author specializing in paranormal phenomena and unexplained mysteries. He is the author of several widely read books, including The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla , Gef the Talking Mongoose and Tim R. Swartz’s Big Book of Incredible Alien Encounters. In collaboration with author Sean Casteel, Swartz has co-written recent titles including The Persistence of Ghosts: A Cross-Cultural Study of Ghost Behavior from Ancient Times to the Modern Era, Weird Time: Exploring the Mysteries of Time and Space, and Mimics: The Others Among Us. His work is recognized for its in-depth research and global perspective on anomalous experiences.
Swartz has also appeared as an on-camera expert in numerous documentary and television productions, including Ancient Aliens, Ancient Aliens: Declassified, The UnXplained, History’s Greatest Mysteries, the History Channel Latin America series Contacto Extraterrestre, and the documentary The Myth of Tesla.
His articles have been featured in a wide range of publications, including Mysteries, FATE, Strange, Atlantis Rising, UFO Universe, Flying Saucer Review, Renaissance, and Unsolved UFO Reports, further establishing him as a respected voice in the field of paranormal research.
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September 27, 2026
www.theparacast.com
MUFON researcher and benefactor Greg Cisko takes new looks at the Aztec, NM crash/retrieval and other cases this week on The Paracast.
The Paracast is released every Sunday and available from our site, https://www.theparacast.com, your favorite podcast app, and the IRN Internet Radio Network. All episodes from 2022 and later now feature better audio and fewer ads. We are also re-releasing some of our most popular classic episodes.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED UP FOR THE PARACAST+ YET? PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO THE PARACAST+ SO YOU CAN SUPPORT THE SHOW AND ENJOY THE ULTIMATE PARACAST EXPERIENCE AT A SPECIAL LOW PRICE! We have another radio show and we’d love for you listen to it. So for a low subscription fee, you will receive access to an exclusive bonus podcast, After The Paracast, plus a special version of The Paracast with all the ads removed, when you join The Paracast+. We also offer a special RSS feed for easy updates of the latest episodes on your device. Episodes for subscribers to The Paracast+ are now released 24 hours earlier. Flash! Now includes over 100 classic episodes, so take advantage of our lowest rates ever! Act now! It's easier than ever to susbcribe! For the easiest signup ever, please visit: https://www.theparacast.plus
This Week's Episode (September 27, 2026): Gene and Geneva present MUFON UFO researcher Greg Cisko discussing UFO phenomena and crash retrievals. The conversation covered Greg’s personal UFO sightings from the late 1960s, including a triangular object his family observed, and his involvement with MUFON since 2014. They extensively discussed Leonard Stringfield’s work on crash retrievals, with Greg explaining how Stringfield collected reports from around the world describing similar entities and craft characteristics. The discussion included detailed descriptions of alleged alien beings from Stringfield’s research, including their physical characteristics and feeding habits, as well as theories about neurological connections between entities and their craft. They also addressed various crash retrieval cases including Roswell, Aztec, and Kingman, Arizona, with Greg expressing skepticism about some claims while acknowledging the consistency of witness reports across different cases. He has been an avid student of UFO phenomena since the late 1960’s and specializes in a historical perspective of the UFO (now UAP), including government programs such as Projects Sign, Grudge, Blue Book, as well as the Condon Committee, Stringfield Crash Retrieval research, ultimately relating that history to current UFO disclosures of today. He joined the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) in 2014 and is a now a MUFON Benefactor (lifetime contributor) and currently holds the position of MUFON Archivist & Historian and is the acting National Director of India and Sri Lanka, as well as a member of the MUFON Photo Analysis Team. Greg also helped redact the Stringfield diaries for MUFON’s Aquarius Library in 2024–2025.
After The Paracast — Available exclusively to Paracast+ subscribers: MUFON researcher Greg Cisco continues his discussion with Gene and Geneva. Topics include his views on Lou Elizondo, expressing skepticism about claims that Elizondo is a disinformation agent, while acknowledging his intelligence background. The conversation covered the high strangeness or “Oz factor” in UFO encounters, with Greg stating that the source and purpose remain unknown. They discussed the consistency of UFO reports over decades, comparing modern MUFON cases to Project Blue Book files. Greg argued for the credibility of the Aztec, a New Mexico UFO case disputed by many, citing historical documents and recent government releases. The group also explored the phenomenon’s possible attraction to nuclear facilities and the concept of a “legacy program” managing UFO information. Other topics included the Majestic 12, the role of the CIA, and the Skinwalker Ranch investigations. Grego has been an avid student of UFO phenomena since the late 1960’s and specializes in a historical perspective of the UFO (now UAP), including government programs such as Projects Sign, Grudge, Blue Book, as well as the Condon Committee, Stringfield Crash Retrieval research, ultimately relating that history to current UFO disclosures of today. He joined the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) in 2014 and is a now a MUFON Benefactor (lifetime contributor) and currently holds the position of MUFON Archivist & Historian and is the acting National Director of India and Sri Lanka, as well as a member of the MUFON Photo Analysis Team. Greg also helped redact the Stringfield diaries for MUFON’s Aquarius Library in 2024–2025.
Reminder: Please don't forget to visit our famous Paracast Community Forums for the latest news/views/debates on all things paranormal: The Paracast Community Forums. And look for @theparacast on Bluesky Social, Facebook, Threads and X.
Editors Note: Several months have passed since the episode with Preston Dennett was first recorded. In the interim I suffered from yet another bout of pneumonia. After a prolonged period of recovery, I’m back in the game with new Paracast episodes.
As you might expect, I am still overloaded with medical copays and other expenses. Please try to help the cause with your donations. You can send a PayPal payment (friends or family option), online or through the app with my thanks to:
paypal@technightowl.live
Indiana UFOs Prior to 1947
By Tim R. Swartz
UFOs have enjoyed a long and often tumultuous relationship with Indiana over the years. In fact, UFOs have been reported over the skies of Indiana long before the so-called "modern era of UFOs" which began in 1947. The Hoosier state, like the rest of the country, was caught up in sightings of the Great Airship that was supposedly making its way eastward from California starting in 1896.
In 1897, reports started to trickle in from the northern counties with sightings in Hammond, Gary and South Bend. Soon, however, local newspapers all across the state started reporting Airship sightings in the skies above their communities. On the night of Friday, April 16, residents of Vincennes twice sighted a mysterious airship that passed slowly over the city.
According to the Vincennes Morning Commercial, the airship first appeared about nine o'clock, traveling along the extreme eastern portion of the horizon. A sphere of golden light was first seen in the vicinity of the Union Depot, from down in the city. Those near the ship claimed they could clearly see the dark lines of its car, although no passengers were observed.
Many reputable citizens witnessed the flight. From his home on Burnett's Heights, Sam Judah said he could plainly see the ship with its fluttering wings, its movements resembling a side wheeler steam-boat, sailing through the air with incredible velocity. From his doorway, where he had gone to look at his thermometer, Col. Ewing saw the light, which he at first thought was a falling star, but as it moved so slowly, soon became convinced that it was the inevitable airship. Ewing watched it for about four minutes. Anton Simon noticed a ball of fire, moving in a northwesterly to southeasterly course, which he later realized was an airship.
Victor Schonfeld, somewhat of an expert observer, having made airships and balloons a lifelong study, and having even made several ascensions in his time, testified that this was a genuine airship. Among many others who saw the airship were Col. M.P. Ghee, Thomas Eastham, Judge DeWolf, Will Mason, Scott Emison, Jesse Foulks, all highly reputable witnesses.
The airship first passed rapidly overhead in a southwesterly direction. An hour and a half later, it was seen again, passing over the northern portion of the city, traveling in a northwesterly direction. The last time the strange object was seen, it seemed to pass directly over the fairgrounds (present-day Gregg Park) and traveled more slowly than in its first swift passage straight over the city.
It is thought that the navigator turned his flying machine around and started back, or that the ship landed near the city and started back. Some say voices could be heard in the airship, and one gentleman, who saw it from Burnett's Heights says he could see a man moving about in the ship and that he appeared to be adjusting the machinery.
In fact, the Vincennes encounter was only one of some 200 sightings made by thousands of people in 19 states, during the Great Airship flap of 1896-1897.
UFO Occupants Seen in 1923
A little more than 20-years later, a young boy by the name of Norman Massie was leading a team of horses into a pasture near his home, when he happened to look up and saw what he is convinced to this day was a spaceship.
"You can call me anything you want, but I know in my heart and in my mind what I saw that evening, and it was some kind of spaceship," Massie said.
Massie, 85, was ten years old when he encountered the object. The retired high school math teacher and coach said he kept quiet about the incident until 1990 because his father told him never to breathe a word about what he saw because "people would talk." Massie's UFO sighting happened in June 1923 on the family farm in northern Wayne County (east-central Indiana, near Richmond).
"I opened the gate to let the horses into the pasture. I let them through, and as I was closing the gate I looked back down the field and there was an object with lights all around it," Massie said. "I kept walking closer to the object until I got about 50 feet away. I stood there and watched the five men who were on board."
Massie described the men as being about four feet tall with blond hair. "I got close enough that I could hear them talk," Massie said. "One guy sat in a chair and the others called him the commander. Four others made trips back and forth in the ship. I didn't know what was going on until the end."
Massie claims he heard one of the crew members tell his commander that "the repairs had been made."
"The machine was metallic and stood on three legs. The top was a dome with holes in it. The best way I could describe the top was it looked like melted glass," Massie said.
The encounter lasted only about five minutes, Massie said. "In a minute, it came to a hovering position. The tripod legs telescoped up into the belly of the thing, and it went straight up about 200 feet and whizzed off to the west like a bullet," he said. Startled by what he saw, Massie says he ran home and told his parents, Grover and Laura Massie, and his 8-year-old brother, Lyveere.
"Mom and Dad tried to convince me that I really hadn't seen anything, and was making up the whole thing," he said.
He says his dad announced he wanted no member of his family mentioning the incident to anyone because they might think Norman was "crazy in the head, or an idiot."
Massie broke his silence on the matter in 1990 when he told his son, Jerry, who was a colonel in the Air Force at the time.
"When I got done telling him the whole story he told me there was nothing wrong with me, that the Air Force files are full of pictures of UFOs. He accepted my story as the truth."
Massie says he's convinced the object had to come from somewhere other than Earth. "It doesn't bother me one bit that people might think I'm a crazy old man. In my own mind and my own heart, it existed and I saw it with my own two eyes."
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Tim R. Swartz is an Indiana-based Emmy Award–winning television producer and videographer, as well as an accomplished author specializing in paranormal phenomena and unexplained mysteries. He is the author of several widely read books, including The Lost Journals of Nikola Tesla , Gef the Talking Mongoose and Tim R. Swartz’s Big Book of Incredible Alien Encounters. In collaboration with author Sean Casteel, Swartz has co-written recent titles including The Persistence of Ghosts: A Cross-Cultural Study of Ghost Behavior from Ancient Times to the Modern Era, Weird Time: Exploring the Mysteries of Time and Space, and Mimics: The Others Among Us. His work is recognized for its in-depth research and global perspective on anomalous experiences.
Swartz has also appeared as an on-camera expert in numerous documentary and television productions, including Ancient Aliens, Ancient Aliens: Declassified, The UnXplained, History’s Greatest Mysteries, the History Channel Latin America series Contacto Extraterrestre, and the documentary The Myth of Tesla.
His articles have been featured in a wide range of publications, including Mysteries, FATE, Strange, Atlantis Rising, UFO Universe, Flying Saucer Review, Renaissance, and Unsolved UFO Reports, further establishing him as a respected voice in the field of paranormal research.
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