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July 28, 2013
The Paracast Presents a “Great Debate” on the Aztec UFO Crash!
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About The Paracast: The Paracast covers a world beyond science, where UFOs, poltergeists and strange phenomena of all kinds have been reported by millions across the planet.
Set Up: The Paracast is a paranormal radio show that takes you on a journey to a world beyond science, where UFOs, poltergeists and strange phenomena of all kinds have been reported by millions. The Paracast seeks to shed light on the mysteries and complexities of our Universe and the secrets that surround us in our everyday lives.
Join long-time paranormal researcher Gene Steinberg, co-host and acclaimed field investigator Christopher O'Brien, and a panel of special guest experts and experiencers, as they explore the realms of the known and unknown. Listen each week to the great stories of the history of the paranormal field in the 20th and 21st centuries.
This Week's Episode: Gene and Chris present "The Great Aztec Debate," featuring Scott Ramsey, co-author of "The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon" and long-time UFO researcher Kevin D. Randle. During this debate, Ramsey will argue in favor of reports of a UFO crash in Aztec, NM in March 1948. Randle is a long-time skeptic of the case who attributes the report to two alleged hoaxers who gave the story to the late gossip columnist Frank Scully, author of a 1950 book, "Behind The Flying Saucers." The book was updated in 2008 with updated material from several authors, including Ramsey.
Chris O'Brien's Site: http://www.ourstrangeplanet.com
Kevin Randle’s Blog: A Different Perspective
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Proving the Negative
By Gene Steinberg
Some people will never give up. Even though the reported UFO crashes in Roswell and Aztec, New Mexico date back over six-and-a-half decades, researchers are still continuing to actively look into both cases.
One big problem is that they weren’t rediscovered until many years after the original events. So after the authorities claimed that what crashed at Roswell in 1947 wasn’t a flying saucer, but a weather balloon, the subject soon vanished from the public consciousness. It was only rediscovered by researchers some three decades later, in the late 1970s. So it was a matter not just of depending on faulty eyewitness memories no doubt corrupted by the passage of time, personal experiences and cultural influences, but examining the written materials of the time.
At least with Roswell, there were documents that helped to confirm or deny claims from possible witnesses that they were in or around that area when the crash reportedly occurred. There were still contradictions, major and subtle, which is to be expected after the passage of so many years.
Right now, a so-called “Dream Team” of investigators, including author Kevin D. Randle, is attempting to reevaluate the Roswell evidence as a “cold case” in the hope of reaching some final conclusions. But the task will be quite difficult, because there is no physical evidence of the object or its alleged occupants. If they were, as claimed, taken away to a top secret military base for study, it is very possible we may never know what really happened. Well, assuming nobody in authority will say anything other than it was just a fallen weather balloon.
With the Aztec case, the burden of proof is far higher. Although the story first came to light in a 1950 book, “Behind the Flying Saucers,” by the late Variety columnist Frank Scully, it was quickly discredited by articles in True magazine and other publications. The main argument against Aztec is that the story was allegedly used as a gimmick by two supposed con men to bilk money from their victims.
But you can’t keep a good saucer yarn down, so Aztec has been revisited a number of times over the years. In 1987, authors William S. Steinman and Wendelle C. Stevens released “UFO Crash at Aztec: A Well Kept Secret.” The book made a case for the reality of the incident, but was rather less than a best seller.
Over the years, a private business person, Scott Ramsey, and his wife Suzanne, claim to have invested more than half a million dollars to get the goods on Aztec. The results of their investigation were published in a recent self-published book, ‘The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon.”
To be sure, the Ramseys and their co-authors have done an extensive amount of research into the case. They’ve taken a number of trips to Aztec and environs for on-the-scene investigations. But they haven’t come away with very much that isn’t somehow directly or indirectly based on Scully’s controversial book. The first edition of the Ramsey’s book also apparently had some errors, which will be corrected in a second edition, where new material will evidently be presented.
The problem with Aztec is that there are no living witnesses to the case, no written documentation or diaries from people who actually visited the site and saw a crashed object. The local newspaper never mentioned the incident, and while a few witnesses with direct or indirect involvement were interviewed by the Ramseys or one of their colleagues, it is really hard to separate the case from the Scully book, because nothing so far predates its publication. That is a lingering unknown and maybe unknowable factor.
Now it may very well be true that a spacecraft from a far off world did crash at Roswell, and that another crashed in Aztec the following year. The case for Roswell is far better supported, however, by the memories of many people who were there, their personal records, and the recollections of their friends and family members. It still doesn’t prove whether an alien ship was involved, however. There are other possibilities that are still hotly debated, such as whether the Roswell crash involved a test aircraft of some sort. The balloon explanation is given less credibility, though the Air Force continued to repeat the claim over the years.
With Aztec, the evidence remains less compelling despite all the work the Ramseys have done. They are certainly to be praised for their dedication to the topic, and it’s always possible their perseverance will some day pay off.
Regardless, it is probably impossible to disprove either case, just as it’s still not possible to deliver final proof, the “smoking gun.” They will continue to remain legends, part of the UFO saga, and will be rehashed and debated for many years regardless of how current research pans out.
In the end, the only way to settle things once and for all, other than to demonstrate either or both cases are hoaxes, is to deliver a corpus delicti. If the authorities, or private industry, still have the wreckage and the bodies of the pilots, how do we prove it? Claims from a handful of people over the years that they saw the Roswell bodies are just that -- claims. There are no photographic or movie records of what they saw, nothing that can be examined to determine the truth.
On the other hand, stories about crashed UFOs are great to discuss around a campfire, perhaps on a trip to do some skywatching. Nothing will ever be resolved, but you sure can’t prove these UFO crashes -- and others reported over the years -- didn’t happen.
This weekend, Scott Ramsey and Kevin D. Randle will debate the Aztec case in a special episode of The Paracast. But I don’t expect anything to be resolved. Besides, if the truth turned out to be strictly mundane, that would ruin all the fun, so there is a real incentive to find an alien solution, should one exist. But that doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen. Besides, how do you prove that such crashes never really occurred?
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July 28, 2013
The Paracast Presents a “Great Debate” on the Aztec UFO Crash!
The Paracast is heard Sundays from 2:00 AM until 5:00 AM Central Time on the GCN Radio Network and affiliates around the USA, and online across the globe via download and on-demand streaming.
Why It's Important for You to Donate to The Paracast: Although ads help cover a small part of our expenses, the income they produce is never enough to pay your humble hosts decent wages. Also, we do not receive any revenue from the ads placed on the show by our network or local stations. So we hope you're able to help fill the gap, if you can, to help us cover increasing server costs and other expenses -- or perhaps provide a little extra cash for lunch and utility bills. No contribution is too small (or too large
. It’s easy to send a donation. We have aDonate link on our home page, below the logo and audio player. There's also a Donate link on our forums, at the bottom of the sidebar on the right. Or just send your PayPal donation direct to sales (at) theparacast (dot) com. And if you’ve had a problem getting to our Donate screen, please try again. We just fixed a serious PayPal access problem, and it should wor k properly now.Attention U.S. Listeners: Help Us Bring The Paracast to Your City! In the summer of 2010, The Paracast joined the GCN radio network. This represented a huge step in bringing our show to a larger, mainstream audience. But we need your help to add additional affiliates to our growing network. Please ask one of your local talk stations if they are interested in carrying The Paracast. Feel free to contact us directly with the names of programming people we might be able to contact on your behalf. We can't do this alone, and if you succeed in convincing your local station to carry the show, we'll reward you with one of our special T-shirts, and other goodies. With your help, The Paracast can grow into one of the most popular paranormal shows on the planet!
Please Visit Our Online Store: You asked, and we answered. We are now taking orders for The Official Paracast T-Shirt and an expanded collection of other specially customized merchandise. To get your T-Shirt now featuring our brand new logo, just pay a visit to our online store at The Official Paracast Store to select your size and place your order. We also offer a complete lineup of other premium merchandise for your family, your friends and your business contacts.
About The Paracast: The Paracast covers a world beyond science, where UFOs, poltergeists and strange phenomena of all kinds have been reported by millions across the planet.
Set Up: The Paracast is a paranormal radio show that takes you on a journey to a world beyond science, where UFOs, poltergeists and strange phenomena of all kinds have been reported by millions. The Paracast seeks to shed light on the mysteries and complexities of our Universe and the secrets that surround us in our everyday lives.
Join long-time paranormal researcher Gene Steinberg, co-host and acclaimed field investigator Christopher O'Brien, and a panel of special guest experts and experiencers, as they explore the realms of the known and unknown. Listen each week to the great stories of the history of the paranormal field in the 20th and 21st centuries.
This Week's Episode: Gene and Chris present "The Great Aztec Debate," featuring Scott Ramsey, co-author of "The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon" and long-time UFO researcher Kevin D. Randle. During this debate, Ramsey will argue in favor of reports of a UFO crash in Aztec, NM in March 1948. Randle is a long-time skeptic of the case who attributes the report to two alleged hoaxers who gave the story to the late gossip columnist Frank Scully, author of a 1950 book, "Behind The Flying Saucers." The book was updated in 2008 with updated material from several authors, including Ramsey.
Chris O'Brien's Site: http://www.ourstrangeplanet.com
Kevin Randle’s Blog: A Different Perspective
Reminder: Please don't forget to visit our famous Paracast Community Forums for the latest news/views/debates on all things paranormal: The Paracast Community Forums. We recently completed a major update that makes our community easier to navigate, and social network friendly.
Proving the Negative
By Gene Steinberg
Some people will never give up. Even though the reported UFO crashes in Roswell and Aztec, New Mexico date back over six-and-a-half decades, researchers are still continuing to actively look into both cases.
One big problem is that they weren’t rediscovered until many years after the original events. So after the authorities claimed that what crashed at Roswell in 1947 wasn’t a flying saucer, but a weather balloon, the subject soon vanished from the public consciousness. It was only rediscovered by researchers some three decades later, in the late 1970s. So it was a matter not just of depending on faulty eyewitness memories no doubt corrupted by the passage of time, personal experiences and cultural influences, but examining the written materials of the time.
At least with Roswell, there were documents that helped to confirm or deny claims from possible witnesses that they were in or around that area when the crash reportedly occurred. There were still contradictions, major and subtle, which is to be expected after the passage of so many years.
Right now, a so-called “Dream Team” of investigators, including author Kevin D. Randle, is attempting to reevaluate the Roswell evidence as a “cold case” in the hope of reaching some final conclusions. But the task will be quite difficult, because there is no physical evidence of the object or its alleged occupants. If they were, as claimed, taken away to a top secret military base for study, it is very possible we may never know what really happened. Well, assuming nobody in authority will say anything other than it was just a fallen weather balloon.
With the Aztec case, the burden of proof is far higher. Although the story first came to light in a 1950 book, “Behind the Flying Saucers,” by the late Variety columnist Frank Scully, it was quickly discredited by articles in True magazine and other publications. The main argument against Aztec is that the story was allegedly used as a gimmick by two supposed con men to bilk money from their victims.
But you can’t keep a good saucer yarn down, so Aztec has been revisited a number of times over the years. In 1987, authors William S. Steinman and Wendelle C. Stevens released “UFO Crash at Aztec: A Well Kept Secret.” The book made a case for the reality of the incident, but was rather less than a best seller.
Over the years, a private business person, Scott Ramsey, and his wife Suzanne, claim to have invested more than half a million dollars to get the goods on Aztec. The results of their investigation were published in a recent self-published book, ‘The Aztec Incident: Recovery at Hart Canyon.”
To be sure, the Ramseys and their co-authors have done an extensive amount of research into the case. They’ve taken a number of trips to Aztec and environs for on-the-scene investigations. But they haven’t come away with very much that isn’t somehow directly or indirectly based on Scully’s controversial book. The first edition of the Ramsey’s book also apparently had some errors, which will be corrected in a second edition, where new material will evidently be presented.
The problem with Aztec is that there are no living witnesses to the case, no written documentation or diaries from people who actually visited the site and saw a crashed object. The local newspaper never mentioned the incident, and while a few witnesses with direct or indirect involvement were interviewed by the Ramseys or one of their colleagues, it is really hard to separate the case from the Scully book, because nothing so far predates its publication. That is a lingering unknown and maybe unknowable factor.
Now it may very well be true that a spacecraft from a far off world did crash at Roswell, and that another crashed in Aztec the following year. The case for Roswell is far better supported, however, by the memories of many people who were there, their personal records, and the recollections of their friends and family members. It still doesn’t prove whether an alien ship was involved, however. There are other possibilities that are still hotly debated, such as whether the Roswell crash involved a test aircraft of some sort. The balloon explanation is given less credibility, though the Air Force continued to repeat the claim over the years.
With Aztec, the evidence remains less compelling despite all the work the Ramseys have done. They are certainly to be praised for their dedication to the topic, and it’s always possible their perseverance will some day pay off.
Regardless, it is probably impossible to disprove either case, just as it’s still not possible to deliver final proof, the “smoking gun.” They will continue to remain legends, part of the UFO saga, and will be rehashed and debated for many years regardless of how current research pans out.
In the end, the only way to settle things once and for all, other than to demonstrate either or both cases are hoaxes, is to deliver a corpus delicti. If the authorities, or private industry, still have the wreckage and the bodies of the pilots, how do we prove it? Claims from a handful of people over the years that they saw the Roswell bodies are just that -- claims. There are no photographic or movie records of what they saw, nothing that can be examined to determine the truth.
On the other hand, stories about crashed UFOs are great to discuss around a campfire, perhaps on a trip to do some skywatching. Nothing will ever be resolved, but you sure can’t prove these UFO crashes -- and others reported over the years -- didn’t happen.
This weekend, Scott Ramsey and Kevin D. Randle will debate the Aztec case in a special episode of The Paracast. But I don’t expect anything to be resolved. Besides, if the truth turned out to be strictly mundane, that would ruin all the fun, so there is a real incentive to find an alien solution, should one exist. But that doesn’t mean it’ll ever happen. Besides, how do you prove that such crashes never really occurred?
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