When/Where were Greys first encountered?

[Frootloop]

Well the title says it all really, where and when were these beings first encountered? Does it stem from the reports of the events at Roswell or even earlier than that?

We all know what a "Grey" looks like thanks to the description of a being with a frail structure, large head and oversized deep black eyes decrribed by the majority of abduction and contactees. There are exceptions of course such as "The Kelly Green Men" encounter, but has the "Grey" has now imbedded itself as a symbol in our paranormal culture?. A quick search on Google Images shows that most images focus on the familiar "Grey". The most obvious exception of course being the "Alien" that Lt Ripley found on LV-426

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Stay away from anyone that tells you of a first report of a grey.

 

[Lavarat]

The Greys are us

 

[BrandonD]

We all know what a "Grey" looks like thanks to the description of a being with a frail structure, large head and oversized deep black eyes decrribed by the majority of abduction and contactees. There are exceptions of course such as "The Kelly Green Men" encounter, but has the "Grey" has now imbedded itself as a symbol in our paranormal culture?. A quick search on Google Images shows that most images focus on the familiar "Grey". The most obvious exception of course being the "Alien" that Lt Ripley found on LV-426

I think that the book Communion embedded the grey in our pop culture. I'm sure there were earlier accounts, but I think this is the thing that catapulted them into public consciousness.

Call me out you guys if I'm off here.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

We all know what a "Grey" looks like thanks to the description of a being with a frail structure, large head and oversized deep black eyes decrribed by the majority of abduction and contactees. There are exceptions of course such as "The Kelly Green Men" encounter, but has the "Grey" has now imbedded itself as a symbol in our paranormal culture?. A quick search on Google Images shows that most images focus on the familiar "Grey". The most obvious exception of course being the "Alien" that Lt Ripley found on LV-426

I think that the book Communion embedded the grey in our pop culture. I'm sure there were earlier accounts, but I think this is the thing that catapulted them into public consciousness.

Call me out you guys if I'm off here.

And don't forget the movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind."

 

[Frootloop]

interesting Wiki on the subject

 

[Aaron LeClair]

We all know what a "Grey" looks like thanks to the description of a being with a frail structure, large head and oversized deep black eyes decrribed by the majority of abduction and contactees. There are exceptions of course such as "The Kelly Green Men" encounter, but has the "Grey" has now imbedded itself as a symbol in our paranormal culture?. A quick search on Google Images shows that most images focus on the familiar "Grey". The most obvious exception of course being the "Alien" that Lt Ripley found on LV-426

I think that the book Communion embedded the grey in our pop culture. I'm sure there were earlier accounts, but I think this is the thing that catapulted them into public consciousness.

Call me out you guys if I'm off here.

I would blame Close Encounters. But it's a variety of things over time.

I once talked with the list UFOupdates as to which came first, star trek beam me up, or the ufological beam me up stories. No one seemed to know. James Oberg from NASA, you may know him as a debunker, said it would make a good thesis project, he didn't know. I'm a college and high school drop out, so none of that for me.

 

[Frootloop]

So, do we assume that the grays apparance is based upon fiction or that our fictional depiction based on them?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

So, do we assume that the grays apparance is based upon fiction or that our fictional depiction based on them?

The answer to both is probably YES!

 

[Aaron LeClair]

So, do we assume that the grays apparance is based upon fiction or that our fictional depiction based on them?

Well certainly fiction has played a roll in what many people report. There are tons of liars, and people that are mistaken. In fact, every person but 1 that I've worked with are "abuctees" that have had sleep paralysis . But, much fiction is based on reports within ufology. It's not a either or situation but both/and.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

So, do we assume that the grays apparance is based upon fiction or that our fictional depiction based on them?

Well certainly fiction has played a roll in what many people report. There are tons of liars, and people that are mistaken. In fact, every person but 1 that I've worked with are "abuctees" that have had sleep paralysis . But, much fiction is based on reports within ufology. It's not a either or situation but both/and.

It may also be -- and now we're getting to a deeper discussion -- that what we see in the paranormal world has a distinct cultural aspect. That's why the creatures seen in different parts of the world tend to be somewhat different, although popular culture today infects the entire world fairly quickly.

 

[Frootloop]

Perpaps thats why some believe that there has been so many species of alien observed. It could just be down to an individual's interpretation of what is experienced or an expectation on the part of the contactee as to what they should be seeing thanks to popular belief in their culture.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Perpaps thats why some believe that there has been so many species of alien observed. It could just be down to an individual's interpretation of what is experienced or an expectation on the part of the contactee as to what they should be seeing thanks to popular belief in their culture.

The beginning of a long and fruitful discussion, and no pun intended.

 

[Frootloop]

haha

 

[CapnG]

You're all forgetting Betty and Barney Hill, way ahead of Close Encounters (probably where Speilberg got the design from).

 

[Gene Steinberg]

You're all forgetting Betty and Barney Hill, way ahead of Close Encounters (probably where Speilberg got the design from).

But the creatures they saw weren't exactly comparable to our modern image of gray aliens.

 

[Frootloop]

From what I remember were they not kind of human sized, more nordic in appearance?

 

[CapnG]

But the creatures they saw weren't exactly comparable to our modern image of gray aliens.

Not precisely, no but greyish skin with large "wrap-around" eyes is the core element of their description. The modern concept could have evolved from/been based on that.

 

[Frootloop]

In such scenarios who knows how the person will react and what details (if any) they will remember. If a being has a large head and deep, black eyes those features when comparing to the human physiology are VERY exagerated and would be relatively easy to recall, subtleties may be easily forgotton.

Perhaps the creatures choose how to appear. Their appearance as 'greys' may be the best they can manage in an effort to fit-in with our human expectations.

 

[Michael L.]

Supposedly the design of the Close Encounter aliens was based on descriptions in works by Vallee.