What is your pet case?

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I would like to read what case or cases that you may value the most, and why? This is nonjudgmental, and there are no boundaries.

 

[Burnt State]

Pet Case #1 - Born on St. Patrick's day. She eats everything literally. Is a great comfort dog but weighs like a sack of hammers on you.


Pet Case #2 - officially a senior citizen at 15 years of age. Born on Halloween - I will do anything for this dog. He is my boy.

I thought I would start off as a literalist to answer your question before I list the things that drive me crazy!

 

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Pet Case #1 - Born on St. Patrick's day. She eats everything literally. Is a great comfort dog but weighs like a sack of hammers on you.


Pet Case #2 - officially a senior citizen at 15 years of age. Born on Halloween - I will do anything for this dog. He is my boy.

I thought I would start off as a literalist to answer your question before I list the things that drive me crazy!

Seemingly, there is a pattern to your posting. In the case of case, #1, may I suggest in watching out as for he/she may slip out on Tuesday evening (St. Patrick’s) to be found at your neighborhood pub. FWIW, I overlord an iguana named Norm as in Norman Bates named from the movie Psycho who prefers getting baked (somewhat counter intuitive) and then climbs up and then sun baths on his warm little rock.

They grow up so fast, where does the time go?

One of my all-time favorite cases is Operacao Prato which allegedly took place in 1977 on the Brazilian Island of Colares. From accounts there were at least 50 scientists and photographers to document various light forms emanating from both the sky, and emerging from beneath the sea near the mouth of the Amazon. If true , I’d really like to view the video footage.

 

[Burnt State]

One of my all-time favorite cases is Operacao Prato which allegedly took place in 1977 on the Brazilian Island of Colares. From accounts there were at least 50 scientists and photographers to document various light forms emanating from both the sky, and emerging from beneath the sea near the mouth of the Amazon. If true , I’d really like to view the video footage.

I think about this case because of the mass amounts of people involved and the detailed notes of the one female doctor that documented much of the events and medical cases. It's a real tantalizing case; because, it's one of the few cases where human beings are injured by UFO's, and in this case it was burning light beams - bloodsuckers. It's a substantial case and a really bizarre one.

What's your take on all the apparent human experimentation that went on as a part of this case? Unlike most UFO injuries from exhaust systems that appear to be accidental (that would have to include the Travis Walton case, if you favour that one, and his being the only one that was returned healed) the Colares case has people being targeted on the ground. Pretty strange stuff, and again, with an incredible amount of documentation.

Ahem....I find it very difficult to narrow my top ten cases down to just one. There are so many wild favourites.

 

[Burnt State]

In answering the question what cases do you value the most I have so say that Pascagoula is the one case that really stands out because of the complete history of that case from 1973 to now. There is some significant documentation and media elements that we can visit, such as the covert police audio recording of the two men - in an empty room these guys speak the truth of what happened and that has really significant implications for all the other really big UFO's cases that involve witnesses seeing and interacting with non human intelligences. The Broken Arrow and Kelly-Hopkinsville cases are also favourites that seem more credible after Pascagoula.

Charles Hickson did become a UFO celebrity and then later claimed a second abduction (I have problems with repeats of abduction events and people who persistently see UFO's), but the movie about Calvin Parker - wow. That also sealed it for me. These are two very different men whose statements are very compelling, and in Parker's case, strikes me as being really humble, authentic and sincere.

The beings that they encountered, what unfolded in the totality of the story, what they saw and experienced is just so incredibly potent in detail and it's a case that makes me believe even more in the Dechmont Woods Encounter. From Pascagoula I stretch forwards and backwards through many other cases, and in their totality and diversity there's a whole other series of questions that unfold. These guys were physically taken and attacked and treated like how humans experiment on animals and that makes Colares more believable, and so on.

So if this case ever collapses then I'm gonna hang up UFO shirt for good and just stick to growing plants and trees. Maybe I'll finally take up astronomy?

 

[SRL+]

What's your take on all the apparent human experimentation that went on as a part of this case?

Or were they on a hunting expedition, similar to the movie Predator?

Unlike most UFO injuries from exhaust systems that appear to be accidental (that would have to include the Travis Walton case, if you favour that one,

Travis Walton remains questionable, even though all passed a polygraph, some evidence suggests that Mr. Walton may have been tripping on acid.

Operation Saucer (Portuguese: Operação Prato; literally, Operation Saucer) was an investigation carried out between 1977 and 1978 by the Brazilian Air Force following alleged UFO sightings on the island of Colares. The investigation was closed after finding no unusual phenomena.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[1]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[2]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[3]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[4]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[5]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[6]</a>

History

Precedent events

In 1977, numerous UFOs were reported on the Brazilian island Colares, Pará. Local residents claimed that scars on their bodies were caused by the lights in the sky, and named the lights "Chupa Chupa"<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[3]</a> (literally Sucker-Sucker, local name for a "Lollipop").<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[7]</a> Believing it would keep the lights away, residents of Colares organized night vigils,<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[2]</a> lit fires, and ignited fireworks.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[4]</a> Mayor José Ildone Favacho Soeiro requested help from the Air Force.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[8]</a>

The Operation

The operation was commanded by Captain Uyrangê Bolivar Soares Nogueira de Hollanda Lima.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[3]</a> During late 1977, several pictures of lights were recorded but the military remained skeptical.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[2]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[3]</a> After approximately four months, the operation was closed after finding no unusual phenomena.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[1]</a> The official documents can be obtained from the Brazilian National Archives (Arquivo Nacional).<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[9]</a>

Conspiracy theories

In 1997, two decades after the operation, Captain Uyrangê gave an interview to Ufologists Ademar José Gevaerd and Marco Antônio Petit where he recounted his experiences living alongside his men. Three months after the interview, he was found dead in his home "after he seemingly hung himself using the belt of his bathrobe", attracting the interest of conspiracy theorists.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[10]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[11]</a>

UFOlogists

According to ufologist Jacques Vallée, a number of individuals were reportedly killed as a result of the "lights" fired upon them by the UFOs, and injuries were consistent with radiation effects from microwaves.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[12]</a> Other ufologists claimed that the lights from UFOs sucked blood from 400 people.<a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[3]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[4]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[6]</a><a href="Operação Prato - Wikipedia">[11]</a>

Allegedly, somewhere there’s 16 hours of UFO footage.

This guy doesn’t seem like a bullshiter, but again there’s so many.

 

[SRL+]

In answering the question what cases do you value the most I have so say that Pascagoula is the one case that really stands out because of the complete history of that case from 1973 to now. There is some significant documentation and media elements that we can visit, such as the covert police audio recording of the two men - in an empty room these guys speak the truth of what happened and that has really significant implications for all the other really big UFO's cases that involve witnesses seeing and interacting with non human intelligences. The Broken Arrow and Kelly-Hopkinsville cases are also favourites that seem more credible after Pascagoula.

Charles Hickson did become a UFO celebrity and then later claimed a second abduction (I have problems with repeats of abduction events and people who persistently see UFO's), but the movie about Calvin Parker - wow. That also sealed it for me. These are two very different men whose statements are very compelling, and in Parker's case, strikes me as being really humble, authentic and sincere.

The beings that they encountered, what unfolded in the totality of the story, what they saw and experienced is just so incredibly potent in detail and it's a case that makes me believe even more in the Dechmont Woods Encounter. From Pascagoula I stretch forwards and backwards through many other cases, and in their totality and diversity there's a whole other series of questions that unfold. These guys were physically taken and attacked and treated like how humans experiment on animals and that makes Colares more believable, and so on.

So if this case ever collapses then I'm gonna hang up UFO shirt for good and just stick to growing plants and trees. Maybe I'll finally take up astronomy?

Fascinating ...

 

[Pygar2]

Betty and Barney! "We were kidnapped by last week's Outer Limits aliens!"

 

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Betty and Barney! "We were kidnapped by last week's Outer Limits aliens!"

That’s kind of humorous. Seriously, If you’d like to share, what makes the Barney and Betty Hill case so compelling to you, or does it not?

 

[Burnt State]

I think Travis Walton is almost more compelling than the Hills. But I'm iffy on both. Travis stuck to his story and there's credibility in that I find that compelling. The statements from those in the truck are the ones to focus on..what they saw really means something as otherwise it's just a single person's story facilitated by older brother with not much physical evidence except weight loss. One of the guys in the truck later claimed to be a contactee. I wish I knew more about their statements then and now.

With the Hills there's the torn dress and the magnetism of the car. The whole sky chart circa 1950's classroom blackboard thing is a litter weird. And Betty was definitely a believer before and after where she continued to make extraordinary claims throughout her life regarding ufo's.. I have problems with that kind of mutating and evolving story. I think she played a big role in what Barney experienced. Alternative theory: I can realistically see the possibility of military abduction. Sounds wild but so is MKULTRA.

I like the flow of Travis' narrative: being hurt by the ship, taken on board, healed got to hang with the multi-species galactic crew and experienced some real kick ass technology. It's a much better narrative than a pull down chart.

 

[Pygar2]

No case is truly "compelling" until the White House Lawn one. But the goofy Hill one, Grays supposedly checking to see if a White woman with a Black husband was pregnant? Or Walton's, "Mom, don't worry if I get abducted by aliens!" abduction by aliens?
The number of persons known and proven to have been abducted by aliens is zero. Likewise, the number of UFOs known and proven to be alien spacecraft is zero.
It's good, from time to time, to step back, take a deep breath, and remember that.

 

[SRL+]

But the goofy Hill one, Grays supposedly checking to see if a White woman with a Black husband was pregnant?

They told a famous story about being abducted by space aliens. A new book says it’s really about racism ?

 

[SRL+]

I like the flow of Travis' narrative: being hurt by the ship, taken on board, healed got to hang with the multi-species galactic crew and experienced some real kick ass technology

What is your take on when an abductee is taken aboard some type of saucer which is described in one term, and then once inside the dimensions seem much larger, as it is seemingly the rule and not the exception. It’s like their consciousness it being messed with, or they’re lying, or just totally freaked out.

 

[Burnt State]

This guy doesn’t seem like a bullshiter, but again there’s so many.

I watched the interview with the captain. It is quite the tale from a very serious and straightforward interview subject. Previously, I had read through the primary doctor's notes and of course Vallee's write up on the case back in the day. His interview broadens the case with more layers.

It's interesting to see how local indigenous peoples mythologized it pretty quickly into a folklore construct while science on the ground recognized a definite and unique technology at work and the military saw it as a non human species preparing itself for interaction with our biological life forms. The suicide after the interview lends the story to some kind of experimental bio psyops event, but the descriptions of crafts certainly move it towards flying saucer territory.

The habituating of saucers in an area is really interesting to me, as there's a lot of different examples of UFO's hanging around for periods of time and laying havoc to the populous of small geographical areas. Some of these are astounding, short lived, comical and in the case of Colares, both durational and violent.

 

[Burnt State]

What is your take on when an abductee is taken aboard some type of saucer which is described in one term, and then once inside the dimensions seem much larger, as it is seemingly the rule and not the exception. It’s like their consciousness it being messed with, or they’re lying, or just totally freaked out.

I remember back when abductions had hit something of a fever pitch post-Communion publication there was much discussion on the mystery of the "threshold experience". What was missing from abductee narratives was that moment of moving from our reality and then through the door and into the spaceship. The suggestion was that perhaps the experience was more internal and the product of sleep paralysis and the distorted nightmarish versions of reality that accompany those experiences. If you've never truly gone through sleep paralysis and their intense visions you have no friggin' idea just how absolutely real it all feels. It's not like being in a dream at all - it is far more tangible, ohysically threatening and backed up with an immense amount of sensory detail.

I do think that it is our consciousness that is being overwhelmed by data our biological organism just wasn't meant to take in. Clark talks about how the paranormal experience anomaly takes place outside of reality, in a place and time that is both material and immaterial. He describes it as something we just don't have language to understand what actually is happening. I side with that.

I think the abductee experience is part of a long human tradition of being taken by the little people and experiencing the inexplicable in their realm. Maybe Rip Van Winkle is based on a true story?

In a number of close contact and abduction cases normal sensory perception seems to go all haywire. Not only does it feel for some experiencers that they've just walked into the Tardis from Doctor Who, but the entire sensory experience itself is simply overwhelming for the individual. Many remember passing out and then a large bout of missing time follows. I would cue this Twilight Zone song before any other to go along with such moments.

This music video is 100% UFO experience approved.

 

[Red]

Socorro, Falcon Lake are the ones for me that come to mind. I do like the more recent tic tac incident. I thought Communion was a great book at the time, but I think the recent skepticism regarding abductions/hypnosis is more than warranted. I also have a soft spot for Cash Landrum and the Phoenix Lights, but I'm 100% sure the military was responsible for those.

 

[Burnt State]

Socorro, Falcon Lake are the ones for me that come to mind. I do like the more recent tic tac incident. I thought Communion was a great book at the time, but I think the recent skepticism regarding abductions/hypnosis is more than warranted. I also have a soft spot for Cash Landrum and the Phoenix Lights, but I'm 100% sure the military was responsible for those.

All four of the cases you mention are landmark events in their own unique way.

The most detailed work on Cash Landrum is from Curt Collins on his Blue Blurry Lines site. This has every single critical piece of information regarding The Cash Landrum Case.

It's important as it's one of the UFO injury cases that has exceptional documentation, just like The Falcon Lake Incident. Chris Rutkowski's book, a frequent Paracast guest, is the definitive look at Falcon Lake, as he was buddies with the son of the man blasted by the UFO exhaust port, and I believe it was the inciting incident that set him on the UFO trail early on in life.

Soccoro, like with Michalak, features a human witness that had no reason to lie and drag himself through the mire of skeptical recrimination. Zamora is such an honest witness who had no reason to confabulate his witnessing of non-human intelligences on the ground gathering their samples before heading off in their flying egg. Sure sounds like a visitation from outer space doesn't it?

I remember watching the Phoenix lights on the news when it broke. It was pretty darned stunning. Subsequent interviews with ground witnesses pointed to an enormous object flying overhead. Military experiment or Aliens - that's a toss up for me.

 

[Red]

All four of the cases you mention are landmark events in their own unique way.

I immediately went and got the Chris Rutkowski book. I wish Collins would write one on Cash-Landrum, but I am familiar with his website - good stuff! I remember the chatter about the Phoenix Lights (but I was graduating that year and my energy was focused on trying to survive finals and get my degree). Now that some of the old Art Bell shows are being uploaded to the internet, it's been interesting to listen to the episodes about the Phoenix lights. I think what nailed the Cash Landrum sighting as a military test (for me, anyway) was Rick Doty inserting himself into the lawsuit with claims of aliens.

I'm glad the Brazil sighting was brought up here. It's pretty bonkers and not one I've ever heard of. That's why I enjoy these forums. Somebody usually has something interesting to say that I've not heard before.

 

[Burnt State]

I'm glad the Brazil sighting was brought up here. It's pretty bonkers and not one I've ever heard of. That's why I enjoy these forums. Somebody usually has something interesting to say that I've not heard before.

The only reason I came back here to engage was because I missed the interesting parts of discovery and thought development around anomalous events and experiences. There are still a bunch of new and old questions that I'd like to gain some insight. it seriously bothers the puzzle solving part of my brain to this day. Always has...

I've been listening to and reading about where Nick Redfern is landing regarding the source of paranormality. He is seeing all these experiences of cryptids and UFO's and MIB etc. is all just a mask for some other intelligence that is bursting into our world at will for a variety of possible reasons. I really side with this unified way of thinking about anomalies and different fields of study draw different conclusions about it all.

But really, to this day the whole thing is still beyond us. We are just starting to bring some science to it all but we have no clue what the hell is going on. We stay stuck with a simple paradigm of the trickster, and it can be demonic, and it's got its own reasons for why it messes with us & let's everything from visions, synchronicities, UFO's to monsters be just part of its capacity to insert itself in our world.

Sometimes I feel like I'm just a conscious set of pixels playing out a very minor role inside the equivalent of some non-human intelligence's world building digital app. I wouldn't be surprised if it's like an 8 year old kid just messing around learning "Interspecies Ethics and Alternative Intelligences" or something for a school project.

 

[Red]

The only reason I came back here to engage was because I missed the interesting parts of discovery and thought development around anomalous events and experiences. There are still a bunch of new and old questions that I'd like to gain some insight. it seriously bothers the puzzle solving part of my brain to this day. Always has...

I've been listening to and reading about where Nick Redfern is landing regarding the source of paranormality. He is seeing all these experiences of cryptids and UFO's and MIB etc. is all just a mask for some other intelligence that is bursting into our world at will for a variety of possible reasons. I really side with this unified way of thinking about anomalies and different fields of study draw different conclusions about it all.

But really, to this day the whole thing is still beyond us. We are just starting to bring some science to it all but we have no clue what the hell is going on. We stay stuck with a simple paradigm of the trickster, and it can be demonic, and it's got its own reasons for why it messes with us & let's everything from visions, synchronicities, UFO's to monsters be just part of its capacity to insert itself in our world.

Sometimes I feel like I'm just a conscious set of pixels playing out a very minor role inside the equivalent of some non-human intelligence's world building digital app. I wouldn't be surprised if it's like an 8 year old kid just messing around learning "Interspecies Ethics and Alternative Intelligences" or something for a school project.

I vacillate back and forth all the time on whether something is trying to interact with us or if much of these anomalous experiences are originating from our own brains as hallucinations. And I've had personal experiences that run the gamut of weird shit. Most of mine are pretty tame in comparison to others, but it's a tantalizing glimpse into something for sure. Years back in my first year of college we were playing with the Ouija board and I asked the board something along the lines of how to develop psychic powers or how to be more spiritual. It responded by telling me to "live your life." I was pretty disappointed, but the board was right all along. It's okay to explore these things, but the imperative for me is to stay grounded with the real world.