dianadee13
Skilled Investigator
Dont know if anyones seen this but its worth looking at.
We Become Silent - The Last Days Of Health Freedom
We Become Silent - The Last Days Of Health Freedom
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We become silent - the last days of health freedom
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Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
COVID conspiracy propaganda circulated by those who are mentally deficient or are little sheep who follow the crowd. Bahh Bahh Bahh.
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
More poppycock. It's been 20 years since this film and the Codex remains a voluntary non binding set of principles and none of the predictions made by this piece of propaganda have come true. If anything, access to supplements, natural and otherwise, along with vitamins have exploded as their own industry and people have all the freedom they want to choose to stuff themselves with supplements and vitamins if they like, instead of eating fruits and vegetables to get nutrients the proper way.the comparison of the FDA with nazisim is ridiculous. Our institutions want us to be healthy and stay healthy as opposed to be a drain on the system by being unhealthy and disease ridden.
So drink all the colloidal silver you like (Paracast in joke) amd opt out of what science tells you is good for your body at your own peril. It's been well proven that our bodies simply do not absorb supplements naturally in the way that our biology was designed to extract nutrients through our digestive processes.anyone who has peed out bright yellow excess vitamin C from taking supplements knows what I'm talking about. But for certain in the decades following this doc none of it has come true.
Most of the health propaganda material is totally designed to prey on people's fears, make them distrust science and health institutions and to make them feel that their rights and freedoms are being trampled on. Soon they'll be telling you the Ebola virus doesn't exist and that you have the fundamental right to expose yourself to it if you like. Maybe getting a little bit of Ebola is good for you, gosh darn it!??
BTW the Alliance for Natural Health, that funded this piece of fear mongering, represents the corporate interests of the vitamin and supplements industry - so they are using fear and sketchy science for their own profits really.
None of this has anything to do with science or health at all, it's just a means to make people afraid and trick them our of their money.
The anti-vaxxer movement is really a whole other kettle of of propagandist fish, which is purely about fear and making people distrust institutions, so that they can be more easily manipulated when it comes to voting. That's been a long part of fascism and you can in fact trace back the anti-vaxxer movement deep into fascist history, for wherever fascism goes, measles follows. Those fascists are really big into the whole purity of their body thing.
That doesn't mean that all anti- vaxxers are fascists. All conspiracy theorists have their own reasons for joining the team.Some people just hate doctors and the medical industry, and that's reason enough to turn a blind critical eye to science, and buy into all the bizarre and obvious manipulations of data. It also fuels their whole "I know the truth and you are part of the misinformed" belief system they ride on.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
You just keep beleiving that — I'll go with the actual evidence.
Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
He is going with the evidence you just keep following the sheep and if you can catch one just send me a leg off lamb.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Not exactly — we're both using evidence. Mine is just better.
You'd see that if you applied a little more critical thinking.
You need to dig two to three layers below the superficial comebacks and "fact checks".
Not many people had the time or inclination to do that — but I did.
And BTW — you have the sheep analogy backward.
The sheep are the majority who follow their shepherds ( Institutions, Governments, and MSM ).
The ones who aren't sheep are the individualists who think for themselves — who question authority.
AKA yours truly
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Richard Hawkins
Paranormal Adept
I've watched conspiracy theory.Not exactly — we're both using evidence. Mine is just better.
You'd see that if you applied a little more critical thinking.
You need to dig two to three layers below the superficial comebacks and "fact checks".
Not many people had the time or inclination to do that — but I did.
And BTW — you have the sheep analogy backward.
The sheep are the majority who follow their shepherds ( Institutions, Governments, and MSM ).
The ones who aren't sheep are the individualists who think for themselves — who question authority.
AKA yours truly
Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
What evidence? Supplements and vitamins have exploded in sales in the last twenty years and zero legislation has banned them anywhere and the Codex remains as an advisory body with no binding powers at all. What the heck are you talking about aside from rhetoric?Not exactly — we're both using evidence. Mine is just better.
You'd see that if you applied a little more critical thinking.
You need to dig two to three layers below the superficial comebacks and "fact checks".
Not many people had the time or inclination to do that — but I did.
And BTW — you have the sheep analogy backward.
The sheep are the majority who follow their shepherds ( Institutions, Governments, and MSM ).
The ones who aren't sheep are the individualists who think for themselves — who question authority.
AKA yours truly
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Sure the title is sensationalistic — but the video is good. The pressure against nutritional supplements hasn't stopped, and yes, some supplements aren't allowed on the shelves. . . . Over the past decade, 51% of class I drug recalls in the United States have been for dietary supplements as opposed to pharmaceuticals — some maybe for good reason, but the approvals process and regulations have also been pushing their prices up - up - up to where they're becoming unaffordable. I've been taking them for years and have been following the battle. I've seen shortages and bans — entire shops closed by the authorities because of a labeling technicality on a couple of their products.
And of course we saw other "health freedoms" ( including off-label pharmaceutical treatments ) banned with the COVID measures. The reason that the supplements industry has survived, is because people are wising-up to the dangers of overusing vaccines & other pharmaceuticals. The "Pharma Death Clock" website reports that prescription drugs have killed 605,822 people. I don't recall anyone overdosing on Vitamin C.
FDA Set to Kill Nutritional Supplement Industry; Pharmaceutical Industry Rejoices - Off The Grid News
There is a lot of anti-government rhetoric pouring forth from a variety of sources these days. But the truth is that people are literally beating a dead horse here. For those who study the question closely, it has become more and more apparent that what passes for “government” in today's…
www.offthegridnews.com
A Public Health Threat: The Fallacy of the FDA’s Regulation of Natural Nutritional Supplements
The unfortunate reality of when the government behaves irrationally and with inarguable overwhelmingly negative results, is that it invites endless speculation about the possible reasons why.
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Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
"Global sales for vitamins and nutritional supplements expanded significantly over the last two decades, growing from an estimated $30–$40 billion in the mid-2000s to over $200 billion by 2025, driven by steady annual compound growth rates (CAGR) of roughly 6% to 9.5%. Profit margins remained strong and resilient, seeing sharp acceleration spikes during the COVID-19 pandemic"Sure the title is sensationalistic — but the video is good. The pressure against nutritional supplements hasn't stopped, and yes, some supplements aren't allowed on the shelves. . . . Over the past decade, 51% of class I drug recalls in the United States have been for dietary supplements as opposed to pharmaceuticals — some maybe for good reason, but the approvals process and regulations have also been pushing their prices up - up - up to where they're becoming unaffordable. I've been taking them for years and have been following the battle. I've seen shortages and bans — entire shops closed by the authorities because of a labeling technicality on a couple of their products.
And of course we saw other "health freedoms" ( including off-label pharmaceutical treatments ) banned with the COVID measures. The reason that the supplements industry has survived, is because people are wising-up to the dangers of pharmaceuticals. The "Pharma Death Clock" website reports that prescription drugs have killed 605,822 people.
FDA Set to Kill Nutritional Supplement Industry; Pharmaceutical Industry Rejoices - Off The Grid News
There is a lot of anti-government rhetoric pouring forth from a variety of sources these days. But the truth is that people are literally beating a dead horse here. For those who study the question closely, it has become more and more apparent that what passes for “government” in today's…
A Public Health Threat: The Fallacy of the FDA’s Regulation of Natural Nutritional Supplements
The unfortunate reality of when the government behaves irrationally and with inarguable overwhelmingly negative results, is that it invites endless speculation about the possible reasons why.
What's the number one reason why those recalls take place - because there's no medical science backing their claims so they have to be removed; because unlike vaccines that go through rigorous trials before being used by the public the supplement industry is still filled with a lot of snake oil salesman.
And it looks to me that even during COVID lots of people chose to avoid science and stuffed themselves with supplements because that's their right and they have the freedom to still do, despite the dire fear mongering warnings from this video that claimed those freedoms were going to disappear. You should be thankful that baseless junk is getting pulled from the shelves. That's science at work.
This video has been proven false - case closed.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Not "case closed" — While the video title is sensationalist, the points behind it remain valid, as do the articles I posted.
And the increased sales only show the public is catching-on to the big pharma corruption.
But fine — I'll take a multivitamin and you can get your tenth booster.
BTW: I didn't get so much as a sniffle through the whole pandemic.
I will however concede . . . that the purity standards for nutritional supplements have been shown to vary wildly. So choosing a reputable brand that does its own lab-quality testing is better than taking a chance with one that has who knows what in it. I'm sure you can find lots of dirt on that front. I've seen it too. Some of it is downright disgusting.
Maybe we can agree below ?
Let's not forget that the point was supposed to be about "medical freedom" — Not just the freedom to choose — but the freedom to refuse. People who want a vax should be able to get one, and those who don't, shouldn't be discriminated against. Not being vaxxed doesn't mean a person is a disease carrier any more than being black or Jewish does — and being vaxxed doesn't make anyone morally superior. If we can agree on those points — the rest is just for the sake of having interesting ( if not spirited ) discussion and debate.
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Burnt State
Paranormal Adept
The articles are just part of the same fear mongering that the video promoted 20 years ago. It's the same sensationalism found inside almost every single right wing fear based propaganda YouTube video that's been posted here lately. They are nothing but clickbait, as their political and medical insights are unfounded and ridiculous at best.
As for medical choice, and the freedom to reject science because of religious or similar belief systems, I don't think that's a problem. We already have that. Everyone has a right of refusal unless the profession you've chosen requires you to be healthy and unable to communicate transmissible diseases to other people in your line of work. And if you disagree with those requirements then you're in the wrong profession. Military, social services and front line workers require people to be up to date with their immunology in order to stop the spread of disease, in the same way we require soldiers to be immunized, health staff to be immunized, children in public schools etc. it's just common sense. It stops flu flare ups on military bases and stops measles from being spread amongst communities.
Not everyone has superhuman, robust immune systems and so wearing masks, getting shots and boosters in a time of a pandemic helps to serve the larger whole of our society. Will there be casualties? Of course, there will be casualties - we are all biologically incredibly diverse. I can't get basic scans using iodine injections because I've got blood components that just don't work with that system. But that doesn't mean people should stop getting CT scans because of a minority of problems. The overall good vastly outweighs the minority of rare outliers.
So goes vaccines. That's just reality.
But fear mongering propaganda should not have to be a part of reality. It's extremely dangerous and is part of what causes people to elect dysfunctional dictators and fascists to grind their nation into the ground, removing freedoms of so many, including social instructions like the press, medical science and even science in general, all in the name of supposed freedom.
Those lies of fascism make vulnerable people into hateful people who are even more downtrodden than they were before, while celebrating the loss of rights and even the lives of their neighbors. Newsflash people: transgenderism is not contagious and is not going to cause all teenage boys to want to cut their penises off. Also, I'm not interested in living in any place that tells me the Bible is more factual than scientists who are supposedly wrong all the time. Mic check 1-2, 1-2. This stuff makes me so long winded. Apologies to all.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
You had me onboard right up to the word "unless" — the rest which translates directly to a form of prejudicial bias ( discrimination ).
Also: "safety & effectiveness" are entirely beside the point ( to me ).
I'm a big believer in the individual's uncoerced right to decide what will and won't get injected into their own bodies and those of their children. I mean seriously — you actually trust Big Pharma? Big Government, Big Tech? That would be the biggest admission of ( censored ) yet
Which also reminds me of the big "chill" ( self censoring ) effect on free speech.
You can't seriously believe this is the only platform I've been banned on?
BTW: The resistance needs people like you — with tenacity.
