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Video interview w/ Gary McKinnon(UFO hacker)

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Hello all. Im a new poster here. Been a fan of the show for a while now and decided to get involved here in the disscusion considering that this forum seems to facilitate intelligent debate and conversation (unlike some forums ive seen.) I thought i would share an interesting video i came across with Gary Mckinnon, the british bloke that was charged with hacking into US intelligence files from his computer in search of UFO and free energy source information. although the interview drags on in parts, there are a few very interesting pieces of information that he discusses. check it out, interested to see what yall think

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Yep great vid,

Seen it before but was worth another look. The US government should be ashamed of themselves. Having default blank passwords, and then using an image of the same installation over many machines.

What he did was quite simple. So simple in face it makes me wonder if the machines were left open on purpose. But maybe I am being to kind to US intelligence services.

Also a lot of these personnel log in from home. The departments machines maybe secure, but the home users machine is normally weak. Therefore gain access to the home users machine, and you can gain access to a secure network, because the remote departments machine authenticate you as a genuine user.

What a shame he was on dial up, when he did this! lol
 
He also mentioned that the picture he saw on the government computers showed a large cigar-shaped UFO. David Biedny often mentions having seen a similar craft in Venezuela. Obviously, it's highly unlikely to be the same particular craft - but it could be similar. David & Gene should try to get Gary on the show.
 
For some reason, I just don't believe this guy. I just think he's trying to drum up support by saying he was looking for UFO's. He supposedly hacked into the system a few times, but never got one photo he claims to have seen. He says his dial-up modem was too slow to download the large photos, but he didnt have to download the entire photo - he could have just taken a screen capture of his monitor. I understand he was getting baked while he was hacking, and that was his excuse for not getting any hard evidence. McKinnon seems highly intelligent, but even the most stoned pothead would be able to figure that he could be obtaining some blockbuster photos and evidence and actually got at least one! He says he was influenced by the Disclosure Project but he offers nothing new than what was already said. He suposedly confirms the moon base photos, but in the end its just him saying this and nothing else.
 
idontunderstand said:
What he did was quite simple.
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What he did was also criminal, which he knew at the time he was doing it. I have little to no sympathy for the guy (and no, he won't spend 75 years in prison, as some of his more rabid advocates are saying). I also think that he's using the UFO stuff to try and make himself look like a complete and utter duffer, in the hopes that people will feel sorry for him.

Paul
 
paulkimball said:
What he did was also criminal, which he knew at the time he was doing it. I have little to no sympathy for the guy (and no, he won't spend 75 years in prison, as some of his more rabid advocates are saying). I also think that he's using the UFO stuff to try and make himself look like a complete and utter duffer, in the hopes that people will feel sorry for him.

Paul
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Dont agree with you on this one paul. He gained access to machines with zero security. His motives were seeking of knowledge, not malicious destruction of a computer network.

He basically gave them a free security audit, which would cost them thousands normally. No physical destruction was caused. Also he noted that there were many other foreign hackers on the same system.

If he was an idealogical madmen who spread a malicious virus deliberately to destroy the system i would understand. The US government keeps banging on about security, and how it does everything to stop the nasty terrorists.

But its not smart enough to keep out some one from england with a dial up modem. I feel they want to make an example of him because he has exposed the dreadful nature of the security systems they have. Hire the man, learn from him.

They way they are treating him is disgusting. And completely out of proportion to what he has done. Goliath has been pricked, and he doesn't like it.
 
He says his dial-up modem was too slow to download the large photos, but he didnt have to download the entire photo - he could have just taken a screen capture of his monitor
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Dont forget he was accessing the systems via a remote desktop style program (remotely anywhere, vnc etc). I fixed many of my friends pc problems using these techniques, and even on a fast adsl connection it can be painfully slow.

But remember he was using a 56k modem, with a picture size of 235mb, all coming via the remote desktop software, in other words painfully slow. The picture isn't being downloaded to his system as such, because it is being viewed via the remote application.

So when the application is remotely terminated, bang goes your picture, just like when you pull an aerial on a TV.

Yes he could of used print-screen to capture the image, but when you are using remote desktops you can sometimes forget that you are viewing a remote system, and it doesn't enter your mind to capture the image because you mistake it as local.
 
Thats true but unfortunately, there are still laws that he broke. It's similar to someone leaving their door unlocked and then someone walks in and robs them. That person mught have been careless for leaving their door unlocked, but the other person still was trespassing and stole from them. I guess he didnt do any physical damage or stole anything, so its a lesser charge. I more concerned with the stuff he claims to have seen, as opposed to him getting in trouble. It just seems that he's just a hacker who got busted and used the UFO story for cover and support.


For screen caps, you just have to press a button on your computer and it captures whatever is on your screen. It wouldnt make a difference if hes remotely accessing another computer since you dont even have to download anything for this. Like you said, he could have forgot since he was stoned at the time. Either way, dont you think he would have better prepared himself to get at least on pic or document if he knew exactly what he was getting into in advance? Plus, didnt hack into the system numerous times?
 
DVS said:
Thats true but unfortunately, there are still laws that he broke. It's similar to someone leaving their door unlocked and then someone walks in and robs them. That person mught have been careless for leaving their door unlocked, but the other person still was trespassing and stole from them. I guess he didnt do any physical damage or stole anything, so its a lesser charge. I more concerned with the stuff he claims to have seen, as opposed to him getting in trouble. It just seems that he's just a hacker who got busted and used the UFO story for cover and support.
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Thats just the thing, technically he didn't rob them. He didn't retain any data from them. He accessed and viewed it remotely. Yes it was wrong to access systems he shouldn't of done. But his UFO motivations I believe were genuine.

Cheers!
 
idontunderstand said:
Thats just the thing, technically he didn't rob them. He didn't retain any data from them. He accessed and viewed it remotely. Yes it was wrong to access systems he shouldn't of done. But his UFO motivations I believe were genuine.

Cheers!
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My feeling, however, is that McKinnon didn't use a whole lot of common sense. He should have realized that there were consequences if he got caught. No self-respecting cracker would try anything of this sort without some sort of exit strategy.

Of course, I'm not saying he shouldn't pay for his crime, although I'd think a fine and a suspended sentence ought to be sufficient. From what I'm hearing, he could be in for some pretty nasty time behind bars.
 
Well, he should have robbed them!! :p Seriously, if this guy planned to access areas and computers to get UFO information because he was influenced by the Dislcosure Project, then he should have obtained something! That is what I found the hardest to beleive about his story as it relates to UFO's.
 
DVS said:
Thats true but unfortunately, there are still laws that he broke. It's similar to someone leaving their door unlocked and then someone walks in and robs them. That person mught have been careless for leaving their door unlocked, but the other person still was trespassing and stole from them. I guess he didnt do any physical damage or stole anything, so its a lesser charge. I more concerned with the stuff he claims to have seen, as opposed to him getting in trouble. It just seems that he's just a hacker who got busted and used the UFO story for cover and support.
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Thats just the thing, technically he didn't rob them. He didn't retain any data from them. He accessed and viewed it remotely. Yes it was wrong to access systems he shouldn't of done. But his UFO motivations I believe were genuine.

I think a sentence of 2 years would be enough. In my opinion hes done more good than bad, heres why.

1) Didn't steal data
2) No physical damage
3) Found interesting information regarding possible NASA photos
4) Information regarding Non-terrestrial officers (ambiguous)
5) Exposed shocking NON security in highly classified systems
6) Exposed evidence of foreign elements on the same system

Sorry guys, got some weird kind of double post going on lol.
 
The fact he didnt get anything is exactly what bothers me about his story. Otherwise he's just a hacker and we are really playing into his hands by trying to excuse his actions and get him a lesser sentence. Im not calling for his head or anything but I dont see computers hackers as providing a service to anyone, unless they are hired in an official capacity. I really just dont believe his story and he's just repeating what the Disclosure Project already stated.
 
DVS said:
The fact he didnt get anything is exactly what bothers me about his story. Otherwise he's just a hacker and we are really playing into his hands by trying to excuse his actions and get him a lesser sentence. Im not calling for his head or anything but I dont see computers hackers as providing a service to anyone, unless they are hired in an official capacity. I really just dont believe his story and he's just repeating what the Disclosure Project already stated.
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Fair enough folks, Im not saying im correct. Just putting my opinions forward about this guy.

Cheers!
 
Most defintely, Im not saying I'm right either. We are just expressing our opinions. It's either we beleive him or we don't and I would love to believe him. I'm just skeptic about it.
 
Hacking with dial up, and has nothing to show for it. Priceless. This guy's life is ruined over this it seems. Bummer.

I listened to an X Zone show (I think) with this guy. His story didn't add up to me. Nor did he come across as believable. I wonder if he is just making up the ufo part of it.
 

a different, longer interview with him. He doesn't really seem like a professional hacker or anything to me, just one that was brave, or stupid, enough to try to hack our governments systems.

Its really unfortunate that he could do it so easily.
 
I'm not a believer of McKinnon. The idea that he could blithely walk into top secret computers and easily find UFO data is not believable to me. Despite anyone's opinions about people and government, security in the US Military is not a joke. It's not run by stupid people. It may be exasperating as hell, granted, along with a lot of other negative adjectives, but the best kept secret of all time is not lying around in any old "My Computer" folder on a computer completely open to the Internet and accessible via modem to the entire world. Anything really secret is locked away in a vault you'll never see with highly compartmentalized methods of access. Just the regulations on this stuff would fill a library.

Just as an example, a technician with a secret clearance of his own cannot walk into a top secret communications room without it first being "sanitized." Drapes are put over all other equipment except the target machine, and armed guards stand by while that particular machine is fixed. The technician cannot even see what other equipment is in the room. He effectively has a tunnel to walk through to get to the broken equipment. Said technician is escorted off the premisis before the drapes are pulled down. And that's just for regular top secret stuff--nothing many of us would even consider special.

Although this is off-topic, this is why I don't believe Bob Lazar either. Anyone who has actually worked within the security establishment can verify this.
 
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