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atomic_annie

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Hi. I just registered here but could someone please tell me what the criteria is that qualifies someone as a ufologist or UFO expert? The only reason why I am asking is because it seems like the vast majority of those who write on this subject on the internet or who have published books on this subject do not indicate that they themselves have ever even seen one!

I'm sorry but when it comes to topics like this, I can't see how anyone can believe that UFOs exist (or aliens, for that matter) unless they themselves have seen one on a first hand basis. :confused:
 
atomic_annie said:
Hi. I just registered here but could someone please tell me what the criteria is that qualifies someone as a ufologist or UFO expert? The only reason why I am asking is because it seems like the vast majority of those who write on this subject on the internet or who have published books on this subject do not indicate that they themselves have ever even seen one!

I'm sorry but when it comes to topics like this, I can't see how anyone can believe that UFOs exist (or aliens, for that matter) unless they themselves have seen one on a first hand basis. :confused:
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Well, Annie, anybody can all themselves an expert on anything. I think the best indication of who is an expert in the UFO field can be made by looking at the person's track record and in general what the UFO community thinks of that person. The UFO community can be brutal to those it loses faith in.

The Paracast forum is a great place to get the skinny on such 'experts'. This is a tough crowd here when it comes to shaking out the 'good' from the 'bad' experts.

But, as far as believing in UFOs without having seen one -- hmm, in that case I guess I cannot believe in black holes or the giant squid. Reasonable people can believe in anything that has evidence of its existence. It is the preponderance of evidence that led me to believe in the existence UFO's, whatever they may be, long before I ever saw one.

And, Welcome to The Paracast forum!
 
Its a complicated process that takes a long time in serious study. Even longer that medicine in fact.

A good start is to head to the ExoPolitics Institute in Italy and study under such luminaries as Paola Harris, Alfred Webre and Michael Salla.

Then, and ONLY THEN, can you call NASA out for irresponsibly bombing the Moon and pissing off the alien inhabitants of said Moon.
 
I'm a self-procaimed expert on ex-spurts. Based on my professional opinion, they are ALL examples of something.
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Hi all, I just walked in and am reading over your comments now. Lol, should have logged off here after my post because I was just out the door. Thanks again for all of your responses and will comment on each one as the evening goes by. :)
 
atomic_annie said:
Hi all, I just walked in and am reading over your comments now. Lol, should have logged off here after my post because I was just out the door. Thanks again for all of your responses and will comment on each one as the evening goes by. :)
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Annie is back in town.
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bobheck said:
Well, Annie, anybody can all themselves an expert on anything. I think the best indication of who is an expert in the UFO field can be made by looking at the person's track record and in general what the UFO community thinks of that person. The UFO community can be brutal to those it loses faith in.

The Paracast forum is a great place to get the skinny on such 'experts'. This is a tough crowd here when it comes to shaking out the 'good' from the 'bad' experts.

But, as far as believing in UFOs without having seen one -- hmm, in that case I guess I cannot believe in black holes or the giant squid. Reasonable people can believe in anything that has evidence of its existence. It is the preponderance of evidence that led me to believe in the existence UFO's, whatever they may be, long before I ever saw one.

And, Welcome to The Paracast forum!
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Hello bobheck. I'm here because I've seen a UFO too and I'm not just talking about a zig-zagging dot in the sky either -- but once again, I can't see how anyone can truly believe that such things exist without having seen one themselves.

However, it's my guess that you really did not come to terms with the veracity of this phenomenon until you actually saw one yourself too -- right?

In short, I think that it's the kind of thing that one has to experience themselves to truly believe in and anyone out there who's trying to pass themselves off as an expert in this field who does not indicate that they themselves have even seen one is... in my humble opinion, a literary opportunist of one sort or another.

Just my .02 on this and I'm sorry if I've offended anyone.
 
Gareth said:
Its a complicated process that takes a long time in serious study. Even longer that medicine in fact.

A good start is to head to the ExoPolitics Institute in Italy and study under such luminaries as Paola Harris, Alfred Webre and Michael Salla.

Then, and ONLY THEN, can you call NASA out for irresponsibly bombing the Moon and pissing off the alien inhabitants of said Moon.
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Hi Gareth,

I think that anyone who is a serious researcher in this field needs to keep up to date with what ever information is shared by those "luminaries" you are mentioning here. All of them offer much food for thought and even though they are sometimes at an extreme end of a continuum in this field, I appreciate their point of view and am thankful that they are sharing what ever information they have on the UFO/ET phenomenon freely with us on the internet. We are very fortunate in this regard.
 
atomic_annie said:
In short, I think that it's the kind of thing that one has to experience themselves to truly believe in and anyone out there who's trying to pass themselves off as an expert in this field who does not indicate that they themselves have even seen one is... in my humble opinion, a literary opportunist of one sort or another.
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Well, I think it lends a bit of objectivity to the subject when you have not seen one. I mean what have you and countless others actually seen?? And have you ever second guessed yourself that what you may have saw (or any number of others) is a powerful product of your brain and any number of interactions of the nearby environment?? Or that they may be a delusion?? Or whatever?? Perhaps it is the interpretation of what is experienced by the observer that is in question.

I'm not saying that is neccessarily true, but if you have no bias as having seen one it may help a researcher stay objective to a degree. On the other hand I'm quite confident that some "researchers" don't give a crap and would rather just sell books or become that opportunist speaker.

But there are lots of things I've never seen that I believe is true. I think Australia exists. I've seen pictures. Some people here claim to be from there. It probably exists. I've also experienced deja vu. It certainly seemed like I had played out the exact same sequence at some other point in time. So did I really experience something in a different moment in time or is this some weird glitch in my brain?? I hope you get my point and take it for what its worth.

Either way I still find the topic of great interest. Whatever is actually happening, the phenomenon is real. What the phenomenon means is a different story. I can imagine that there are real engimatic phenomenon that exist in our universe that we couldn't even possibly begin to imagine. Oxymoron, I know. Hope I made some kind of sense, I'm starting to lose myself.

"Expert" labeling is used very loosely and I never put much credence in that label. Some definitely know a lot more than others, but the term is almost a warning sign depending on who is using it, that they probably aren't an "expert". An expert would really know what the hell is going on. "Student" seems a more reasonable amd honest word, but what kind of people want to listen to a UFO "student"??
 
atomic_annie said:
Hi Gareth,

I think that anyone who is a serious researcher in this field needs to keep up to date with what ever information is shared by those "luminaries" you are mentioning here. All of them offer much food for thought and even though they are sometimes at an extreme end of a continuum in this field, I appreciate their point of view and am thankful that they are sharing what ever information they have on the UFO/ET phenomenon freely with us on the internet. We are very fortunate in this regard.
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Oh shit.

Well, I guess you had no way of knowing. I was totally not being serious.

Like, TOTALLY.

:p
 
TClaeys said:
Well, I think it lends a bit of objectivity to the subject when you have not seen one. I mean what have you and countless others actually seen?? And have you ever second guessed yourself that what you may have saw (or any number of others) is a powerful product of your brain and any number of interactions of the nearby environment?? Or that they may be a delusion?? Or whatever?? Perhaps it is the interpretation of what is experienced by the observer that is in question.

I'm not saying that is neccessarily true, but if you have no bias as having seen one it may help a researcher stay objective to a degree. On the other hand I'm quite confident that some "researchers" don't give a crap and would rather just sell books or become that opportunist speaker.

But there are lots of things I've never seen that I believe is true. I think Australia exists. I've seen pictures. Some people here claim to be from there. It probably exists. I've also experienced deja vu. It certainly seemed like I had played out the exact same sequence at some other point in time. So did I really experience something in a different moment in time or is this some weird glitch in my brain?? I hope you get my point and take it for what its worth.

Either way I still find the topic of great interest. Whatever is actually happening, the phenomenon is real. What the phenomenon means is a different story. I can imagine that there are real engimatic phenomenon that exist in our universe that we couldn't even possibly begin to imagine. Oxymoron, I know. Hope I made some kind of sense, I'm starting to lose myself.

"Expert" labeling is used very loosely and I never put much credence in that label. Some definitely know a lot more than others, but the term is almost a warning sign depending on who is using it, that they probably aren't an "expert". An expert would really know what the hell is going on. "Student" seems a more reasonable amd honest word, but what kind of people want to listen to a UFO "student"??
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TClaeys,
Thanks for your comments! Have been out of town for the past week hence why I could not respond earlier.

I found your comments about your deja vu experience very interesting -- and because you had that experience, it allowed you to KNOW with much more certainty than before that the deja vu phenomenon is very real and not just in one's imagination. Whereas prior to that I'm sure you thought this phenomenon was purely psychological where you never thought of it as something that could be paraphysical also.

Having said this though, I can't see that your personal experience with that phenomenon, has caused you to be less objective when evaluating those accounts by others who have also had the same experience. If anything, I would think that one would have to have had such an experience themselves to truly understand it and know what it's like.

So this brings us back to what I was saying before in regards to UFOs. I think it's the same thing here too and like anything else, one has to see and experience it themselves to truly believe that the phenomenon exists with 100% certainty. And by 100% certainty, that's exactly what I mean.

As for your other comments in your post, I think we're pretty much on the same page. :)
 
Having seen UFO's on multiple occasions, and having read volumes of the literature available on the subject, I can honestly tell you that I am less of an expert now than when I began.
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Gareth said:
Oh shit.

Well, I guess you had no way of knowing. I was totally not being serious.

Like, TOTALLY.

:p
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Hi Gareth,
I've always found Dr. Salla's writings very informative but this is not to say that I agree with his point-of-view on everything he writes about. I'm just saying that I'm grateful that he continues to publish his writings on-line because whatever he has to say about anything is not only thought provoking but often times very entertaining too! :)
 
atomic_annie said:
Hi Gareth,
I've always found Dr. Salla's writings very informative but this is not to say that I agree with his point-of-view on everything he writes about. I'm just saying that I'm grateful that he continues to publish his writings on-line because whatever he has to say about anything is not only thought provoking but often times very entertaining too! :)
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Wellll, how do I put this gently? Michael Salla heads up the Exopolitics Institute which grants certificates in Galactic Diplomacy (http://www.exopoliticsinstitute.org/certificates/index.htm.) In other words, you can study to be an ambassador to extra-terrestrials, who will be here any minute. He is very involved in the 'Disclosure Movement,' which itself is a Cargo Cult (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult) that is just short of building a UFO landing strip for the vanguard party of diplomats from Orion. The Disclosure Movement, in all its incarnations, is not well thought of here, I think it is fair to say.
 
skunkape said:
How Calvinist!
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How did you know?

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