In (Pt.1) you stated:” It was an entirely spectacular event with multiple witnesses. The images have not entirely left my brain yet, with many details and sequences still easily accessible from that night.”
Witnesses: yourself, (9yrs. old) and the babysitter’s daughter (high school).
Third person, frustrated friend leaves, walks 175’feet across the field, and into the babysitter’s home, leaving the two witnesses.
Crossing the field to the house shouldn’t have taken anytime at all, perhaps a minute or so.
You are predisposed to a saucer sighting, as you were most likely very impressionable.
“At one point in time she stands her foot on the puck and i'm whacking at it like what's going on - let's play i say. When i look at her she has got her neck craned upwards and when i look at what she sees I know why. Two circular, metallic saucer shaped crafts with multi coloured lights on the perimeter of the ships are descending towards us.”
The saucers are now directly overhead and there is no way you could have known in what direction the saucers approach was from, although you were able to view their departure paths.
But now you have changed your account in (Pt.2) to: “ I think i described that at the moment i looked up at the babysitter's face and looked in the direction that she was looking i saw two craft approaching from the NNE with one craft further behind and higher up in the air while the other one was moving towards us and descending”
In changing your account, you have determined that the saucer(s) approach was from the NNE, in suggesting that both saucers arrived from the NNE, and then departed in a northerly direction. From what you have described earlier, and in measured response I say, how can you conceivably know this?
“I remember the people in the babysitter's house who had their dining room window open a bit, call out, "hey look at that, get the binoculars."
Once again, your sketch depicts two individuals in the babysitter’s home looking thru the window, calling out “get the binoculars.” However, you claim there was no one at the window, although the window was open in sub-freezing temperatures. By your own description the saucer(s) were at an altitude of 70’feet, and I absolutely know as fact by your own description, (and of Google Earth), that it was less than 65’feet away from the babysitter’s back window. Again, why would anyone, unless legally blind, need binoculars in order to view a craft that is over 25’feet in diameter that close?
I am a little surprised that you haven’t taken my lead in going to Google Earth to see what I have been attempting to point out.
So the quote below is not entirely accurate, as this narrative becomes fuzzier with additional contradictions and inconsistencies.
“ It was an entirely spectacular event with multiple witnesses. The images have not entirely left my brain yet, with many details and sequences still easily accessible from that night.”
I truly have enjoyed spending several hours on this already, traveling around your block twice via Google Street View, and Google Earth, taking measurements whilst swooping over your neighbor’s homes, and your luscious green field. I am intimately familiar with the babysitter’s home located at 79 Indiana Drive and have visited your home, located around the corner on Illinois Avenue. I will go as far as to say that I can picture within my mind, in the moments which you have describe, as almost being there. And that’s why I believe that this event could never have physically taken place, in the way that you have continued to present it as. If your desire is some type of closure or conformation, suggested is the location of the babysitter’s daughter, who once upon a time had the tendency to torment you.
I am pleased that you are not upset, as you shouldn’t be, when someone takes the time in attempting to help someone else understand what they may, or may not have experienced.
Ok, here's the thing, as Dave Biedny would often say. You are selecting these individual quotes and using these as a measure up against each other, when really, we're just scraping aspects of the event, getting little pieces here and there. To capture it in its fullest i would need to write out a much more detailed and lengthy remembering. What you may see as contradictions, are for me just the narrative extending more to the fullness of what happened. From the time I look at the babysitter to see what she is seeing i am seeing two circular craft descending. They descend together at the same rate, one closer to us than the other as seen in the varying sizes of the two craft. I think from the moment that they were first seen i think i would describe them as the size of a quarter, if you were to hold a quarter at arm's length and look up in the sky with it. They continue to descend synchronously and then suddenly one ship stops and hovers further away from us. It's maybe the size of a two to three inch diameter while the other one continues to descend towards us getting bigger and bigger, silent, with lights. The other one remains in the back hovering.
Now one is descending towards us, and stops at what i estimated to be one and half to two utility pole heights above us. As it was descending, like the binoculars comment, i also distinctly remember saying to myself as it was lowering, and i was transfixed, "ok this is it. they're going to take us up. it's going to happen." Now how i come up with that thought can only be from my time spent watching
In Search Of and reading the various sci fi and ufo books from my grade school library. But i wanted to note that thought, as i don't think i captured that thought above in any of the other descriptions.
Because when i say that i still remember the details of the event, i remember the fragments that i've got. i don't think it would be accurate to say that i have a full and complete continuous set of memories from start to finish. for example, when i think about seeing the craft, i remember very much the formations that they took, the various movements and paths through the air, from descending to hovering, to cruising along the back line of houses, to hovering above the tree and garage, while the other one stayed up higher and at one point must have moved along with it to the back of the field as I remember the two of them moving towards each other closer the two flying synchronously towards the corner store. But i can't complete remember those actions from the tops of the field until they went to the corner store, and then hung there above the highway for quite some time and then whoosh, straight up to the sky. I don't remember what happened as i ran from the ice rink to my home, if i went through the babysitter's backyard and down the street or through the path that lead from the south end of the field to my street illinois. i just remember specifically running onto my lawn and then into the front door exclaiming at my mom, then my dad comes in and i retell the entire story from start to finish to them. As a 35 year old memory it's an assemblage of fragments, including snatches from the game itself, especially my friend getting all huffy and heading into the house. how long did i play with the babysitter, it wasn't long before she put her foot on the puck? didn't we play with an orange ball, or did we have a puck that night? I distinctly remember her boot flat on a puck and stepping on it firmly as i'm whacking away with it with my stick wondering what's going on, and then i look up...
So for me the pathway is clear - they came from the NNE and then returned that way and then shifted to a NNW westerly direction towards the corner store and then they went up and continued in that NNW then just straight up as two tiny points of light and then nothing. I ran. I remember those pieces. I've not changed the storyline. It's just that the parts i've told are not all of the continuous details that you may be looking for, or for mirrored details as with the sketch. As pointed out previously, the sketch is only an impression of events and in no way accurately portrays flight path, angle, size and certainly not perspective.
As for the size of the object and the binocular comment. I don't know what to tell you except that it's not that uncommon in a hot house heated by a fireplace or wood stove to open up the window and let some cold air in, especially after the adults have been smoking for a while - those to me are all reasonable reasons for why the window may have been open (i do have this specific memory of the window being open though if i really try to recall it as the memory sees it - the window to the right of the door is open in my mind. in my mind i still see people there - a man, a woman, and someone else in the background. Did i look at the window at some point, after the ships left? I'm not sure. I just have that image of the people in the window, hearing them at various points, and the window is partially open as i can see the vertical line shifted to the right of the frame. Why do they need binoculars? Well, perhaps in fact the ship we are seeing is not the ship that they are seeing, perhaps they are looking at the ship further back and higher up? I don't know as i did not see what they saw, but that's the only thing i could think of to help explain that inconsistency. The other thing that we know about sightings though is that no two witnesses may be in complete agreement with what is seen. Why this is i could not say. i just do know that seeing them (UFO's) is a strange experience and that in some cases it has had a strange effect or impact on people. i don't think i've had any strange impact on my person, outside of a healthy addiction to UFO lore and yapping about it on the forum like other guys in their mid-forties who saw something strange when they were younger that hasn't left them yet.
I think though, that there are some instructive points here: memories that are old are problematic - i know i don't have the full details of the event - certainly not 100%, there are even sequences missing, like running home, but the memories i have are the ones that i'm providing here and they are what they are. So from the best of what i recall that's what happened. The ufo witness has only got the details that they've got and i've got confirmation of little except a weird pattern on the roof of a garage and a tree that looked burnt. When estimating the size of the craft i'm also using the roof radial chunk as i remember it, which when one thinks about radiant heat, it is more than likely the craft is actually smaller than what i estimated from the burn pattern size on the shingles as it was up much higher and perhaps the affected area was much bigger than the size of the ship itself. Now that i think about it this is evident in the burning of the tree as the ship was just above the tree or near it's top and near it and above part of the garage. It must have radiated out to the tree - perhaps my estimation of 25' is not accurate - maybe 20' or less. Either way, if people called for binoculars, which they did, they were obviously not seeing what we sere seeing above us. There may have been obstruction in fact blocking their viewing this ship. But what i do know is that i don't have it all present in my mind, just these pieces.
i'm open to continue, if you feel there is more to squeeze out of it. i think i already mentioned above somewhere that the thoughts in my mind as the ship that was close to us hovered over the tree and garage, were that i was thinking there was some kind of inspection of the inhabitants of the people in that house. But that was just another random thought and probably offered up because i had an association with that house already. i remember asking B.W. if he had seen it that night as sometimes he stayed over in the bedroom that we were climbing into, but i believe he said that he wasn't there that night, i think.
