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DissectionStalker

Paranormal Adept
Dreams are fleeting. If you don't record these within minutes, then these usually disappear into nothingness.

Some of us think we are sometimes manifesting or calling and tuning into some of our paranormal or UFO experiences from perhaps the collective unconscious. The Jungian or Holographic Earth or other ideas. But, what most of us don't really know is how sensitive you are as a person to tap into this? It can be so random and infrequent. What if we could do this much more often and possibly consistently. Here's an experiment to try, and then report back here what you found out so we can learn from everyone.

Dreams are often said to manifest our unconscious connections. Do dreams connect directly into the collective unconscious and holographic concepts of connection too? We can ask our mind to solve problems when we sleep too, and, often, we can get solutions too.

I found that listening to Paracast while sleeping is starting to connect their ideas and conversations directly into my dreams. This morning I awakened with the memory of such dreaming that was very powerful, and I'm now thinking I'm very sensitive to "dream inventions" while listening to interesting audio during sleep.

Think of the power and insight this might give us about what interests us regarding the paranormal or UFO's or ???

I suggest getting a tape recorder or pen/paper next to your bedside to record upon awakening any dreams that are being associated with any "audio programming" that interests you to playback while sleeping. Loop playback is best, imo, because it needs to be received into the brain at the right moment.

Have you done this already? It would be interesting to share what we might possibly accomplish by doing this. Please report back what you know already or any dream experiment results you get after doing this.

PLEASE offer some ideas how we might use this technique to test for certain paranormal outcomes or learning, etc.

I'll report back my ideas and results, but I'm hoping many will want to try this and theorize and pontificate about it too.

Thanks for giving this a try, and let us know what you learned about this.
 
Well, I'm convinced now I'm highly influenced by listening to audio directly affecting my dreams, and in many (most?) instances my dream is altering the story being told on the audio in real time. Also, it's inputting ideas of recent listening while awake too.

Two Examples from Paracasts:

1) Chris was talking about his trip to LA and going out on a boat and being surrounded by thousands of dolphins, etc. I heard the story within 12 hours of sleeping.

Dream Effects:

I dream about going down a hillside to the water's edge. I see a large fin begin to surface in the water swimming directly towards me. As it gets closer and veers to the left, I see it is a dolphin now slowly swimming sideways to me then turning going into a current sort of upstream. Its eyes are visible to me, so I call out to the dolphin to tell it how beautiful and wonderful it is. I'm waving gesturing for it to return to me. I want to visit with it and see it longer. I'm attracted to the water and seem to fall in. It's seems as if I'm in a very wide river and the current is taking me in the direction away from the dolphin, but the dolphin comes around to swim next to me. I have drifted away from the river's bank going downstream fairly quick from my entry point, it may be taking into the ocean, so I swim back not wanting to go too far away downstream in order to easily hike back to where I went in. The shoreline is rather rugged. The dolphin kindly escorts me to the shoreline until I safely get out. I have some non-verbal pleasantries shared along the way, seeing it sideways with its eyes, though I'm sure I voiced it too and a goodbye.

The dream continues pleasantly along, and I find a nice wide man-made trail that goes alongside a wooded neighborhood. A dog and bicyclist are riding on the trail. It's a beautiful locale and setting, and I decide I need to consider moving there and to explore it further.

(I think that concept imagery comes from a visit to the Seattle area with park, gardens, walking trails, and water there. I don't know. But I am a cyclist and have a dog and enjoy those kinds of settings, so it is a kind of ideal for me to be in. I once seriously considered moving there.)

2) Now, here's a funny dream that goes in real time with the audio that is playing:

During the interview with Greg Bishop he is asked which ET-UFO sightings he would want to see. Greg immediately laughs and says one would be where the ET-UFO "guy" comes and prepares that farmer the buckwheat pancake breakfast. Meanwhile, I'm dreaming of my best friend when I was a young adult, and he comes into a room all excited telling me he's found or got something that's a big surprise that we have to go to, so my dream shifts to going to eat the pancakes. I get so excited eating the pancakes with him that I'm awakened from the dream. Awakening with perfect timing I hear Greg and the gang Chris/Gene joking about the scene which was in my dream in real time going along with Greg's commentary altered as such.

Hmmm... This may be a very powerful tool for me to explore ideas and experiments, since I'm so susceptible to audio affecting my dreams.
 
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I'm not sure how listening to highly speculative conversations about these phenomena would lead to insight by way of the subconscious mind. But--it could prove to be an interesting experiment.

I'm sort of a C.G. Jung groupie and believer in the connectedness between the subconscious mind and our dreams. Although, I don't think all dreams are equally numinous. Some seem no more than a sort of knackered knockoff of the day's events, others much more powerful.
 
I'm not sure how listening to highly speculative conversations about these phenomena would lead to insight by way of the subconscious mind. But--it could prove to be an interesting experiment.
I'm asking for people to learn how their dreams are effected by something they're highly interested in. Report here please.

Since we are interested in Paracast shows, I noticed by accident when asleep while the audio played on loop mode my dreams were quite enhanced and dreamed its own story about what I was hearing. Just look at my 2 dream reports integrating Paracast ideas into my "dream stories" just what I was listening to in real time or earlier that day. I'm amazed my dream state is doing this AND heightening my memory of the dreams too! That's not very common in my experience to remember dreams so well, when not being stimulated by Paracast audio [or something you're interested in too].

This is a clue as to how highly susceptible we are in our dreams to outside inputs/audio in subjects we're interested in. Is it going to be a big leap that some people might be seeing 'waking dream' visions at night if these can easily get into our sleeping dream states to be imaged too; just simply from listening to audio in our sleep?

For example, BurntState had all kinds of sleep walking and waking dreams at a young age, so is it very surprising he might have had a waking dream at age 10 at night? He was filling this mind and imagination with an UNBELIEVABLE amount of ET-UFO books he was reading. He was highly impressionable and susceptible to unusual dream/sleep states too.

All I'm suggesting is our minds are absorbing this kind of information into our unconscious, and are also definitely feeding it back into elevated/heightened dreaming too. Just look how susceptible I am to this too.
 
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Think I understand a little better now what you are investigating. The connection between events unfolding in our dreams and concurrent outside info (if I understand properly)--should be interesting to see how the two interrelate.

The ones that have blown me away, although I haven't experienced it in a long time, are dreams involving a long chain of events leading up to a particular sound, such as a ringing phone. And then, of course, one awakens from the ringing dream phone to find the room phone is ringing away. How has the mind retroactively integrated the real phone into the dream narrative? Or did the dream narrative actually know the phone was going to ring? !

Looking forward to results of your experiment.
 
I was a reasonable hypnotic subject, and the experience of being hypnotised is quite unusual, and very discernible subjectively from your usual state. Also there was no doubt whatsoever that my mind was producing quite distinct images from the two time periods that I purportedly lived in the past.
Look how powerful this technique worked for you. It's not a big leap to consider what repeating hypnotic audio while your sleeping might do too!

Now, why is it such a big leap to think we might experience waking dreams too? If you fast and/or don't sleep for long, then you will begin to have waking dreams or seeing things with your eyes open. That proves we have some altered states while having one's eyes open to see things, and these are more often than not what interests us or fears us the most.

On the extreme side people with brain abnormalities can see and hear things all the time. This often happens with people on a temporary basis too, especially, as children or teens. People can grow out of it with aging.

Based on all of the above, I think it is highly likely we can have waking dreams or see things that are "real" for short periods of time, AND then we can return to normal brain function too. The military sure as hell knows much about this, and so do the private contractors too! There are unregulated "out of uniform" private citizens that know of these powers. Isn't that just a wonderful thought? We are at their mercy, but people will always abuse and test [often covertly] every weapon invented.
 
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I cannot say I have listened to the Paracast on a looped segment at night but I have done that with other materials. I found that if anything, it dulled my normally vivid and informative "dream life."
 
I have manifested two powerful UFO dreams within the last month. Both dreams were mainly flight and design demonstrations that illustrated the flight characteristics and design shapes of high-tech looking UFO's that most people would think are of ET origin. I had the sense these were of military origin rather than ET, as if I was seeing a demonstration of flight and design features. Of course, I'm into top secret military craft that are flown "under cover" so people believe these are ET-UFO's. I definitely believe the military has created a whole "mythology cult" beginning in 1947 that is now a religion to many people that believe in this. It is an amazing ET-UFO belief system that obviously Hollywood makes tens to hundreds of billions on every year too. Whether Hollywood knows it or not, many do know imo, it is a vital part of the MIC planned mytholgy.

Another thread that is very interesting about manifesting your dreams into real life was posted by Wade Ridsdale. Check this out:

In which Wade's phone tells him "There is no spoon". | The Paracast Community Forums

This guy can manifest his dream life into real life experiences. I bet Wade could dream UFO's into real life too. Probably many people can do this spontaneously uncontrolled with no way to know their mind is producing and projecting that UFO reality onto the "sky screen" outside their body.

Spontaneous DMT release and uncontrolled Kundalini may be causes too.

Here is what Wade wrote about blending his dream life into waking life to form his reality: "The thing is in this case I think I was so overboard that I carried the dream aspects over into my waking life. What I mean is as I woke up I was trying to work out my morning schedule to see a friend who was sick and to see him before I went to work then I realized my friend wasn’t sick, actually I lost touch with him some time ago, there was no plans to contact him but I now remembered I had dreamt it. My next thought was that I had to pick up my truck before I went to work because it was in the shop when I realized it was not in the shop I had dreamt that as well. This was of course after altering the fact that it wasn’t a jeep that was being repaired it was a pickup .Lastly I was about to go out and get some coffee and bagels for breakfast when I realized I didn’t need to do so because I went grocery shopping the night before THEN I thought I had probably dreamed it and I did need to go out to the bagel shop. I got halfway there… a short two block walk… when I told myself “Wade you really DID get groceries last night, it was not a dream.” True enough I did, so I turned around and went back , I had just started measuring the coffee when I realized I couldn’t determine if I THOUGHT I went out to get coffee and bagels or I had dreamt it the evening before, this was merely minutes after I had actually done it

I then had a panic attack, my very first ever. I literally slumped down in a chair, held my head in my hands and thought these very words (no joking) “Wade, what DID you DO?” “You’re broken, you broke yourself” I pretty much spent the next couple of hours going online and trying to find out, what I was experiencing. I don’t have a particularly stressful life and there is no history of mental instability in my family, after a bit I calmed down decided what I needed was some distractions and there was nothing as distracting as going to work so I did and the rest of the day was uneventful and as of this date I have yet to experience anything remotely like this episode."
 
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Dear Stalker

You are talking about things you can do as well as things everyone does. Whether or not you know it you astrally travel. I have reported about being taken astrally to a place in another dimension by an adept who said it was Aleister Crowley's favorite Lake - in Switzerland. I think I put this here under Bi-Location (Pythagoras and Padre Pio) or De-Materialization comments I have made which are in various threads here..

You dream in color I imagine - a sign of intelligence they say. You can think of a problem before you go to sleep and get an answer from your sleep state - or do it via yoga in what is called soft focus meditation. I don't do a lot of things I used to do, and some of them are ingrained in what happens to me now. I used to do what I think is now called Portalling and Lucid Dreaming. I gave a brief explanation on another thread which includes visualizing a mirror or the back of your hand and following it as you drift off to sleep - then walk through any mirror.

Sometimes I awaken in an alternate self state or place which I know I go to often. I did this before hearing about whoever promotes this altered state, nowadays - is it Philip Dick who you mentioned some of my stories sound like they may come from. Is this an extension of Quantum Jumping - which may come from a fusion of Castaneda and Silva - both of which I studied.

There have been times when I look forward to the dream state place I go and meet familiar people there, more than I do in the real world. It is most special when you meet someone from the dream state in this reality. Sartre said "Love is absent space". I have been that close with many of my soul-mates.

Here is someone on a site asking a question about my work directed to a person named Golda.

http://forum.wingmakers.co.uk/viewto...516&start=1850



Golda here is an interesting article about bi-location, let me know if you have already seen it.
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BI-LOCATION (PADRE PIO & PYTHAGORAS):

- I have some experience with an even more 'fantastic' occurrence that ties in with dematerialization. Some approaches to the Bermuda Triangle might even be part of a dimensional shift and the time/worm hole science, which String Theorists and chaos science are able to provide arcane formulations to prove.

My own experience is not a physical 'bi-location' so it would have astral or other simpler connections. Still, what the difference is between physical and metaphysical might be a large part of the whole reality we are struggling to conceptualize. Whether we call it 'The Theory of Everything' like Stephen Hawking and Einstein or the Unified Force Field of Tesla and Michael Faraday we are treading in some truly exotic territory. Though that is true, there are many exotic realities to be considered and 'denial' isn't a river in Egypt. That is one of the places that Pythagoras (born to at least one acknowledged Phoenician) went to learn some very amazing things from the Pyramid. There are numerous people who reported upon his 'bi-location' experiences. These same people are considered credible when they report other things. Michael Grant is arguably the top modern classical history scholar and he writes that Pythagoras had some 'weird' ideas, even as he acknowledges he knows little about the things that were understood so well by and about a sage who affected all areas of life in his time. He reports these stories as fairly as can be expected for a person who has no basis to judge such things. The idea of 'bi-location' certainly is 'weird' but so are parallel universes, dark matter, intelligent design, cold fusion and a whole host of genetic, robotic and other scientific realities starting with computers which are about to include quantum teleporting gates.

For those who want a little more insight to Pythagoras and the Pythagorean Brotherhood we have an entry under Croton. The issue of 'bi- location' itself relates to a variety of other concepts and mysteries but if it is a purely physical experience it might involve time and dimensional shifts, both.

"After Saint Therese Neumann, Padre Pio {Carmelites are very psychic Christians whose learning may include the things of Enoch and Jasher, which sadly were removed from the Bible.} is perhaps the most widely observed Western saint to demonstrate divine powers of healing and regeneration. The first signs of his extraordinary qualities occurred unexpectedly on September 20, 1918. Then a 31-year-old Capuchin monk, Padre Pio was sitting alone in the monastery chapel, praying after mass. Outside, Padre Leone heard a scream within the chapel and ran in to find Padre Pio lying unconscious on the floor, bleeding profusely from the five wounds of the stigmata.

Several monks carried him to his room, where he begged them to keep his condition a secret. But word spread. The Church quickly put a ban of silence on Padre Pio, concerned that this untested monk might be manifesting symptoms of hysteria. He was forbidden to write or speak in public--'yet over the next five decades, Padre Pio would prove to be one of the most remarkable Western saints in history.'

Like Saint Therese Neumann, Padre Pio bore for his entire life wounds of the stigmata that never healed. And thousands of individuals - from ordinary Italian peasants and fellow clerics to high public officials and pilgrims from around the world - witnessed and testified to his powers of telepathy, prophecy, bilocation, levitation {Like Theresa de Avila and John of the Cross}, and healing.

Although Padre Pio never left the city of San Giovanni Rotondo, Italy, in his last 50 years, he often appeared to those in need far from his physical body--to teach, admonish, comfort, and heal. Numerous testimonies, by telegram, letter, telephone transcript, and personal declaration, document Padre Pio's long-distance appearances in places he never visited--throughout Italy, Austria, Uruguay, and even in Milwaukee, where Padre Pio admitted appearing on June 25, 1950, to attend the death of a fellow monk's father. When asked about his ability to appear in two places, Padre Pio replied, 'If Christ multiplied the loaves and fishes, why cannot he multiply me?'

And the fragrance of violets that often emanated from him also often manifested to those who prayed to him and was noticed by witnesses in those places where he had miraculously appeared. {Isis meditators also are able to smell the flowers she loved. The spiritual world can affect sensitive people in all sensory areas, to be sure.}

His miraculous healing powers were demonstrated beyond any doubt - he cured many illnesses deemed incurable and, on more than one occasion, restored sight to the blind. His most well-documented, and astonishing, case of healing involved a little blind girl named Gemma Di Giorgi, from Ribera, Sicily, born with no pupils in her eyes." (1)

Psychosomatic desires beyond the conscious intent of the person will explain many stigmata events in the eyes of scientists. Even as they explain it away in that fashion they are offering up other questions about how the mind works. These questions are left unanswered to my knowledge. It could be agreed the mind directs an ulcerous condition through the direction and intent of the subconscious. This is a way of treating most of the stigmata as hysterics. While it behooves us to agree in most cases, Padre Pio's case exhibits many more things and makes one pause before sweeping it into the looney bin of hysteria or psychosomatic illness. There is debate over the number of nails used to crucify Jesus and whether it is four or five has some import to other considerations as well as the case in question. If it could be shown there were only four then Padre Pio is adopting five on faith and dogma alone.

It is possible he was a part of an ascended master chain of being which Jesus belongs to. It is possible that he was in some manner a re-incarnation of Jesus. Would it be good to know what biophysicists and other science thought if they evaluated him? There was a man who dematerialized in the early 20th century before all the skeptics of his day. He did it 29 times and told Dr. R.M. Bucke (who writes about it in his book Cosmic Consciousness. or shortly thereafter) a noted psychiatrist and a friend of Walt Whitman, that eventually he wouldn't return.

Where does energy go, and do you really believe in a soul? The matter of faith and belief is near to abhorrent to science and I share that outlook. However, I detest even more the turning away from facts, just because we don't know all about everything we'd like to!

Denial of actual events seems to be very much a part of many investigations of the paranormal. There is nothing supernatural but there are supranatural events


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And about Robert Baird the author of this article, who is quite open minded and shows that there is a history to this technique that proceeds it first being discovered in 1983 which a few others claim.
 
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Dear Boomerang

Here is something I just put in the thread World Mind, since you say you are a Jung groupie. I have also posted a link where you can Torrent download his unpublished book for free (Now also available for money) The Red Book including his art and a very Book of Kells layout.

I guess it is a good idea to give Wikipedia a chance to weigh in on Time viewing, chronovisors and what they say is the basis for most prophecy - behaviour feedback loops.

"A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that directly or indirectly causes itself to become true, by the very terms of the prophecy itself, due to positive feedback between belief and behavior. Although examples of such prophecies can be found in literature as far back as ancient Greece and ancient India, it is 20th-century sociologist Robert K. Merton who is credited with coining the expression "self-fulfilling prophecy" and formalizing its structure and consequences. In his 1948 article Self-Fulfilling Prophecy, Merton defines it in the following terms:


The self-fulfilling prophecy is, in the beginning, a false definition of the situation evoking a new behavior which makes the original false conception come true. This specious validity of the self-fulfilling prophecy perpetuates a reign of error. For the prophet will cite the actual course of events as proof that he was right from the very beginning.[1]

In other words, a positive or negative prophecy, strongly held belief, or delusion—declared as truth when it is actually false—may sufficiently influence people so that their reactions ultimately fulfill the once-false prophecy.

Self-fulfilling prophecy are effects in behavioral confirmation effect, in which behavior, influenced by expectations, causes those expectations to come true.[2] It is complementary to the self-defeating prophecy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

In contrast we have Jung, who is highly regarded by science and psychology.

Jungian psychoanalysis is borne from visions he saw, in many ways. His knowledge and scientific method was of the highest calibre. In this Tarot site we have a person worth reading talking about Jung's knowledge of the Tarot.

"Dierdre Bair recounts in Jung: A Biography (Little, Brown, 2003, p. 549) that in 1950 Jung assigned to each of the four members of his Psychology Club an ‘intuitive, synchronistic method’ to explore. Hanni Binder was to research the Tarot and teach him how to read the cards. They determined that Grimaud’s Ancien Tarot de Marseille “was the only deck that possessed the properties and fulfilled the requirements of metaphor that he gleaned from within the alchemical texts.” Hanni Binder’s work amounted to very little as can be seen from her report preserved at the Jung Institute in New York. The group disbanded around 1954.

What was behind Jung’s attempt to gather all this material? Marie-Louise von Franz recounts in Psyche and Matter (1988) that toward the end of his life:

Jung suggested investigating cases where it could be supposed that the archetypal layer of the unconscious is constellated*—following a serious accident, for instance, or in the midst of a conflict or divorce situation—by having people engage in a divinatory procedure: throwing the I Ching, laying the Tarot cards, consulting the Mexican divination calendar, having a transit horoscope or a geomantic reading done. If Jung’s hypothesis is accurate, the results of all these procedures should converge. . . . [*a Jungian term meaning ‘the coming together of elements in the unconscious so that they form a consciously recognizable pattern of relationships.’ Christine Houde adds, “The constellated material is activated in the psyche of the individual where it attempts to erupt into the field of experience.”]

“[This investigation would consist of] studying an incident (accident) by the convergence . . . of a multitude of methods, with the help of which we could try to find out what the Self “thought” of this particular accident. . . . The generally rather vague formulations of divinatory techniques resemble these “clouds of cognition” that, according to Jung, constitute “absolute knowledge.”

Von Franz further explains that Jung’s “clouds of cognition” represents an awareness on the part of our conscious intelligence of a far vaster field of information, an “absolute knowledge,” within the collective unconscious. These images, on the part of a “more or less conscious ego,” lack precise focus and detail. Thus, the realization of meaning has to be “a living experience that touches the heart just as much as the mind.” She continues:



“Archetypal dream images and the images of the great myths and religions still have about them a little of the “cloudy” nature of absolute knowledge in that they always seem to contain more than we can assimilate consciously, even by means of elaborate interpretations. They always retain an ineffable and mysterious quality that seems to reveal to us more than we can really know.”*

On 9 February 1960, about a year before he died, Jung wrote Mr. A. D. Cornell about the disappointing end to his grand experiment:


“Under certain conditions it is possible to experiment with archetypes, as my ‘astrological experiment’ has shown. As a matter of fact we had begun such experiments at the C. G. Jung Institute in Zurich, using the historically known intuitive, i.e., synchronistic methods (astrology, geomancy, Tarot cards, and the I Ching). But we had too few co-workers and too little means, so we could not go on and had to stop.”

The experiment proposed by Jung is discussed in the Journal of Parapsychology (March 1998): in an article titled: “The Rhine-Jung letters: distinguishing parapsychological from synchronistic events – J.B. Rhine; Carl Jung” by Victor Mansfield, Sally Rhine-Feather, James Hall. The authors conclude:"

https://marygreer.wordpress.com/2008...ung-and-tarot/
 
Dear Stalker

That experiment mentioned above and the "cognitive clouds" is like the one my Ingo RV person and I wanted to do, which you read about in that thread you brought back as you try to draw me out. wink wink

The Von Franz woman in the above post is also an alchemist type like me. I say alchemist type because no person I know rises to the level of an Ascended returning Master which I consider a real alchemist will aspire to. That does not include soul-continuance methods such as Crowley/Hubbard/Cagliostro/Kelley/ or other rituals I know of.
 
Last night fantastic UFO's came back into my dreams. WOW, these were beautiful pieces of artwork going across the sky, and, btw, these exotic UFO's appeared in the exact same location as my previous post above. My childhood home where my parents lived for their remaining years.

First, there were beautifully and brighter watercolored clusters of what appeared to be several UFO's bunched together like an art collage almost overlapping but fractal fitting rounding together. The interesting thing about these clusters of maybe 5-12 UFO's fitting together is each of these seemed to be living or alive and were giving me the impression these were similar to Lichen, but more sunflower in shape, with a mushroom feel too. These sort of glowed and dimmed slightly, softly pulsating, and were similar to a cloud feel and fluffy but not puffy in some ways. There were maybe 3 or 4 clusters of these living UFO's that flew overhead and circled around at about cloud height and seemed to move off before completing a complete circle.

Then I saw some really high tech circuit board looking UFO's, and two of these started to descend out of the sky towards my location. Once these two passed nearly overhead I noticed human arms were fitting into the circuit boards extended out like wings for each arm. Then I realized these were Humans in flight with these circuit board disguised UFO's, and I thought it was just wild as they came down and landed on the giant house antenna that we had on our roof as a boy. My dad and I were Ham Radio operators, so we really had a big antenna with cable guides to support it.

Anyway these two UFO humans landed [male and female] on the antenna and came down from there. I was so excited and happy that I'm guessing this dream may have been from the point of view of being a young teenager or boy. There was an almost party like atmosphere, a celebration, and then the dream faded from my waking memory.

There was a third type of UFO that came-in too, but it was far more stealthy as it is more just a knowing feeling it was coming in. I just can't remember what it looked like, but I remember now it was there. Haha, memory loss from that UFO.

This was an amazing dream with a positive more happy feel without feelings of any danger or threats, though at the beginning I was just in "artwork awe" to see the beautiful living UFO's fly-in like clouds in fractal flower like clusters but faster in speed. Their colorful soft plasma glow and cloud cluster size gave a feeling of awesome power too. I suppose the circuit board UFO's might have freaked me out with fear had these not transformed into Human UFO's as they circled down to land. These were very high tech looking and that feeling totally dominated my impression until I saw these were somehow Human UFO's.
 
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