The Vinland Map is real

[Schuyler]

A recent five-year study of 'The Vinland Map' concludes it is real, thus substantiating claims that Vikings visited North America as early as 1100 AD.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre56g583-us-map-america/

 

[dusty]

Thanks Schuyler,

I dont know about the Vikings being the first though. I will go check out the stuff on the Clovis Point.

I know it's contentious but I always liked the idea of northern europeans skirting the ice shelf some believe would have been present at the time between continents, and hunting on their way. Call me romantic, but what the hey.

Mark

 

[Schuyler]

I know it's contentious but I always liked the idea of northern europeans skirting the ice shelf some believe would have been present at the time between continents, and hunting on their way. Call me romantic, but what the hey.

I made a big mistake in my post, 1000 AD not 100 AD, now corrected. I've also heard the story of the Portugese getting to N America first, and there are even stories of a vast copper mine in Canada run by the Romans, not to mention Chinese voyages in the historical record. The difference here is that they've got the map, and they've got several artifacts found in N. America. No doubt they weren't 'first,' but this is the oldest documentation yet found. the map has always been controversial, but this new study puts to rest some of the claims of forgery.

BTW, DNA studies have not confirmed the European Hypothesis. The latest and greatest study claims all Native Americans case over the Bering Strait, which is an old theory. I'm not sure how extensive this study is, so I'm banking on the jury still being out on this one. I'll try to find the DNA reference...

 

[AnnetteMarie]

I must have had terrific teachers. We learned about stuff like that, including the map known as the Piri Reis map in grade 9 or 10. Wonder if those teachers liked the UFO subject, too???

 

[Schuyler]

Here's a pretty extensive article that discusses various theories of N. American origins: http://www.cabrillo.edu/~crsmith/origins.html. I have a call in to an anthropologist/DNA specialist friend of mine that may shed more on the matter, though it may take a couple of days.

 

[atomic_annie]

Thanks Schuyler,

I dont know about the Vikings being the first though. I will go check out the stuff on the Clovis Point.

I know it's contentious but I always liked the idea of northern europeans skirting the ice shelf some believe would have been present at the time between continents, and hunting on their way. Call me romantic, but what the hey.

Mark

A serendipitous discovery, on my part, occurred many, many moons ago when I was researching about who were the first humans to set foot on this continent and the Clovis Point Hypothesis was one that came up.

Lol, my jaw dropped down to the floor when I found out about that but the author of the book I was reading on it did not extrapolate on any of the details about that discovery and what it entailed. Looking forward to any information you find on this topic -- just don't know what information to trust anymore that's on the web about it.

 

[dyingsun]

It is a shame though, that many 'nationalist' movements use the term 'vinland' to further push their 'agenda'.Same in europe for decades though.

 

[dusty]

Hey Annie, you might like to watch this,

I thought this was a great show.

Thanks again Schuyler, great link. Must agree with your point about the map being definite proof though.

Incidently, only this afternoon I was in Cambridge and I got talking to a girl on the market there who was selling various crystals and minerals from around the world.
I picked one up and asked if it was Ulexite, http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/browse/HU.HTM

I only asked because of it's transparent nature. It wasn't Ulexite and I cant remember now what it was but the young lady went on to explain that the specimins she had were of a type of crystal that the vikings used to use as an aid to navigation.
She went on to explain that on overcast days when these chaps were at sea, they used to use this particular crystal,
http://www.polarization.com/viking/viking.html

I am going back next week to find out some more about some Moqui marbles, I have and will find out the name of this stuff.

Mark

 

[atomic_annie]

I made a big mistake in my post, 1000 AD not 100 AD, now corrected. I've also heard the story of the Portugese getting to N America first, and there are even stories of a vast copper mine in Canada run by the Romans, not to mention Chinese voyages in the historical record. The difference here is that they've got the map, and they've got several artifacts found in N. America. No doubt they weren't 'first,' but this is the oldest documentation yet found. themap has always been controversial, but this new study puts to rest some of the claims of forgery.

BTW, DNA studies have not confirmed the European Hypothesis. The latest and greatest study claims all Native Ameroicans case over the Bering Strait, which is an old theory. I'm not sure how extensive this study is, so I'm banking on the jury still being out on this one. I'll try to find the DNA reference...

That's great news about the Vinland Map! I'm not kidding either. But now maybe kids will be taught, based on actual proven evidence, that the Vikings were here waaaaay before Columbus EVER set sail on the ocean blue in fourteen hundred and ninety two.

Just hope that in another 200 yrs or so, the Romans will be the next one's up after the Vikings.... you know, after they finally stop teaching that the publication of that "shocking" book called "Uncle Tom's Cabin" is the reason why the North went to war with the South.

 

[atomic_annie]

Thanks Dusty, I'll check that vid. out!

 

[atomic_annie]

Here's a pretty extensive article that discusses various theories of N. American origins: http://www.cabrillo.edu/~crsmith/origins.html. I have a call in to an anthropologist/DNA specialist friend of mine that may shed moe on the matter, though it may take a couple of days.

Fascinating link! Looking forward to whatever information that specialist has on all of this. It would be great though if you could have him answer some questions "off the record"....

 

[Astroboy]

Here's a pretty extensive article that discusses various theories of N. American origins: http://www.cabrillo.edu/~crsmith/origins.html. I have a call in to an anthropologist/DNA specialist friend of mine that may shed more on the matter, though it may take a couple of days.

I remember reading an article about DNA tests being definitive about Native Americans origins being from Asian roots.

But really isn't it rather obvious looking at Eskimos, Native North Americans, and Native South Americans that they are not of European descent? There is a well known genetic trait that is shared between Native Americans and Asians which is the common DNA trait that is lacking in producing the enzyme to absorb alchohol well. This made the Native American get drunk more easily on the "fire water" that Europeans gave them. Thanks for the party Europeans! On an interesting note a guide in Mexico referring to ancient Mayan dialects said there were linguistic similarities of some words to Chinese and that there were also some ancient writings that were nearly identical to very old bone writings from China.

My guess is that the history of this hemisphere is a greater mystery than we realize. Europeans probably came to continental America long ago but in small numbers and there may have been a multitude of migrations from the Asian continent perhaps some who did not follow the land route but came directly across the ocean.

 

[Schuyler]

But really isn't it rather obvious looking at Eskimos, Native North Americans, and Native South Americans that they are not of European descent?

Not really, no. No one is suggesting that Native Americans did not mostly come across the Bering Strait. There have been suggestions that significant populations on the Eastern Seaboard may have had European origins. This is beyond the occassional explorer or small group that found themselves in North America, but did not make a significant or lasting impression. Native Americans don't all look alike. Indeed, it doesn't take all that long for an isolated population to develop different 'racial' characteristics. Caucasian skin color, for example, a result of cloudy skies in the North and the need to absorb Vitamin D, takes about 10,000 years. 'Fat' people existing in the North to retain heat versus 'skinny' people in the South to radiate heat takes even less time. Natural Selection without modern medicine to intervene is brutal.

Then there are the anomolies like Kennewick Man, a 10,000 year old skeleton that looks VERY European and in very much the wrong place. The Bering Strait Theory is a very old and simple one and is very probably correct. It's been challenged a few times recently. Extensive DNA testing of current Native American populations will likely settle the matter.

In the meantime, that's the fun part, testing an idea and running with it to see how far you can go. If there were not a bit of a mystery involved, I wouldn't be interested.

 

[methshin]

It's been common knowledge that the Vikings were here before the europeans, what Schuyler is presenting is an actual time period. Before, we could only speculate, but thanks to this discovery, we can be objective when discussing their arrival. If you have a chance, head to Newfoundland Canada and check out the dwellings.

 

[brado]

I would love to find out the source and tools used for the Piri Reis maps. Those were really old and pretty accurate.
B

 

[brado]

What continent were the Vikings from?

 

[Schuyler]

I would love to find out the source and tools used for the Piri Reis maps. Those were really old and pretty accurate.
B

THAT sucker is a whole different ball game! It showed Antarctica free of ice and appeared to be shot from above. Little known fact. Admiral Reis was beheaded for treason.

 

[brado]

THAT sucker is a whole different ball game! It showed Antarctica free of ice and appeared to be shot from above. Little known fact. Admiral Reis was beheaded for treason.

I believe it. The only freedom of speech in those days was to say what the boss wanted to hear!
B

 

[Schuyler]

I found an article that, if accurate, pretty well lays to rest the idea of any large population of Native Americans coming from anywhere near Europe. The paper is actually refuting the Mormon claim that all Native Americans are descendents of the "lost ten tribes of Israel," but it has some excellent statistical material.

Apparently there are five MtDNA groups in North America: A, B, C, D, and X. A through D are definitely East Asian in origin, pointing to the Bering Strait Hypothesis. My anthropologist friend tells me the X group is the one that they are still arguing about, but as you'll see in the article, arguing about X is a far cry from proving European descent:

http://www.mormonismi.net/pdf/Southerton_NativeAmericanMaternalGenealogies.pdf