The Legacy of Covid Vaccines

[Burnt State]

Once again - nothing but rhetoric and you just can't address the real important facts which include the impacts to the planet when there is no vaccination - not just in deaths of children, but imagine how the health care system would be so overridden by childhood and transmissible diseases that people trying to get cancer diagnosis, and heart transplants, and seniors getting their blood pressure dealt with would just not get proper service.

You run away from those core questions and core issues and can't address those moments when your own bogus claims are challenged by scientific history, current statistics etc. and you have nothing to speak back to. i.e. please address the type 1 diabetes issue you brought up? You don't even address your correlation causation fallacies, or the enormous and overwhelming scientific body of evidence up against scant reports with no real scientific confirmation by other bodies.

Here's another basic fact:



That's just for under a 1000 kids who contracted measles because of parents deciding not to vaccinate. Now magnify that by hundreds of thousands or millions of kids showing up in hospitals with measles related illnesses and what that would do to healthcare. Imagine tens of thousands of kids dying from measles b cause of a lack of vaccination.

What is it about these basic realities you are not getting? Again, i ask you, what kind of world do you imagine it would be if vaccination was removed from it? Just how many dead, paralyzed, sick and dying?

Imagine a health care system paralyzed by the unvaccinated.

Are you trying to promote a depopulation rationale? Because the quickest way to change the mortality rate of humanity is to remove vaccines form their lives.



I guess you would call all of this big pharma propaganda and apparently there's been a vaccine propaganda scheme that's been ongoing for the last 230 years - do I have that right?

Contribution of vaccination to improved survival and health: modelling 50 years of the Expanded Programme on Immunization

 

[Randall]

Just imagine a world without vaccination - everyone is dead, paralyzed or sick and dying, the health system is overwhelmed and every fly outbreak brings more death and misery.

Indeed — "just imagine", because without it, there's no real world evidence that the graphic you posted has any relevance to. Specifically, it:

• It's a modeling scenario that doesn't reflect actual cases.
• It uses unprovable assumptions to create an illusion of a seemingly desirable outcome.
• It ignores natural immunity and the ability to fight new infections without a vaccine.
• It ignores that vaccine efficacy in the real world is very low.
• It ignores the risks of vaccine injuries.
• It ignores the cost of mass vaccinations ( trillions worldwide ).
• It ignores alternative treatments.
• It doesn't have anything to do with people's freedom of choice.

FACT: Simply being non-vaccinated doesn't mean a person either has a pathogen, or will get one, even if a pathogen is in the environment. Lots of pathogens are in and around us all the time. I and many others had zero Covid — not so much as a sniffle the whole six years. Nor does it necessarily mean that a pathogen will make a person ill or anyone else around them ill — even if thet person does become infected.

• The illustration is essentially a piece of techno-propaganda.

 

[Randall]

More vaxxer propaganda. Show me just one child who has been "saved" — snatched from the jaws of death by a vax? You can't. Nobody can — because it's all based on assumptions built on flawed data. You'd know this if you'd done as much digging as I have — but you haven't.

 

[Burnt State]

Indeed — "just imagine", because without it, there's no real world evidence that the graphic you posted has any relevance.

It's a basic transmission model that can be applied to any prevenrable communicable disease.

Do you actually think all these disease don't exist? Are they mythology?

How would you rewrite 230 years of medical history, by using ivermectin?

 

[Burnt State]

More vaxxer propaganda. Show me just one child who has been "saved" — snatched from the jaws of death by a vax? You can't. Nobody can — because it's all based on assumptions built on flawed data. You'd know this if yo

Actually I did.....95000 dead annually in unvaccinated countries due to measles. These are basic facts.

And in that much lauded study they used something called math to figure it out.

 

[Randall]

Here's another basic fact:

More vaxxer propaganda.

• Pfizer / BioNTech (Comirnaty): Generated roughly $36.8 billion in 2021 and over $37.8 billion in 2022, making it the bestselling pharmaceutical product in history over a multi-year span. Total multi-year sales crossed the $140 billion threshold. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Moderna (Spikevax): Earned approximately $17.7 billion in 2021 and pulled in cumulative vaccine revenues upwards of $43 billion through 2023. [1, 2]
• Other Manufacturers: Companies like Sinovac, Johnson & Johnson (Janssen), and AstraZeneca generated billions more, though AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson initially priced major portions of their supply on a not-for-profit or lower-cost pandemic basis. [1]

Who paid for all that?

 

[Randall]

It's a basic transmission model that can be applied to any prevenrable communicable disease.

Do you actually think all these disease don't exist? Are they mythology?

How would you rewrite 230 years of medical history, by using ivermectin?

You didn't address any of the points I made — as usual.

 

[Randall]

Actually I did.....95000 dead annually in unvaccinated countries due to measles.

Showing case numbers of alleged deaths from a disease, doesn't prove anyone else was saved by a vacine or even would have been saved had they taken a vaccine. It's a basic leap in logic — not a "fact" at all. It's a mere assertion. On the other hand, vaccine injuries have a direct causal correlation, including autopsy studies that meet the Bradford Hill criteria for causation.

https://www.nvic.org/disease-vaccine/measles/vaccine-injury-death

Serious complications reported by Merck in the MMR-V (ProQuad) product insert during vaccine post-marketing surveillance have included:10

• measles;
• atypical measles;
• vaccine strain varicella;
• varicella-like rash;
• herpes zoster;
• herpes simplex;
• pneumonia and respiratory infection;
• pneumonitis;
• bronchitis;
• epididymitis;
• cellulitis;
• skin infection;
• subacute sclerosing panencephalitis;
• aseptic meningitis;
• thrombocytopenia;
• aplastic anemia (anemia due to the bone marrow’s inability to produce platelets, red and white blood cells);
• lymphadenitis (inflammation of the lymph nodes);
• anaphylaxis including related symptoms of peripheral, angioneurotic and facial edema;
• agitation;
• ocular palsies;
• necrotizing retinitis (inflammation of the eye);
• nerve deafness;
• optic and retrobulbar neuritis (inflammation of the optic nerve);
• Bell’s palsy (sudden but temporary weakness of one half of the face);
• cerebrovascular accident (stroke);
• acute disseminated encephalomyelitis;
• measles inclusion body encephalitis;
• transverse myelitis;
• encephalopathy;
• Guillain-Barre Syndrome;
• syncope (fainting);
• tremor;
• dizziness;
• paraesthesia;
• febrile seizure;
• afebrile seizures or convulsions;
• polyneuropathy (dysfunction of numerous peripheral nerves of the body);
• Stevens-Johnson syndrome;
• Henoch-Schönlein purpura;
• acute hemorrhagic edema of infancy;
• erythema multiforme;
• panniculitis;
• arthritis;
• death

 

[Burnt State]

You'd know this if you'd done as much digging as I have — but you haven't.

You don't think I went up and down what causes type 1 diabetes - it's an actual generic event. You can't get it from being vaccinated. There is zero medical causation to be found. The math bears it out.

You seem to be good with going along with manipulated math. Just what kind of research protocols are you using because you seek to be excluding a lot of real data from the discussion along with real facts.

 

[Burnt State]

 

[Randall]

You don't think I went up and down what causes type 1 diabetes - it's an actual generic event. You can't get it from being vaccinated.

That is a mere proclamation that doesn't refute the evidence that vaccines can and most probably do cause type 1 diabetes. Try thinking for yourself about it. Type one is caused when the bodies own immune system turns on itself causing it to kill the pancreas. Multiple vaccines induce an immune respose that in rare ( or maybe not so rare ) cases has proven to damage the pancreas. You put 2 + 2 together.

Acute Pancreatitis Induced by COVID-19 Vaccine: A Systematic Review - PMC

Acute pancreatitis, marked by sudden inflammation of the pancreas, presents a complex spectrum of causative factors including gallstone obstruction, alcohol abuse, and viral infections. Recent studies have illuminated the emergence of ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pancreatic Injury after COVID-19 Vaccine—A Case Report​

You keep dishing out the denial — I'll keep dishing out evidence to try to wake you up.
Been doing it for the last six years — got hundreds of papers, interviews, etc.
How long do you want to do this?

 

[Tyger]

You don't think I went up and down what causes type 1 diabetes - it's an actual generic event. You can't get it from being vaccinated. There is zero medical causation to be found. The math bears it out.

Actually a quick search turned up lots of studies.

"The present case suggests that Type 1 diabetes should be added to the list of the possible adverse effects of COVID‐19 vaccination, and should be surveyed carefully after COVID‐19 vaccination, even in subjects without prior histories of diabetes."

Type 1 diabetes mellitus following COVID‐19 RNA‐based vaccine​

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Type 1 diabetes mellitus following COVID‐19 RNA‐based vaccine - PMC

The epidemic of coronavirus disease‐2019 (COVID‐19) is the major public health issue in the world. COVID‐19 vaccines are one of the most effective strategies against COVID‐19. Here we report a 36‐year‐old female patient who had thirst, polydipsia, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Burnt State]

Look people, don't talk to me about type 1 diabetes.

The clear facts are available and they are not about studies involving a single individual or rare anomalous events. The lives of the many outweigh, unfortunately, the lives of the few or the one. That's medical consistency and rare outlier examples of biology happening at the same time.

The math bears it out clearly.

There is and has been no uptick in the amount of diabetes cases connected to any vaccine historically ever including the COVID vaccine.

Yes, we've seen those who contracted COVID getting diabetes because of their compromised immune system, but all long term studies looking at those vaccinated have not shown an increase in the incidence of diabetes.

So please spare me your pseudo science and lack of appreciation in mathematics.

The same can be said for anyone's inability to recognize the life saving merits of vaccines as the math bears that one out too when we compare infant mortality rates of children with and without proper vaccination.

Is there anything else I can help clear up for you as I keep trying to walk away from your mathematical madness?

 

[Tyger]

NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya shares truly disturbing statistics on myocarditis in young men after the COVID vaccine.

“Somewhere between 1 in 2,000 and 1 in 10,000 young men who got the COVID vaccine got myocarditis. That’s too many. Especially since the benefit from the vaccine for them was minuscule.”

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NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya shares truly DISTURBING statistics on myocarditis in young men after the COVID vaccine. “Somewhere between 1 in 2,000 and 1 in 10,000 young men who got the COVID...

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[Richard Hawkins]

NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya shares truly disturbing statistics on myocarditis in young men after the COVID vaccine.

“Somewhere between 1 in 2,000 and 1 in 10,000 young men who got the COVID vaccine got myocarditis. That’s too many. Especially since the benefit from the vaccine for them was minuscule.”

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NIH Director Dr. Jay Bhattacharya shares truly DISTURBING statistics on myocarditis in young men after the COVID vaccine. “Somewhere between 1 in 2,000 and 1 in 10,000 young men who got the COVID...

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The problem with all you vaccine deniers is that you use data from North America and Canada and the rest of the world is ignored. Vaccinations world wide have helped save more lives than can be counted. If you're vaccines are not working or causing harm then get that fat fuck Donald Trump to get of his ass and properly regulate the medical and research industry so your vaccines are safe. Of course he won't do that because to many of his friends are making a fortune out of these drugs.

 

[Randall]

Look people, don't talk to me . . .

Well, that about says it all — doesn't it.

The clear facts are available and they are not about studies involving a single individual or rare anomalous events.

Says who — when did you decide what this is about?

The lives of the many outweigh, unfortunately, the lives of the few or the one.

That's an authoritarian collectivist political view — not science.

That's medical consistency and rare outlier examples of biology happening at the same time.

The math bears it out clearly.

There is and has been no uptick in the amount of diabetes cases connected to any vaccine historically ever including the COVID vaccine.

You said "Don't talk to me" about that, so I won't repost the studies suggesting otherwise.

Yes, we've seen those who contracted COVID getting diabetes

I've seen those studies too. It doesn't negate the evidence to the contrary, but least that's valid counterpoint.

because of their compromised immune system, but all long term studies looking at those vaccinated have not shown an increase in the incidence of diabetes.

You said "Don't talk to me" about that, so I won't repost the studies suggesting otherwise.

So please spare me your pseudo science and lack of appreciation in mathematics.

That's not valid counterpoint.

The same can be said for anyone's inability to recognize the life saving merits of vaccines as the math bears that one out too when we compare infant mortality rates of children with and without proper vaccination.

Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Birth Cohort Studies: Unvaccinated Children Are Far Healthier​

Figure 1. Kaplan Meier Curve: 10-year Chronic Disease-Free Survival by Vaccine Exposure

Is there anything else I can help clear up for you as I keep trying to walk away from your mathematical madness?

You haven't actually cleared-up anything. But you do keep giving me the opportunity to practice my debunking skills.

 

[Randall]

The problem with all you vaccine deniers . . .

Wrong description. Neither of us are "deniers" — we're honest fair-minded skeptics who believe in civil liberties.

. . . is that you use data from North America and Canada and the rest of the world is ignored.

Not so — I've got lots of studies from various places around the world, and what they show is the same pattern of vaccine injuries combined with dubious claims of "preventing" or "saving" people, when claims of proving something that didn't happen such as "saved lives" is not only a logical fallacy ( proving a negative ). More specifically, a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy — an error of assuming causation from correlation combined with a neglect of base rates.

On the issue of ignoring other countries — you seem to have missed this ( which takes into account base rates ) . . .

COVID-19 Vaccine-associated Mortality in the Southern Hemisphere - Global Research

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Seventeen equatorial and Southern-Hemisphere countries were studied (Argentina, Australia, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Malaysia, New Zealand, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Singapore, South Africa, Suriname, Thailand, Uruguay), which comprise 9.10 % of worldwide population, 10.3 % of worldwide COVID-19 injections (vaccination rate of 1.91 injections per person, all ages), virtually every COVID-19 vaccine type and manufacturer, and span 4 continents.

Key Points

• There can be little doubt that the peaks in excess ACM are caused by the COVID-19 vaccinations
• The measured all-ages vDFR of (0.126 ± 0.004) % implies that 17.0 ± 0.5 million COVID-19 vaccine deaths would have occurred globally

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Wrong description. Neither of us are "deniers" — we're honest fair-minded skeptics who believe in civil liberties.



Not so — I've got lots of studies from various places around the world, and what they show is the same pattern of vaccine injuries combined with dubious claims of "preventing" or "saving" people, when claims of proving something that didn't happen such as "saved lives" is not only a logical fallacy ( proving a negative ). More specifically, a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, or more specifically, an error of assuming causation from correlation combined with a neglect of base rates.

On the issue of ignoring other countries — you seem to have missed this ( which takes into account base rates ) . . .

COVID-19 Vaccine-associated Mortality in the Southern Hemisphere - Global Research

All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the Translate Website button below the author’s name. To receive Global Research’s Daily Newsletter (selected articles), click here. Click the share button above to email/forward this article to your friends and colleagues...

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Seventeen equatorial and Southern-Hemisphere countries were studied (Argentina, Australia, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Malaysia, New Zealand, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Singapore, South Africa, Suriname, Thailand, Uruguay), which comprise 9.10 % of worldwide population, 10.3 % of worldwide COVID-19 injections (vaccination rate of 1.91 injections per person, all ages), virtually every COVID-19 vaccine type and manufacturer, and span 4 continents.

• There can be little doubt that the peaks in excess ACM are caused by the COVID-19 vaccinations
• The measured all-ages vDFR of (0.126 ± 0.004) % implies that 17.0 ± 0.5 million COVID-19 vaccine deaths would have occurred globally

Oh we have moved the goalposts again we are now just taking about COVID vaccinations. Either way it is all nonsense world wide more people were saved by the COVID vaccine than were harmed. End of conversation.

 

[Randall]

Oh we have moved the goalposts again we are now just taking about COVID vaccinations.

They've been moved all over the place — but I keep scoring anyway

Either way it is all nonsense world wide more people were saved by the COVID vaccine than were harmed. End of conversation.

Okay — vaccines are our savior — end of conversation Get the Bible . . .

 

[Burnt State]

Fact-Check: Debunking the Top Myths Around Viral “Vaccine Study”​

October 13, 2025

DETROIT—Henry Ford Health condemns the spread of dangerous disinformation connected to a “documentary” that falsely claims our nationally recognized academic medical center and research institute suppressed a draft of a research study because of its results.

The purposeful twisting of information in the “documentary” poses a direct public threat. We implore anyone who comes across these myths to read the facts below.

MYTH #1: “The study proves vaccinated children are 2.5x more likely to develop chronic health conditions than unvaccinated children.”

FACT: This draft did not prove anything. The very first internal review revealed serious flaws in the data and methodology, and the paper was abandoned. Anyone who conducts public health research would agree that comparing vastly different sample sizes over different time periods with inconsistent demographic foundations is problematic.

MYTH #2: “The study wasn’t published due to political reasons – or because of its results.”

FACT: The draft wasn’t submitted for publication or shared with the public because the data and analyses were flawed, and it’s irresponsible to share scientifically flawed studies with the public.

MYTH #3: “The study was hidden from the public.”

FACT: Reputable academic medical research institutions like Henry Ford Health subject research papers to stringent, internal, and scientific scrutiny that often points out issues with data, methodology or other flaws. It’s rare that a paper makes it to the scientific journal submission phase, and even rarer that papers get published. This wasn’t hidden; it was simply rejected for scientific lapses.

MYTH #4: “This is the ‘most important vaccine study ever.’”

FACT: Dr. Jake Scott, an infectious disease physician from Stanford who testified on Capitol Hill, wrote “…this flawed analysis reveals how thoroughly political theater has replaced scientific literacy in our public discourse.” The first internal reviewers determined the paper wasn’t scientifically sound—and it never made it past draft status.

MYTH #5: “The ‘documentary’ proves the health system is withholding the study.”

FACT: The film proved nothing except that we have rigorous scientific standards in place for a reason: to ensure the only studies we submit for publication come from research rooted in sound, infallible data that have passed our stringent review processes. We do not bend to pressure from those with special interests and will never compromise the standards that have helped make us a world-renowned academic medical research institution. Read more on our perspective in this Detroit Free Press article.


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P.S. still waiting on that James Fox Type 1 diabetes article......