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The 1945 Trinity UFO Story... Crashes


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Paranormal Adept
The legislation mandating ARRO examine historical UFO cases was pushed back from 1947 to 1945. Why? The Trinity 1945 UFO crash story promoted by Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris. Reme Baca was the architect of the Trinity UFO-crash story, which took many years to be taken seriously. It had shaky origins, which have now crumbled.

Regarding the nature and quality of earlier “investigations” of the Trinity story by Paola Harris and Jacques Vallee, readers may reach their own judgments after reviewing the linked series of Crash Story Files.

This in-depth examination by Douglas Dean Johnson exposes the Trinity hoax.

Crash Story: The Trinity UFO Crash Hoax
 
Of course Trinity isn't the only crash hoax, or even the only pre-Roswell hoax. There's also San Antonio, allegedly in August 1945, and cape Girardeau (sp?) allegedly in 1941.
 
Jacques Vallee has issued a response, published of all places, on Paola Harris' Facebook page.
She says, "Jacques asked if you could help disperse it. He does not use social media."

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TRINITY : THE INCONVENIENT REALITY A response to Douglas Dean Johnson’s « Crash Story »
By Jacques Vallee (May 15th, 2023)
Those people audacious enough to claim « Hoax ! » Have you been to the site yourself ? Have you interviewed the witnesses ? Have you analyzed the recovered materials ? If not, then by what information do you make such dismissive claims ?
Sid Goldberg, two-time Emmy Award director
In the course of any research, it is natural and healthy for people to disagree about facts and methods. In the ensuing debates, differences get resolved and facts are clarified to help new information emerge. Unfortunately, the fledging field of « ufology » has never learned to conduct its business in this way, and attempts to reform it into a decent, scientifically-oriented field have faltered. Instead, its history is littered with interminable fights, meaningless boastings and pretentious proclamations, more often designed to denigrate an opponent than to elevate a debate.
The attack against the work that Mrs. Harris and I have conducted in New Mexico since 2018 with the guidance of a scientific research team is a case in point.
For half a century, the beautiful landscapes of New Mexico have seen especially nasty arguments come and go about the reality and significance of UFO crashes. Roswell, in particular, has had its share of conflicting claims, with many basic facts still in doubt after a string of arguments and expensive lawsuits. (1)

1. INCONVENIENT DATA, BIASED AGENDAS
« Debate » in ufology is an empty word. It has rarely taken a form leading to creative results. Contrary to what happens in science or in a Court of Law, personal attack is allowed to replace intelligent argument; instantly amplified through the Internet, it leaves scant opportunity for timely response. The damage done to the field by this behavior is considerable : Why would an outside scholar or investigator step into such a contentious environment where calumny is encouraged and false accusation applauded for the sake of ratings, while valuable data, as we are about to see, gets repressed, distorted or forgotten ?
Four years ago, in the real world, a historic breakthrough occurred in Washington, freeing this field of research from decades of neglect and ridicule: the long-delayed recognition of the « UFO » (aka « UAP ») phenomenon by US military, academic and Intelligence authorities was a real fact. As a signal of recognition for the UFO research community, it was expected to result

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in a more organized and dignified approach to the public study, given the mass of valuable material already gathered by teams of dedicated civilian investigators spending their own time and money.
It didn’t.
Instead, we continue to witness uneasy arguments between various parts of the government : Several agencies have now claimed authority over the field, armed with biased agendas, some trying to hide the data while others assert their intent to reveal them. In this environment, public trust continues to be foiled by efforts to denigrate « whistle-blowers, » defeating the attempts by a few members of Congress to allow them to speak on the record. The inital hopes of full public accounting and data validation have faded into uncertainty. The most valuable evidence, which would be in the heads of highly specialized scientists, is sheltered by clearances that cannot be « acknowledged, » placing them beyond straightforward Congressional access and public disclosure.
The result, so far (with a few exceptions such as the work of Mr. Robert Salas and others about sightings over nuclear sites) has not been debate but a pattern of lower-level personal attacks across the field, instead of renewed professional dialogue conducted on the basis of good analysis and real due diligence. As private researchers, our fervent hopes are that honest, unbiased, unfiltered public disclosures will eventually happen, and open a new era of research. In the meantime, we have to live in a climate of social media carnage, denigration and strife where any kind of attack is allowed.

2. BREAKTHROUGH AT TRINITY
This paper is concerned with a series of claims against « Trinity – The best-kept secret, » the book that Paola Harris and I published in 2021, and expanded into a new edition a year later (2). The claims are broad and invite no debate. We are accused of promoting a hoax based on the testimony of two kids, ages 7 and 9, who claimed to have witnessed the crash of an oval object on a family-owned ranch, one month to the day after the explosion of the first atom bomb at the Trinity site in 1945. Their names are Reme Baca and Jose Padilla.
The revelation implied in that 1945 date is important because it resets the beginning of the major UFO « waves » in the United States two years before Roswell (3). This seems to have upset some of the advocates closest to that event. Actually, the Trinity case could bring much- needed support to Roswell, as we will see below. But it is also inconvenient, possibly because it might disturb a sizeable, highly profitable cottage industry of Alien entertainment well- established in the area or for other reasons which might very well be legitimate, but remain hidden from view.
More importantly, it could also place before authorities the urgent need to reveal some documents from the past. For purely administrative reasons, essential records about the old atomic site have remained beyond the reach of public researchers like Paola and me, and even of Congress. No wonder this situation has triggered feverish speculation among ufologists of every stripe.

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In summary, at a time when public opinion expects more clarity about the phenomenon, the statements made by the Trinity witnesses, who kept them secret for 50 years, could inform the research and upset many plans.
Within the cogs of Government there are parties (supported by Congress members) intent on honest revelation of data about UFO reality, but there are also forces that seek to further delay such a disclosure, either because they assume it would cause harm to human society, or simply to preserve the monetary gains from future, profitable industrial breakthroughs on Earth and in space.
Such is the context of the present controversy, where potential « whistle blowers » are putting their livelihood and reputation in danger, and open themselves up to the kind of reprisals and violent personal attacks to which our witnesses are subjected here.

3. THE BASIC FACTS
On May First, an incendiary document to which we will refer here as « Crash Story » was widely distributed on the Internet (4). It is structured into thirteen articles of accusation, each bearing on one particular item from the story told in our book : it asserts that Mrs. Harris and I were negligent when we published Trinity. It starts off by making fun of the fact that we spent so much effort on a case that had been summarily dismissed by well-known investigators such as Ryan Wood, Stanton Friedman and Timothy Good.
• That first claim, which could have been easily ascertained, is simply wrong. Our book explains that Mr. Good did hear of the case but tried to follow-up in person without success. Stanton Friedman, as we also report, was intrigued by what he heard, but he told Mrs. Harris that all his time was taken by the Roswell business. As for Ryan Wood, he devotes no less than six pages to the case in his excellent analysis of UFO crashes, Magic Eyes Only (5). Hardly the work of a dismissive researcher, since it gave the case a rating of 60 to 80% credibility.
Beyond this, « Crash Story » lists thirteen heads of accusation against us. Upon close study, they can be grouped into two major sets, with different characteristics and relevance to the actual case. Two of the items are personal attacks to which I will not respond (6).
• The first set of accusations, to be dealt with in section Four below, alleges there are blatant mistakes in our book because we were so naïve (or perhaps negligent, or worse) as to give credence to claims about a certain mysterious « extraterrestrial bracket » found aboard the crashed object ; to the self-aggrandizing stories told by a boastful false witness who misled us, namely Mr. Reme Baca ; and to associated allegations about the site, which our critics never visited. These accusations are void. The reader will see that those important facts we supposedly missed were actually well-known to Mrs. Harris and to me. Not only are they properly stated and handled in our book, but we were the ones who exposed them, not the people who are now accusing us of negligence and of misleading our readers.
• The second set of accusations, discussed in Section Five, lists certain facts that contradict aspects of the story as told in our book, which we will defend on the basis of

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accuracy. We have sound reasons to differ on interpretation : In only two cases, we have not reached a firm conclusion on some aspects of the case, and we will take the critics’more cogent arguments into account in future queries. In our response, we will show that our book presented what we knew in good faith at the time. We also believe that some of the extreme assumptions and extrapolations in « Crash Story » may come from having only heard one side of the Trinity story, and relying on biased information from local parties with an axe to grind.

4. WHY THE CRITICS ARE WRONG
When I was brought into the Trinity case by my friend and co-researcher Ron Brinkley in October 2017, Mrs. Paola Harris had already spent four years conducting interviews in the area. In particular, she had brought to the crash site a team of researchers from MUFON. Later, James Fox visited the place and filmed extensive interviews there. That initial phase of research uncovered the possibility that the crash site had been deliberately « interdicted » to humans and animals through seeding with poisonous plants found nowhere else on the property (7). The testimony by Mr. Baca and by Mr. Padilla, reproduced in our book, was generally consistent, although details were recalled differently, as any experienced investigator would expect. It is when all witnesses tell exactly the same story that one must suspect fraud and collusion.
• Why aren’t these important initial facts acknowledged in « Crash Story » ? Instead, the reader is led to believe that the statements by the witnesses rest on no visible evidence and are internally inconsistent.
As research developed, Mrs. Harris found that Reme Baca, possibly inspired by the wildly expanding hype and financial bounty around Roswell, viewed the case as a personal opportunity and tried to promote it. To that effect, he wrote a fairly well-developed amateur book in which he did give himself the better role, and published it. (8
Jose Padilla, in contrast, was never interested in such promotion and kept to the attitude he had adopted back in 1945, which was to avoid most interviews and mind his own business.
In Trinity, we recognized this appetite for fame on the part of Mr. Baca, and as a result I wrote the book very much from the point of view of Mr. Padilla who was our primary source of information.
• The accusation of naivety and negligence against us made in « Crash Story » is inaccurate: As the primary author, I only used the recorded data originating from Reme Baca when it could be compared and verified against other statements of fact. Why support the fictitious tale that our book relies primarily on Baca’s version of the story ? That is simply inaccurate.
Granted that Mr. Baca may have seen an opportunity for fame in the events at Trinity (not illegal, and commonly accepted in the glow of Roswell), the attack against him makes much of the fact that he must have been the leader in a plot to hype it : according to « Crash Story », he must have invented the entire tale of the crash and recovery as a hoax to make money and to satisfy his need for self-aggrandizement ; he must have urged Jose Padilla to lie about it, and he boasted of highly-placed connections. Thus, Reme Baca is presented as a dishonest person who cannot be trusted. All that is idle speculation.

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• This narrative rests on no data and it contradicts the facts of our multi-year investigation at the site with witnesses our critics never met. Any judge would disqualify it as theoretical conjecture. It even contradicts the geography of the site itself, which was reshaped in 1945 (and later) by the Army in its multiple operations to open a special large gate (still visible), dig a road for its heavy vehicles, and take control of as much physical evidence as they could gather.
Even with our own reservations about the man’s ambition, which we discounted in our book, the extensive research in Stanford archives reported in « Crash Story » actually supports our contention that Mr. Baca was a real businessman, influential in the Spanish-speaking community, and a man legitimately active in local politics. He did support the campaign of Dr. Dixie Lee Ray and, contrary to another head of accusation, she did not violate any law if she did show him a folder (which he wasn’t allowed to read, copy or keep) about the recovery of the craft at Trinity.
• The lengthy argument in « Crash Story » implying that the Governor would have violated United States secrets in revealing the existence (but not the contents) of the document to Mr. Baca is in error. Our critic appears to misunderstand the nature of « Restricted Data » within the Atomic Energy Act.
The harsh character attack on Reme Baca in « Crash Story » is, in my opinion, largely unwarranted and an insult to his family. What we presented about him in our book still stands. Our treatment of his role, which was secondary to that of Mr. Padilla, is cautious and respectful even as we take issue with his claims. « Crash Story », in contrast, is needlessly injurious to his memory.
• The accusation ignores Mr. Baca’s positive initiative in seeking support from scientists (notably, at Los Alamos) to ascertain the nature of recovered materials. Again, the critique is partial and incomplete : it does not acknowledge his active role in encouraging independent analysis of the « bracket » by yet another group of scientists in Australia. Would he have done that if he had known that the device was a worthless artifact?
Why base an evaluation of a man’s role and personality on only half the data ? Why deny the reality of his laudable research effort when it is evident ?
Reme Baca was dead by the time I became involved in the case but Mrs. Harris was well aware of his boasting, a frequent source of contention between him and the sober accounts of Mr. Padilla that are the primary basis of our continuing interest in the case.
Accusing us of being naïve about Reme Baca’s claims is a false argument. While we relied on his primary observations as a child, which could be checked against Jose Padilla’s recorded statements, it is true that I chose not to write a special exposé of his boastings : first, because it would have no bearing on the future of our research, and also out of respect for his surviving family. Readers of my previous books know that character attacks are not my style or my

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motivation for doing the work, and that I detest the incendiary verbiage that passes for research in « retail ufology », even if it earns thousands of clicks on the Internet.
Similarly, trying to heap ridicule on our work for studying the « bracket » as if it was an extraterrestrial instrument is a non-starter : Nowhere can you find such a statement in Trinity.
From the very beginning, my stated hypothesis was that the soldiers had used this common artifact in support of the work they did inside the craft. By the way, it probably doesn’t come from a local windmill either, contrary to the claims of some MUFON members who joined in the accusations against the book. This was one of many technical issues we did check with professionals in the area. Yet that obsolete argument is constantly recycled.
• Here again, the accusation is irrelevant and misses the target. It is our team that established and published the news that the four holes in the device were machined in metric dimensions and the artifact probably originated in a country that didn’t use fractional inch dimensions. Here was another gratuitous accusation of incompetence with no basis in fact. Nowhere in our book do we suggest that the bracket could be an Alien artifact.
Another false accusation suggests that I am claiming ownership of that object, entrusted to me by Mr. Padilla. That is not now and has never been the case. I had custody of it during the period of analysis and it has now been donated to a major research institution, according to the wishes of Mr. Padilla.
In all of these : my supposed error in embracing the boastful claims of Mr. Baca, my implicit naïvety in thinking that the « bracket » was an interplanetary device, and my blindness in accepting the preliminary conclusions of the early researchers in the case, including the MUFON team (7), are provably inaccurate.
At this point, we have examined, and dismissed, SEVEN heads of accusation against our research.
In the next section, the reader will see that other situations have arisen, in which our book may benefit from improvement in matters where we did not yet find detailed information at a sufficient level. We will examine these items one by one, and determine how relevant they are to our conclusion. Where we find that we have missed some important fact, we will of course make the appropriate corrections.

5. WHY THE TRINITY CASE STILL STANDS
The items in question here relate to four areas where « Crash Story » accuses us of being incomplete or inaccurate. Let us review the actual situation.
1. The most complex item arises from various public declarations, some of them garbled, made by the son of the pilot who reported the destroyed tower, namely William J. Brophy. We did not rely on these contradictory declarations. The data we use in the

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book comes from Mrs. Harris’ live interview with him, in which he states that his father was the pilot of the B-29 aircraft that was directed by Alamogordo to investigate the « Marconi » tower when communication was lost. Brophy reported that the tower was damaged, and then went on to describe the crash site from the air. This is the closest we could come to a relevant testimony. Everything else is second- or third-hand and possibly garbled in the heat of random interviews.
It is true that on this day, we do not yet have proof for the version we published. An authoritative statement about what happened and which pilot was involved could only come from official records. My hope was (and still is) that publication of that initial story may incite those officials with access to Alamogordo archives to join the research. As this needlessly aggressive controversy arose, the opportunity is probably lost.
2. The second area of contention concerns Mr.Padilla’s life story, injuries and records. Here again, the reason for some of the uncertainty comes from the fact that he has resided in many places during his long life, had several marriages, misplaced or forgot records along the way, and that any remaining private documents would still be in California where he used to live. In other words, he’s human.
The few specific questions raised have simple answers, however. Jose was 16 in 1953, the last year of the Korean War, but no Peace treaty was ever signed. After the theoretical « cease fire, » the US Army still needed boots on the ground for clean-up, repatriation of matériel, documentation and the like. Mr. Padilla has told us repeatedly that his service in Korea was during that phase, and that he was shot as part of mop-up operations, but not in regular combat.
Mr. Padilla never claimed to be a hero. He found civilian employment when he returned to the US, eventually working as a contractor for CHP as a truck inspector, although not as a sworn officer. It is in that work that he was shot by a crooked driver carrying illegal passengers. The latest attempt by his doctors to remove the bullet from his abdomen was just a few months ago. As we all know, it was decided that the operations carried more risk than the bullet, given his age and frail condition.
3. The third area, much heralded in the attack against our book, centers on the police officer
(reported as « Eddy Apodaca ») who drove with Jose Padilla’s father to the crash site. An officer by that name did exist, but he was in the war in France at the time. Therefore, it is implied, Mr. Padilla is a liar.
What if he is telling the absolute truth ?
The real question should be « Was there only one policeman named Apodaca in that region of New Mexico at that time ? » Or is it possible that he got the name wrong ?
There were already 668 families named Apodaca in the US around 1880, concentrated in the Southwest and in New Mexico in particular, where they kept growing and spreading. « Eddy » is not an uncommon first name in that community. The 1980 census lists six men named Edward « Eddy » Apodaca in the State of New Mexico.

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Recently consulted again, Mr. Padilla is certain of the name: it was the same officer who had administered his driving test for his car license, someone any young man would remember. The fact that there was someone else by that name, still deployed in France, isn’t relevant to the case.
« Crash Story » states : « So then : Eddie Apodaca became a New Mexico State Police presence in Socorro in August 1951 », then adds that he was the policeman in question, « without any reasonable doubt. »
Really ? If he wasn’t a policeman until six years after the Trinity crash, how could he be the man who drove the patrol car to the site with Faustino Padilla and the two kids
in August 1945 ? He would have been only 21 at the time, with no authority to inspect the crashed « avocado. » Why would his name be picked to support the lie ?
Our investigation into the « Eddy Apodaca » matter will obviously continue.
4. In July 1994, Mr. Baca and his wife, a confirmed skeptic on religious grounds, experienced an unusual sighting from the porch of their house in Gig Harbour, State of Washington. It so impressed Mrs. Baca that she started crying and went through a crisis of faith, even asking, « Why didn’t the Lord tell us about such things? »
« Crash Story » takes me to task because I mention this episode. I would think I should be blamed if I did NOT include it! Here is a major character in the initial report who has a later sighting of a UFO above his house, along with his deeply religious wife, profoundly shaken by it, and I should NOT mention it ? Come on ! Our book takes no position about what the sighting means, it simply makes a note of it for the reader’s benefit. As it should be.
One final request for this section : It doesn’t help the cause of the authors of « Crash Story » that some of their followers have been calling Mr. Padilla at all hours to harrass him about the case, based on the accusations spread over the US and internationally in clear prejudice. Jose Padilla is ill with multiple conditions including a lung ailment, and these calls are offensive. Please recall the dogs.

6. BEYOND TRINITY : THE LARGER PROBLEM FOR SCIENCE
So far we have examined – and rejected – no less than seven faulty arguments (actually, « insinuations » would be more apt) and there are only two pending questions left out of four others, namely about the pilot (was it Brophy ?), and about the police officer who went inside the craft (was he called Eddy Apodaca and if so, from which town, and if not, what was the name of this officer?)

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The question about Jose’s service in Korea is resolved, although our account of it in the book requires updating. He served, was wounded, returned to civilian life, was shot again when he worked for law enforcement. Similarly, the issue of the Bacas and their sighting is relevant in general, but not a factor in the book I wrote.
We continue to work on the two open questions, of course, and we will report on the findings, as I wrote to the primary author of « Crash Story » when he demanded spur-of-the-moment answers to his blog. I said that « some technical and historical questions are still unresolved. » They still are, as often happens in research, and no instant answer can be fabricaged on the spot.
Having said this, our turn to ask our accusers, « Why did you choose to stop here ? »
The case is much richer than a common hoax by two urchins. Many interestings facts have been found (or « dug up, » to be more precise). Why don’t we talk about them, since they have taken most of the time we and our associates have spent on the site ?
If we are going to have a dialogue about Trinity, it should be about the whole thing: What about the four categories of very unusual materials we have described, reported by multiple witnesses ? And the disfiguration of the landscape that was conducted for a purpose ? The behavior of reported beings in correlation with what we now know about our « visitors, » which couldn’t be known then ? Those are some of the things upon which we spent most of our time and money, assisted by scientists such as Mr. Larry Lemke, a retired NASA expert in aeronautics and space, and professor Garry Nolan, of Stanford University, who performed some of the analyses. All that was done with the help of later residents on the property, long after the craft had been recovered, long after Reme Baca and Jose Padilla had moved on to their professional lives.
Obviously, we will continue to work on these topics, since we have custody of similar materials from other cases for comparison, whose analysis has never been published.
Our main interest, which the book reflects throughout, goes beyond the fascinating episode of the crash. The later reports we have uncovered point to four different types of high-performance materials that excite our interest, and those of the Silicon Valley experts we have consulted. The reported physical features are internally consistent, yet they couldn’t have existed in operational settings in 1945 if they were human-made.
Our research on Trinity, naturally, will continue. Two papers summarizing scientific findings so far have been drafted, then withdrawn in the face of the current controversy, which creates an environment making scientific debate impossible. They may be resubmitted at some point, and adjudicated on a purely scientific basis when the raucous accusations dissipate on Facebook. But the larger question remains : At a time when Congress is looking for historical data about direct observation of UFO phenomena, is there a deeper motive in suppressing what could be an important contribution to its knowledge ? The answer remains buried at Trinity.
For how long ?
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REFERENCES
1. La Rumeur de Roswell, by French sociologist Dr. Pierre Lagrange. Paris : La Découverte, 1996.
2. Trinity : The Best-kept Secret, by Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris. Amazon Books, 2022.
3. Congress reset the date for review of the US Government UFO files from 1947 to 1945 following publication of Trinity.
4. « Crash Story » was placed on the Internet by Mr. Douglas Dean Johnson on May First, 2023.
5. Magic Eyes Only, by Ryan S. Wood : privately printed, November 2005.
6. A third set of attacks are personal, alledging incompetence, possibly due to my
advanced age, and implying dishonesty. It is not worth a response. Gratuitous insinuations are too repulsive to address and have no place in this kind of debate, even if they have become common currency in the messy corners of ufology.
7. « Poisonous plants » : Members of MUFON have claimed they had identified the plants, but their findings were refuted by more professional inspection by Dr. Nolan at Stanford, when I brought my samples to his lab, as related in the book. He confirmed the identification that the Park Rangers (not MUFON) had given Mrs. Harris, namely « cocklebur », noting that the plants, at the right time in their growth, inflicted severe injuries to humans and animals and might have killed a calf or a cow. Those plants were still at the site a month ago, although in smaller number. Local ranchers see no reason why you would use such a dangerous plant : they may have been deliberately put at the crash site (and only there) to discourage access and especially, digging.
8. Born on the Edge of Ground Zero, by Remigio (« Reme ») Baca. Independent Publisher Services, Feb.2011.
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Thanks, Curt, for sharing this material. I'm definitely going to read it over.

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One look at the 'mysterious « extraterrestrial bracket » found aboard the crashed object' should be enough to shake your head and move on.
 
It turns out Paola Harris deleted it from Facebook (probably to nuke negative comments) but still has it up at her site. It's properly formatted, so much easier to read than her Facebook post or the version posted here.

[Removed from site]: TRINITY: THE INCONVENIENT REALITY A response to Douglas Dean Johnson’s " Crash Story"
 
Jacques Vallee is indignant and has reacted to the negative tone of Douglas' criticism more than the actual content. It's more of an emotional response than a factual one. This reminds me of how as the MJ-12 mythology crumbled, Stanton Friedman dug in harder and defended it until the end.
 
A lot of the response, to me, appears to be saying the critic is misstating facts and research.

But it would still be nice to see if more positive evidence is actually available. No, I haven't read the book.
 
Anyway it appears that Harris and Vallee have sworn off interviews due to the "incredibly low level" of the discussion. So that's that for a while.

But Curt and I did talk to Vallee for a short interview about "Trinity" on The Paracast in 2021:

September 5, 2021 — Jacques Vallee with Curt Collins

Meantime, they are apparently not handing out review copies, even the eBook versions, so it'll be a while before I have the opportunity to read the book.

It's apparently in its second edition and has some surprisingly positive reviews, including this one quoted from Amazon:

Christopher Mellon, former deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, called the data “fresh reason to believe that our government is concealing physical proof of alien technology. Read the book, and if persuaded, join the millions of other Americans seeking a straight answer.”

At this point, however, I cannot even put the case in my gray basket until I know more.
 
And here's Kevin D. Randle's take, and he doesn't seem terribly impressed with Vallee's response:


I'm also concerned with the bunker mentality approach being taken by Harris and Vallee. Hiding from the hard questions doesn't help resolve them.
 
TRINITY: THE INCONVENIENT REALITY A response to Douglas Dean Johnson’s " Crash Story"
So the current message on Harris's site when you try to get that story is:

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Apologies, but the page you requested could not be found. Perhaps searching will help.
 
Unfortunately the rampant skeptics such as Douglas Dean Johnson, Kevin Randle and a host of others have jumped on the Jacques Vallée & Paola Harris book and I think they have entirely missed the point. I do understand their desire to rubbish anything suggesting that this apparent UFO Crash/Retrieval (UCR) case involved a real ET spacecraft and an alien crew in view of the many false cases such as Roswell, Aztec (Scully), Cape Girardeau, Linda Howe’s 1953 Garrison, Utah UCR, etc. Also spin-offs such as Santilli’s faked “Alien Autopsy” (1995), the faked Roswell Slides (2015), etc., etc. Not a single case that showing any proof of alien visitation of this planet!
My point is that there is strong evidence that something did crash at the Trinity Nuclear Test Site in August 1945 and the account of this crash and of the Army’s retrieval of the wreckage given by the two witnesses Jose Padilla and Reme Baca is pretty much as they have been telling the story. Vallée admits that Reme Baca did spice up his account of it with talk of “aliens” when he did an interview with Roswell believer Tom Carey many years later but Baca concedes he was then giving Carey what he thought Carey wanted to hear. Criticizing Vallée for shoddy fieldwork and for being a dupe in believing such a “hoax” is simply not justified.
What I intend to show (on your other forum) on the Trinity case is exactly what sort of an aircraft crash landed there on August 16th 1945 and how this had absolutely nothing to do with aliens or extraterrestrial UFOs. That has been the interpretation put on it by Tim Good, Paola Harris, and others long after the event. As with the 1980 Rendlesham Forest UFO case I will say exactly what I believe this “UFO” must have been though I’m sure both skeptics and ET believers will reject my analysis and cling to their existing points of view.
 
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TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret (by Jacques Vallée and Paola Harris) has been totally slated by various skeptics such as Douglas Dean Johnson and Kevin Randle. They insist that the story of the UFO which crash landed at the Trinity Nuclear Test Site in New Mexico in August 1945 is a hoax and that the testimony of the two boys who witnessed the crash, Jose Padilla and Reme Baca is false and that the event never took place at all. In addition, they criticize Vallée for sloppy fieldwork at the Trinity site and suggest that much of his previous work in ufology must be suspect and should be re-evaluated in this light.
I believe this strident criticism is unwarranted and it is simply the result a deep prejudice against allowing any suggestion that extraterrestrial spacecraft and their alien occupants might have been involved. Having said that, I should say that I don’t believe that ET UFOs or aliens were involved in any way but nevertheless I believe the Trinity UFO crash was real and the two young witnesses were largely truthful. That is my thesis and I will try to explain what must have really occurred.
Describing the aerial vehicle which crashed as a “UFO” is of course misleading since it was obviously unidentified to all of us and to Padilla and Baca as well. However it was surely identified to whatever agency sent it —whether they were human beings or aliens. After reading the Trinity book and researching the surrounding circumstances at that time I feel confident that it was certain human beings who planned this mission and that it was an aircraft of a specialized type which crash landed near the Padilla ranch. NOT just a hoax and NOT a brazen fictional account by Padilla and his cousin Baca!
Having said that I believe Randle and Johnson are simply wrong in declaring the Trinity UFO Crash/Retrieval was a hoax or else never took place. I do have to admit that such a conclusion is only to be expected in view of the many falsehoods and deceptions one finds in the UFO field. Frank Scully’s claim of an alien UFO crash at Aztec, NM, in 1948 (and its alleged subsequent retrieval by the US military) was almost certainly fictional. Then there is the most famous case of all: Roswell, NM (1947). Alleged recovery of small aliens both dead and alive, other such alleged crashes near Socorro, NM, and Ray Santilli’s fraudulent “Alien Autopsy” film riveted and deceived many for years. Clearly a different perspective was needed to see through the false claims of what was happening and, in the case of Roswell, one can find that perspective in Karl Pflock’s book, Roswell - Inconvenient Facts and the Will to Believe (published 2001). No genuine extraterrestrial “UFO” and certainly no aliens!
Bear with me and I will explain further what the mysterious UFO Crash/Retrieval at Trinity in August 1945 must have really been.
 
If the Trinity, NM “UFO” crash of August 1945 was indeed the crash of an unknown aerial vehicle the suggestion that it was an alien spacecraft which, after flying millions of miles through space, just happened to bump into the tall radio tower at the Trinity site and then fell to earth is absurd. Besides that, if the unknown aerial vehicle which did crash was some US military aircraft it would be equally naive to assume that its flight there was unconnected with the very first Atomic Bomb explosion which had taken place there a month earlier.
This Trinity atomic test of July 16th 1945 and the subsequent bombing by the US of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was what dramatically altered the balance of power in the Pacific War against Japan. Before that the only option that America had for ending this bloodthirsty conflict would have been a massive naval invasion of Japan similar to the 1944 D-Day landings in France. Such an invasion and the later land battles to occupy and subjugate Tokyo, the heart of the Japanese Empire, would quite inevitably have cost the lives of tens of thousands of US servicemen. Nor was there any guarantee of success.
For those who are unfamiliar with the Manhattan Project and the testing of the world’s first Atomic Bomb at the Trinity Test Site in New Mexico in July 1945 I can recommend the Wikipedia article Trinity (nuclear test). One should read this to understand the immense geopolitical consequences of the successful Trinity test.
President Harry S. Truman who had only assumed office in April 1945 was well aware of the appalling cost in American lives that this planned invasion would entail and suddenly, with the successful Trinity atomic test, a second option had become available to him. He was well aware of the awful responsibility he had in taking the decision whether or not to order the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I believe that Truman made the right decision in order to end the war.
The surrender of Japan at the end of August 1945 thankfully averted the need for a full-scale invasion by the US military. But for all of August top US commanders must have been asking “What if Japan does not surrender?” Further atomic bombs dropped on Japanese cities might have deadly effect but still the Japanese might refuse to surrender. What then? Perhaps there would still have to be a US invasion but one from the air and it would have be in zones that had just been devastated by atomic bombing and where there would not be any opposition. Plans and testing of the required hardware for such an aerial invasion should go ahead anyway until such time as the war was won.
For those of us who remember the Vietnam War the assumption might be that US troops and equipment would have been flown into war zones in large military helicopters. However no such helicopters were available in 1945 and one has to look back at how troops had been flown into battle zones during World War II. One method was the massed drop of paratroopers from the air into predetermined positions, possibly behind enemy lines. That sometimes proved successful but often the paratroopers and their equipment were widely scattered and lost if they all failed to assemble at some agreed position. An alternative method which kept squads of soldiers and equipment together was the use of military gliders containing perhaps 10 - 15 men plus equipment which would intentionally crash land in a straight line on (hopefully) flat ground. This of course would be a one-way mission as the glider couldn’t take off again even if it landed without any damage.
Glider troops participated in many of the major campaigns in the European Theater of Operations including the invasion of Sicily, the Normandy invasion (D-Day), Operation Market Garden and the crossing of the Rhine. They also participated in the war in the Pacific.
I suggest that if a “UFO” really did crash land at the Trinity Nuclear Test Site on August 16th 1945, it was the test flight of just such a military glider which had been specially equipped with protective shielding against nuclear radiation. Also, that the glider could have contained “volunteer” occupants who were effectively being used as guinea pigs.
 
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