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Nancy Talbot - Still in Hall of Fame?

What should Nancy Talbot's status be on ufowatchdog.com?


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She's probably not the only one who could be in both places. Having one foot in Heaven and the other in Hell sounds like most earthly lives anyway.
 
Meh, we don't really know EXACTLY what she is sitting on right now. While we all suspect it's a sham, I think we're still at a wait and see point as her crop circle work was good and really, while we've got a pretty good idea, we don't know for sure what's going on here.
 
You know this particular episode really changed my impressions of her. I thought of her as a hard-nosed researcher, but she fell for this Robbert's crap hook, line and sinker, and it doesn't seem to fit at all with her previous work. It's almost as if you're dealing with two different people.

Oh well.
 
You know this particular episode really changed my impressions of her. I thought of her as a hard-nosed researcher, but she fell for this Robbert's crap hook, line and sinker, and it doesn't seem to fit at all with her previous work. It's almost as if you're dealing with two different people.

Oh well.

As someone who has less of a personality than a committee, I can sort of understand how that might happen.
I have to admit though that I felt myself wondering if she had perhaps in her crop circle work placed a higher value on being seen to practice critical thinking than on actually doing it.
But that's mean, so I'll try to stop thinking it.
 
I don't know. Despite her relationship with/belief in this Robert character, she has done some very interesting work with crop circles.

Can you just throw away all the good stuff as well? Is that fair to the topic?
 
I mirror Schuyler's opinion - she can certainly claim a spot in both halls, for rather obvious reasons.

I'm more than happy to look at future evidence that Nancy can gather. Show me clear, crisp video of a crop circle forming where and when Robbert says it will, and I'll be very impressed. Show me video of the POV of someone taping Nancy as she shoots said footage, and I'll be really impressed.

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I thought of her as a hard-nosed researcher, but she fell for this Robbert's crap hook, line and sinker, and it doesn't seem to fit at all with her previous work.

That was my impression too. How many other researchers have gone through the same transition? How do they let that happen?
 
I mirror Schuyler's opinion - she can certainly claim a spot in both halls, for rather obvious reasons.

I'm more than happy to look at future evidence that Nancy can gather. Show me clear, crisp video of a crop circle forming where and when Robbert says it will, and I'll be very impressed. Show me video of the POV of someone taping Nancy as she shoots said footage, and I'll be really impressed.

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I do understand the thinking here and the tendancy to say she belongs in both halls. Because, as stated, I did really like her crop circle work.

But if someone can be put in both halls, what good is the categorization? It really becomes moot.
 
She has enough good evidence for the circles to make us pay attention ... then she goes the way of so many researchers, over an edge. Makes me wonder if it eventually comes with the territory.

I've tried to imagine myself with all of her scientific data, knowing what she knows of the evidence of the "real" circles and being astounded by results. Would a Robert then be able to flip my switch? I don't think so.

If she's busy chronicling Robert's experiences, I suppose she isn't testing those circles, right? Can't remember if she answered that question, but if I were her, I'd be looking long and hard at test results from those circles he supposedlly calls in advance.
 
I have great memories of having post-show drinks with Nancy at our Journey's Beyond Conference in Mobile, 2001, and discussing her crop circle work. I know that her research is tight, and she deserves some solid kudos there. Dedicated scientists like Nancy are hard to come by in this field of study.

That said...

I gotta believe that she had her bells rung a little by the Paracast. If Nancy doesn't take David's recommendations to heart, I'll be incredibly disappointed.

I'm willing to wait and see if Nancy applies some new-found common sense to Robbert.

But not for long.

I'm the lone vote so far for keeping her in.
 
I gotta believe that she had her bells rung a little by the Paracast. If Nancy doesn't take David's recommendations to heart, I'll be incredibly disappointed.

I'm willing to wait and see if Nancy applies some new-found common sense to Robbert.

But not for long.

I'm the lone vote so far for keeping her in.

Yeah, I'm with you actually. I think the quality of her crop circle work affords her a short time to realize she needs to disassociate with this guy unless there is some unknown reason she sees validation in continuing to study there... if that is the case though, she should come out with some good logical reason for doing so lest her reputation be scarred down to his level.
 
But if someone can be put in both halls, what good is the categorization? It really becomes moot.

I see your point. I think she may be nearly unique, though. If they did that with a lot of people, it wouldn't make much sense. But one? Maybe that would work. I'll tell you, though. I never would have put that voice with that face.

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I see your point. I think she may be nearly unique, though. If they did that with a lot of people, it wouldn't make much sense. But one? Maybe that would work. I'll tell you, though. I never would have put that voice with that face.

I disagree, sorry.

This is a logic situation.

In or out. 1 or 0. Yes or no. True or false.

No maybes, gray areas or the like.
 
I disagree, sorry. This is a logic situation. In or out. 1 or 0. Yes or no. True or false. No maybes, gray areas or the like.

The problem is, human nature is not binary, nor is it logical. Maybe deep down in the neurons it is, or maybe it's holographic or maybe it's something else entirely, and, maybe, just maybe, it spans more than our dimension, but at the conscious level it is extremely complex, full of variations and nuances. There's a little bit of good in bad people and a little bit of bad in everyone. Look at Michael Jackson.

The fact is, when you get a report card, you don't get just one grade. You get a bunch of them. You can excel in one subject and flunk another. There are so many analogies here we could go on forever. In the final analysis, it's not a computer giving you your grade in life. You don't add up points and make the cut or not. There is room for flexibility.

Something happened here to make Talbott go off the deep end with Robbert. I don't like people who take Psychology 101 and start analyzing. I've taken a year or more of it, so I'm going to dabble just a bit knowing and stating up front that I may be wrong. Foreign cultures can be exotic an fascinating. Holland is not that much different than here, but it IS different. Robbert is a charming young man. Watch him on a TV appearance and you'll see. Whether Talbott is invoking her motherhood instinct or whether she has fallen in love with him I don't know, but somehow she has lost all objectivity with Robbert and his family. It's quite clear she is smitten.

Given what we have found out about the family (courtesy, for the most part, due to our Dutch members here) I believe she is being carefully manipulated by this family for their own ends. They have proven they can do that. They have welcomed her with open arms. Talbott, an American, is used to rejection abroad (though the Dutch, in my experience, are unusually friendly to Americans). If Talbott is the least bit lonely in her own life, well, you can kind of see what happened. I don't know this for sure, of course. Someone with more facts may be able to easily refute it. It's my working theory.

Given what I believe may have happened here, I'm not willing to throw out a decade or more of fairly meticulous crop circle research just because she has been ensnared in Robbert's web of deceit. I see her as a bit of a victim here, a victim with a chance for recovery. You see, I still have some faith in humanity. Recall the Jonathan Swift quote: "I hate and detest the animal called Man, though I heartily love John, Peter, Thomas, and so forth."

I know, also, that were I to be judged for my life's work in a binary fashion, I would fail. I've made too many serious mistakes, though I hope I have finally learned from them. Nevertheless, I have much to atone for and perhaps, just perhaps, a few things I can point to in an attempt to tip the balance a bit. Can anyone here claim they would pass?
 
The problem is, human nature is not binary, nor is it logical...

I just want to know if she should be in the hall of fame or not on ufowatchdog.com.

After all, you ARE judged in a binary fashion.

Work - Did you meet your objectives or not? There is no maybe.

School - Did you pass the test or not? Did you graduate or not?

Did you pass your driver's test or not?

Did you pay your taxes or not?

Were you speeding or not?

1,0 yes/no true/false

We are deciding on a categorization here.

You see, I still have some faith in humanity. Recall the Jonathan Swift quote: "I hate and detest the animal called Man, though I heartily love John, Peter, Thomas, and so forth." ...

How in dippety doo did this ever get elevated to a discussion about humanity? Swift as a poet -- of course he would wax philosophical. Had he leaned toward logic philosophy instead of ethics in your quote, he would have chosen one side or the other. :rolleyes:

BTW, people simply ARE judged by the bad things they do - it trumps all the good things. To wit:

Was Richard Nixon good or bad?

Was John Wilkes Booth good or bad?

Was Adolph Hitler good or bad?

Erich von Däniken, good or bad?

I didn't establish the rules.

But I digress, if Nancy claims to be scientific and yet allows herself to be manipulated, sorry. Game, set, match. Her objectivity is shot.

She can still be a great person, fun to be around, there when you need her -- all that stuff. But she has lost her credibility as a researcher in the field, especially when the object of her manipulation is stomping all over the field she was researching.
 
If someone doesn't easily fit into one or the other, shouldn't they just be excluded altogether? Or... you could have a Hall of Questionable or something where you identify why they may qualify for both. It is likely fair to say that if you qualify for the Hall of Shame, your work warranting kudos should be held in the questionable category anyway.
 
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