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David Biedny said:In the end, the evidence of forgery is quite overwhelming and the fact that the Meier camp can't seem to produce a single verifyable piece of written evidence of genuine witness testimony or original film is a dead giveaway, along with all the other elements of deception. But, as Mr. Horn admitted on our show and his DVD, this is not about UFOs and extraterrestrials, it's about cults of personality and a philosophy which I find exceedingly disturbing - check out the mythos behind Scientology, there are many common elements with the Meier writings, I personally find it a bit sickening. I'm all for the freedom of expression, but when it becomes an exercise in brainwashing, it gets dangerous. I think that the world is in a very precarious position at the moment, and it's our job to remain vigilant and thoughtful in the face of deception and attempts to control thought and debate.
David Biedny said:And I agree with UFOMAN that the physiognomy links were not useful. Let's please not stoop to that level of discourse.
Alea said:Honestly, based on the facts as they exist right now, David rendered his expert opinion based on the Meier documents presented. Michael Horn has not provided any verifiable data that can be triangulated via scientific means (the Meier website, by the way, has a link entitled "Scientific Evidence" that is blank!). I think we did reach the bottom of the case...it's closed. Since Mr. Meier is still alive and communicating with the beings in question, I agree that he might provide primary source materials for review. Seems it would be in Meier's best interest to provide verifiable data including original negatives, metals, video with the spacecraft/occupants. If Meier were truly sincere about the spiritual intentions that are professed on the site, this would only further his honest and sincere cause. If the intention is to deceive, why then, there is no need to provide any more evidence, is there? The deception is already complete. For the Meier group to just say on their website that our questioning is related to our own lack of understanding and development doesn't cut it. As a species, humans are like that; geez, don't we have a story where a woman named Eve didn't believe her Creator when he told her not to eat from a certain tree? Or don't the Plejarians know that about us? It was very sad to hear Mr. Horn unravel on the air. I hope his personal truth satisfies him and brings him peace of mind.
Let's move on to the myriad of other paranormal experiences that are out there. Hey guys, what's next?
They have already been posted in this very forum, and you are free to click the paper clip link to download your own copy and analyze to your heart's content.Tim said:Hi Gene and David,
How can I get a copy of the of the picture David analyzed where one can "clearly see the line" that is supposidly "super imposed' two negatives put on eachother, right? That doesn't even sound right and I want some other photo specialist to take a look a comparison pictures. So where can I get a copy of your analysis?
Michael812 said:Blind rage does not proof make. What kind of a paranoid person claims that I was referring to him, when I was referring to another person...who actually supported the triple exposure (why didn't YOU see that) but is sensible enough to also know that proof requires PROOF?
And please, with the vile level of insults that come your mouth, as well as those of your cult here, why should I expose another person, who is indeed a hihg-level, even skeptical, professional in the industry, to your degenerate assaults? I'm more than glad to represent myself here and stnad on my own words. When I state that there are others who have voiced their opinions (Samy's Camera, L.A. and ICON, L.A.) as well as my associate, that's the truth.
Look, you're a committed slanderer who will smear people based on your unsubstnatiated egomaniacal needs to be important. You need to reread my post and you need to know that no matter how much blathering and angry spewing you do...one simple, little photo from you will acquire my concession to your position. Until then, pardon my oldfashioned "innocent until PROVEN guilty" position. The truth always wins out, we just have to be patient enough for it to do so. And I am.
The claims for Meier's abilities to do that were entirely out of his range, knowledge, eperience and equipment. This has been thoroughly established. And I haven't yet gone into it but DB's analysis of the photo has just a few problems when he presumes Meier was skillful enough to do it, which included a rather tricky triple exposure of the lower portion of the house that, upon close examination, actually shows that the light object was photographed within/against a backgrond that INCLUDED the portion with the house.
For Meier to have somehow DELIBERATELY created this effect - which according to two other experts is definitely in-camera - would take remarkable skill, such as DB himself probably does not possess. And, as I said, we will never see it forthcoming from him.
Michael812 said:If you wait long enough the fool sticks his foot in his mouth, again. Meier types it all out at about 60 words per minute, with one hand...we have it on video. Don't bother with the facts, just attack. What a loser.
And since you're quick to point out the capabilitie of a one-armed man, which indeed far exceed anything you are capable of - including doing farmwork, etc. - I think you have now OBLIGATED yourself to put up or shut up. DUPLICATE the "deliberate hoax" and, heck, use two hands, you'll need at least that.
Go on, after all, you KNOW Meier's capable of it, let's see what DB can do.
People, pay attention, this guy ain't gonna do squat.
Oh yeah, my anonymous friend, he's the one who caught the triple exposure...what happened to you Mr. Expert?
And why not put up one of those Days Since DB Was Challenged To Duplicate One Photo clocks, it will rack up a whole lotta days there!
And now, yet another radio interivew, until much later, fight amongst yourselves!
If I may, let me contribute a small observation here. David has only so much time to analyze photos gratis. He also needs to make a living and have a life outside of digital imaging, audio and video production, and doing talk shows with me.Kingman said:DB,
Your sounding like your only interested in bashing a person with what amounts to mere research material. MH isn't a recruiter, he's not violent, his compassion for the planet and human condition is incredible and he's definitely not a punching bag. I'd have to say that you attacking position is creating a new image for yourself and it's not a good one. Pull back man and see if he's still breathing. To defend a position is honorable, to attack one is not. And don't be such a one trick pony, there's 1000's of more images to work with.