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If we want gun control we should start with the Pentagon.Sorry but I had to turn off the show when Loren got on his soapbox about disarming gun owners. He seemed ornery and pissed off up to that point anyways so no big loss.
I agree... Especially since his opinions are not backed up by proof(facts and stats, which actually point to the polar opposite conclusions), which is odd considering proof is what everyone screams for when dealing with the paranormal.Sorry but I had to turn off the show when Loren got on his soapbox about disarming gun owners. He seemed ornery and pissed off up to that point anyways so no big loss.
I turned the show off at this point as well. Otherwise it was enjoyable up until that point.Sorry but I had to turn off the show when Loren got on his soapbox about disarming gun owners. He seemed ornery and pissed off up to that point anyways so no big loss.
You make many valid points. Unfortunately, the groups defining the debate are 180 degrees opposite from each other. You need to read the American Rifleman if you wish to understand where the N.R.A. stands. They won't give an inch in the battle over gun control. They have the money and backing of their members to go head to head.Coleman's points around gun control were far from ornery or soapboxy. He made some pretty simple statements about people keeping guns out of the hands of children i.e. slack gun owners who don't store properly, and also made statements about whether or not assault weapons that have been used in previous mass shootings in America are things that should be sold. Technically I understand the following based on previous very informative debates about gun control on the forum:
- America is a gun culture and that can not be changed.
- Other gun culture countries like Switzerland do not have mass shootings like America does.
- America is a leader in mass shootings and needs to address this problem
- Guns are common family household items that are treated with respect in most homes and used for very functional reasons, like you would own a shovel
- Assault weapons require a high degree of hurdles to jump through before you can own one.
- The police are not there to save you from criminals - that's apparently an individual responsibility.
- The proliferation/promotion of weapons as a commodity has increased access to youth shooting grandma and their siblings. These tragedies appear to outweigh reports of kids saving the homestead with the family gun from criminals
- More guns=more gun tragedies and waste of life
- You'll never be able to remove the right to bear arms but why not work on minimizing tragedy?
- The N.R.A. needs to address issues of tragedy in the face of rejecting every single restriction that is attempted to try to eliminate tragedy. They just say it's people who kill people and not the innocent gun - so what, should we ban bad people? They need to be a little more practice and less rah rah rah the gun yay!
- Gun control and gun tragedies = a ludicrous situation that appears to have no answers because the will to change the situation does not exist.