Jay Stratton's new book: Out of the Shadows

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Here's the blurb:

An explosive memoir by the most senior U.S. Intelligence Official to investigate unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) and non-human intelligent life

For over thirty-two years, Jay Stratton served the U.S. on the battlefield and as a senior member of the National Intelligence Community. He specialized in emerging and disruptive aerospace technologies, including the most classified U.S. capabilities, making him uniquely qualified to identify anything in air and space. But when presented with a video of a mysterious advanced aerospace vehicle over a sensitive nuclear weapon site, Stratton quickly found himself investigating the most significant national security threat he had ever faced.
Determined to uncover the truth, Stratton cofounded the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP), the first official U.S. Government program to investigate UAP since the closure of the Air Force’s Project Blue Book. Confronted by institutional secrecy, Stratton learned that there is a deeply hidden UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that has been covering up the existence of non-human intelligent life for eighty years—keeping the truth from the public, Congress, and even Presidents. These powerful gatekeepers did not want Stratton to bring about disclosure. Risking everything, Stratton relentlessly pursued his investigation while informing Congress of his findings.
Facing obstacles and threats at every turn, he pressed forward and ultimately established the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF), the first whole-of-government UAP program, forcing the nation’s leadership to finally confront the unknown and inform the public.
Now, Stratton comes out of the shadows to provide a startling and eye-opening firsthand account of his battle to uncover the truth and address the most mysterious and complex national security threat of our time. He shares the shocking discoveries, challenges, behind-the-scenes revelations, and close encounters that profoundly altered his understanding of humanity’s place in the universe and took a disturbing toll on him and his family.
Out of the Shadows reads like a thriller while revealing the definitive history of the modern-day U.S. Government investigation of UAP and non-human life. It is a high-stakes journey into the deepest and most significant mystery in human history, leaving us to question everything we thought we knew.

I'll probably read it if it ever goes on sale, but right now it sounds like Jason Bourne, but with UFOs. Apparently he was Elizondo's boss. I dunno, I think somebody in intelligence was winding this guy up. Eighty years of crash retrievals with reverse engineering? Oh dear.

 

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Here's the blurb:


I'll probably read it if it ever goes on sale, but right now it sounds like Jason Bourne, but with UFOs. Apparently he was Elizondo's boss. I dunno, I think somebody in intelligence was winding this guy up. Eighty years of crash retrievals with reverse engineering? Oh dear.

Yea I think your on the right track.
Sounds like a book Philip Corso would be proud of.

 

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This history of senior insiders revealing "what they've been told about crash retrievals and aliens on earth" is a loop that keeps repeating in Ufology. In this case Stratton did in fact have some first hand investigative history in terms of UFO data, but this whole retrieval program B.S. is just show.

In talking with Greg Bishop, this show seems to be at the behest of other three layer agencies, and for their own spook reasons that really have nothing to do with UFO's. The motives for these supposed inside revelations never really serve anything except to keep a rather large myth alive. It also is spawning a lot of really bad, junk media - even the Alien Autopsy movie is back.

Still, I'd rather hear this guy on the Paracast than that last guest. What was that all about? I felt like we were hearing someone trying to recount what they read off the back covers of paperbacks. There was absolutely nothing of value in that - just a lot of meandering around.

Are there any crash retrievals that have any legitimacy to them at all? I don't know what Kecksburg was but that was definitely scooped up by the military, and Varginha has some very interesting testimony attached to it. And I know that Randle just made the argument for Roswell potentially being alien only because everything human made has been ruled out. Where's all those bits of saucers that Bigelow has stored away somewhere? Is everything crated up inside the Indiana Jones warehouse of odd treasures?

 

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This history of senior insiders revealing "what they've been told about crash retrievals and aliens on earth" is a loop that keeps repeating in Ufology. In this case Stratton did in fact have some first hand investigative history in terms of UFO data, but this whole retrieval program B.S. is just show.

Oh absolutely. I do wonder if they just swap alien retrieval stories just as a way of winding each other up at this point. Or if they are playing some unholy game of chicken that Elizondo unwittingly restarted with a wink and a nudge at Rick Doty.

In talking with Greg Bishop, this show seems to be at the behest of other three layer agencies, and for their own spook reasons that really have nothing to do with UFO's. The motives for these supposed inside revelations never really serve anything except to keep a rather large myth alive. It also is spawning a lot of really bad, junk media - even the Alien Autopsy movie is back.

What a freaking surprise. It may be just part of a larger espionage game or security testing. I agree, it has less to do with UFOs and more to do with things like fiscal allocations.

Still, I'd rather hear this guy on the Paracast than that last guest. What was that all about? I felt like we were hearing someone trying to recount what they read off the back covers of paperbacks. There was absolutely nothing of value in that - just a lot of meandering around.

Which one, Chaire or Dennet. I thought Chaire was entertaining. Dennet just made me groan.

Are there any crash retrievals that have any legitimacy to them at all? I don't know what Kecksburg was but that was definitely scooped up by the military, and Varginha has some very interesting testimony attached to it. And I know that Randle just made the argument for Roswell potentially being alien only because everything human made has been ruled out. Where's all those bits of saucers that Bigelow has stored away somewhere? Is everything crated up inside the Indiana Jones warehouse of odd treasures?

I'm not sure I even believe in crash retrievals anymore. The older I get, the more I realize how sophisticated and technologically advanced a society would need to be in order to even create ships capable of interstellar travel. Just the layer of systems for safety alone would be mind-boggling. And then they would need to be integrated with things like navigation, communications, life support, propulsion, and sensors for all sorts of things. Not to mention the things needed for medical care, sustenance, and hygiene for the crew. And if that's the case, then how is a crash like even freaking possible?

I'm trying to remember which show it was that I saw years ago. Roswell was either one of the things discussed or was the only topic. They interviewed a dude who was an amateur aviation historian. He mentioned that crash debris always ends up in washes and creeks and riverbeds. That's how he found debris for even experimental aircraft, because it's very difficult to collect everything, especially if the crash covers a wide area. He went on to say that he found nothing from Roswell.

Honestly, Kecksberg and Varginha were probably military something or others. James Carrion had a theory that the Roswell crash was actually an attempt to break Russian ciphers, which I don't know if I believe, but it may have been an intelligence operation. The fact that Rick Doty so quickly moved to aliens with his disinfo, could be likely as that was already in the playbook from 1947.

 

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Yea I think your on the right track.
Sounds like a book Philip Corso would be proud of.

Christ, I haven't thought about that joker in years.

 

[Burnt State]

Which one, Chaire or Dennet. I thought Chaire was entertaining. Dennet just made me groan.

Actually, I found both to be problematic. Chaire just gave us thumbnail sketches of material that's been covered in depth by the Paracast across its history. I felt his interview was just surface skimming topics. Dennet, on the other hand, was a tour down Space Brother Believerville Lane.

UFO abduction promoters always seem to shakedown on either the side of demonic or loving space brothers. A lot of conspiracies and false info was being promoted across his discussion - I was a little surprised at how there was no separating signal from noise here and just complete acceptance of his belief system. But then the contactee movement has always had a religious component to them.

I'm not sure I even believe in crash retrievals anymore. The older I get, the more I realize how sophisticated and technologically advanced a society would need to be in order to even create ships capable of interstellar travel. Just the layer of systems for safety alone would be mind-boggling. And then they would need to be integrated with things like navigation, communications, life support, propulsion, and sensors for all sorts of things. Not to mention the things needed for medical care, sustenance, and hygiene for the crew. And if that's the case, then how is a crash like even freaking possible?

I like your brand of skepticism. If you are not going to subscribe to technological magic or interdimensional origins then the linear interstellar path from wherever to earth has always been entirely ridiculous in my mind. If you had the tech to complete such travel, you certainly would never send another lifeform to complete the mission, and even robots in a ship is a waste of resources. I always thought the equivalent of self replicating nanobots could make your journey and discover whatever you needed to without anyone here on this planet noticing a thing.

You wouldnt need to trade pancakes for water while parked outside Joe Symington's place, abduct two guys fishing on the Pascagoula River and float them back to the ship, or have your robots fail in capturing Donald Shrum in Cisco Grove with your robots and their sleep gas while he shoots arrows at them from up in a tree. The list of failed and ridiculous abduction events are lengthy and you have to ask, why would anyone come all this way and send out rolling sea mines to try and drag Bob Taylor out of the Dechmont Woods? Who would send down life forms to collect soil samples? It's all quite absurd really.

I'm trying to remember which show it was that I saw years ago. Roswell was either one of the things discussed or was the only topic. They interviewed a dude who was an amateur aviation historian. He mentioned that crash debris always ends up in washes and creeks and riverbeds. That's how he found debris for even experimental aircraft, because it's very difficult to collect everything, especially if the crash covers a wide area. He went on to say that he found nothing from Roswell.

And yet, there's Pasulka claiming that she was blindfolded and lead to a ufo crash site where debris was still hanging out in the dessert because that's how debris works. Apparently, they still found stuff from a saucer while visiting a site that was also the site of a famous Catholic saint's bilocation event. Religion always creeps back into the picture.

Honestly, Kecksberg and Varginha were probably military something or others. James Carrion had a theory that the Roswell crash was actually an attempt to break Russian ciphers, which I don't know if I believe, but it may have been an intelligence operation. The fact that Rick Doty so quickly moved to aliens with his disinfo, could be likely as that was already in the playbook from 1947.

Kecksburg I can see being a downed satellite perhaps or foreign tech, but I don't understand why the MIB pressure exerted on the townsfolk as faithfully reported by Stan Gordon. I don't know what to say about Varginha as the witnesses hold firm to their alien sighting and the movie did expose the whole death of the person who came into direct contact with one of these creatures. That one and the Brazil bloodsuckers are bizarre cases.

But I agree about the alien playbook as a means and a method for many agencies to achieve all manner of strange goals.

 

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And yet, there's Pasulka claiming that she was blindfolded and lead to a ufo crash site where debris was still hanging out in the dessert because that's how debris works. Apparently, they still found stuff from a saucer while visiting a site that was also the site of a famous Catholic saint's bilocation event. Religion always creeps back into the picture.

Oh, there are some interesting updates on that one. They figured who "Tyler" was. He's Tim E. Taylor and he works for NASA. His claims of excavating the site for 40 years was a lie. Apparently he found out about it during a contact event in 2010 or 2011. Nolan says the honeycomb object is actually a human engineered piece from the early 20th century. He's still researching the other materials, but other than some anomalous magnesium and silicon isotopes, all the elements are elements are found on earth. Now, Nolan says that there does seem to be evidence of a crash at the site they were at, but............

I'm going to digress a little here, since it was Nolan who got approached with the brain scans. One of the people claimed to be ex-CIA, and the other the president or CEO of an aerospace company. Sounds like they were researching Havana Syndrome and were using UFO interactions as a cover.

 

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UFO abduction promoters always seem to shakedown on either the side of demonic or loving space brothers. A lot of conspiracies and false info was being promoted across his discussion - I was a little surprised at how there was no separating signal from noise here and just complete acceptance of his belief system. But then the contactee movement has always had a religious component to them.

I thought of this next bit after I posted my original response, but I am reminded of Roadside Picnic. The premise of which is that there are advanced spacefaring species who we don't even register with because we are the ants at the picnic, so to ascribe them demonic or benevolent is only our own projection. The other premise that Roadside Picnic offers is that there could be ways in which alien tech ends up on our planet without a crash landing.