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mikec

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There is an aspect of the UFO phenomenon that the show seems to avoid -- The overtly spiritual and mystical side of things. Yes, the "New-Age" weirdness.

Just so you know, when ever I hear the "New-Age" term, I sort of reflexively cringe. But it's there, and some folks are pretty level headed about how they present their insights.

And yes - this includes CHANNELING. This is as weird and as fringy as it gets, but it is another puzzle piece to this mystery. By avoiding this end of the phenomenon, you are doing a disservice to the BIG picture.

Is The Paracast purposely avoiding this subject?

Stan Friedman get called on his avoiding anything beyond the ETH. Are Gene and David - in a way - guilty of the same thing?

There are some researchers with a spiritual and blissful bend to their conclusions.



Below is a short list of people I respect:
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* Leo Sprinkle
* Barbara Lamb
* Dolores Cannon
* Lissette Larkins
* Michelle LaVinge
* Phyllis Schlemmer
* Joe Lewels
* Michael Oram


Now - I'll repeat what I wrote above. The whole New-Age thing can make me cringe, true enough. But it's a very real sub-chapter in this big crazy buncha weirdness. It needs to be explored as much as any other aspect.

Any thoughts?


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I'm willing to guess that most of the things that make you cringe, makes them cringe. I think they'd make metaphysics a priority over new agey stuff though. Vallee would be on before any one promoting crystal power as an example. They've had a few guest on I considered new agey. Sort of a loose term though.

If you know of any channelers that are willing to be tested on air, I'm sure they'd go for it. Most don't.
 
Well, they did have Bruce Goldberg on and it was a New Age astral train wreck!:D
The show sticks to UFO phenomena, with occasional stretches into ghost stuff. What you're talking about would be to expand the scope of the show. That might not be so bad, but ufologists are wacky enough, adding extra wackiness might be too much.
Having said that, I'm not familiar with any of the people you listed, except maybe Canon. Maybe they're worthwhile.
 
Okay - I'm gunna comment on the Line:
"ufologists are wacky enough, adding extra wackiness might be too much."



Hmmmm... Is the New-Age stuff really that wacky?

Any wackier than Richard Dolan saying that there is evidence that the US government is looking into UFO's?

Any wackier than Jeff Ritzman telling about floating cubes he sees in his bedroom at night?

Any wackier than Stanton Friedman taking the Betty and Barney Hill story seriously?

Or - - - Any wackier than David Biedny saying he saw a giant cigar shaped craft that disappeared before his eyes?

Everybody PRAISES Jacques Vallee for taking in ALL the available evidence and not being locked into any conclusion. Yes, there is some whacky stuff out there - but it is PART of this entire phenomenon.


The Paracast does a really good job at looking at a LOT of the puzzle pieces, but it feels like they are missing this one very real piece.



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The much respected The Clueless One talks about having a powerful "I AM" vision, and whirling kundalini energy (pretty wacky). And I love that guy.


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I don't know if I ever heard the Bruce Golberg show. I'll dig it up.
 
Brian Now said:
Well, they did have Bruce Goldberg on and it was a New Age astral train wreck!:D
The show sticks to UFO phenomena, with occasional stretches into ghost stuff. What you're talking about would be to expand the scope of the show. That might not be so bad, but ufologists are wacky enough, adding extra wackiness might be too much.
Having said that, I'm not familiar with any of the people you listed, except maybe Canon. Maybe they're worthwhile.
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Yeh, Bruce came to mind lol.

The show deals with the paranormal. And sometimes chocolate.
 
Hmmmm... Is the New-Age stuff really that wacky?

Any wackier than Richard Dolan saying that there is evidence that the US government is looking into UFO's?

Any wackier than Jeff Ritzman telling about floating cubes he sees in his bedroom at night?

Any wackier than Stanton Friedman taking the Betty and Barney Hill story seriously?

Or - - - Any wackier than David Biedny saying he saw a giant cigar shaped craft that disappeared before his eyes?
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Yes to all but Jeff's cube lol.
 
I'm listening to the Bruce Goldberg interview. And - Yup, he's sort of an intense dude.

I am intrigued by much of what he talks about, but he's a curious spokesman for his cause.
 
The Clueless One's CULTURE OF CONTACT podcast is covering the "New-Agey" stuff in a way that is pretty great. He has an even keeled way of looking at this weird stuff.

link:
http://blog.valiens.com/

I was hoping to hear THE PARACAST go in this direction, at least a little bit. But Jeremy is doing it right now.

peace,
Mike!
 
This is an interesting quandary. I know I have a weird continuum in the way I try and quantify this stuff.

I mean, I have a total knee-jerk reaction to anything that smells of Sedona, crystals and flute music. The heavy-handed new-age thing just creeps me out.

I really wanna dismiss it outright. But - it's a very REAL part of this whole phenomenon. It's funny, I kind of draw a line on this stuff, and I have a hard time crossing it. But - it feels like it NEEDS investigating.

Are Gene and Dave avoiding overtly NOO-Agey guests. The line up of guests over the last few years seems to lead me to say yes. Maybe they are just a little too far down the continuum, out of a certain comfort zone.

That said - - - I went thru a several year phase of my life where I was utterly compelled to read channeled books, and I read a LOT of 'em. The stuff was over-the-top SUPER Noo-Agey. It was weird. That phase of my life is over, I've moved on, but it was really funny how "helpful" all that info ended up being.

And - I gotta say, I get totally irritated by the lame music at new-age events. It creeps me out. Geeesh.

peace
M!
 
If the books do one a real service, it's to sharpen the power of discernment, I think. That comes in handy when investigating any phenomena, even what appears to be real news.

Investigating New Age principals can be full of pitfalls, just as established religions can, but as in most all religious movements, there are a few pearls to be found. One does himself a favor if he keeps the pearls and moves on, IMO.

I felt myself drawn to one supposedly channeled book, Mikec, The Course In Miracles. Had no desire to take the Course, but the book occasionally gives me inspiration to be a better person. On rare occasions, I open it and find an appropriate reminder to get out of my head and into a better place. I couldn't care less that it's supposedly a channeling of Jesus, (I doubt that it is, in fact,) but it's full of wisdom that strikes a bell sometimes, one that is unselfish. So be it.

I wouldn't be receptive to a show involving Course practitioners, however. When big numbers of people "practice" anything, I begin to get very uncomfortable in their midst. Going inward is a personal thing and the personal can get diluted or distorted with too many personalities expounding on wisdom. Hmmm. Just like the UFO field of investigation.
 
Whether intentional or not I like the trifecta of podcasts. Dave & Gene - factual and accountable. Jeremy - Experiencer and New Agey. Ritzman - Experiencer (What the fuck is going on (from a sensible or realistic viewpoint, as much as one can get)
 
Okay - let's re-phrase this thread like this:

Is the PARACAST avoiding the abduction phenomenon?

There are certainly some guests that fit the bill, like Dave Jacobs (a really good interview). But not many.

And (depending how you look at it) the abduction Phenomenon falls into two camps, the terrifying stuff, and the blissful stuff.

When the PARACAST does look at this topic, they seem to focus only on the terrifying stuff. ANd, by doing this, they are missing part of the weirdness and mystery surrounding this fringe corner of a fringe topic.

To me the abduction thing is like the gorilla in the living room, it's there, but nobody wants to deal with it.
 
Gene, do you feel like you guys are avoiding any subject worth looking at?

And Mike, what is it you want - abductees or New Agey guests? I, for one, would love to see Gene & Dave attempt an interview with someone who claims to channel aliens or, like Jean Ocean, who travels with dolphins to several possible human futures to bring us back bits of knowledge we can use now.

In fact, forget the DONATE button--For an episode like that, we could set up a betting pool to see how long Dave can go before he reaches into the phone, pulls the guest through, pummels her, and chucks her out the window. House takes a percentage.

That's the only reason I'd want an episode like that but it wouldn't accomplish anything positive for The Paracast.
 
Okay - I put the term "New-Agey" in quotes on purpose. It's a loaded term.

Yes, it's easy to make fun of crystals, vibrations and dalphins (and don't get me started on the lame music). And I can be as dismissive and cynical as anyone.

But...

As I type this, I am sitting in a room with a LOT of books UFO books. Most of them are focused on the abduction phenomenon, and some are even - yes - new agey. And some of those new-agey books are really interesting.

I think that the new-agey stuff has something to offer. It's part of the complete weirdness that accompanies this phenomenon. And, I think the abduction stuff is so much more bizare than little doctors coming from another planet on metal space ships to collect data. That's exactly the impression one would get from late nite cable TV documentaries - but it's SO much stranger.

I am really genuinly perplexed by the abduction thing and all it's creepy (or transformative?) implications. Maybe to the point of obsession.

True enough. I am hungry for more in depth abduction talk, and some more "fringy" guests too. (Yeccch, "fringy" is a lousy term too)


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I'll add that I just put up another thread sorta like this titled: Is THE PARACAST avoiding the abduction phenomenon?
 
Hi All,

Some of the "New Agey" stuff is also associated with the Ancient Astronauts which is the topic coming up tomorrow with Klaus on July 20th.

Although Klaus is coming at it from a different angle as it concerns ancient artifacts.

Avoiding the salvageable items that the "New Age" offers is similar in how the debunkers to UFO's trash everything with the topic at hand. :frown:
 
Anything regarding Ancient Astronauts gives me a chubby. We probably don't know 95% of what has happened in our distant past.

I'll never forget I saw a special on AA one time and they spent the whole show with this one researcher who said that ancient astronauts came, enslaved our ancestors and forced them to mine gold. I was speechless. Not one word about all the different cultures around the world with the same creation story, drawings and myths/folklore regarding beings coming down from the heavens.

The best website on this subject is legendary times. Excellent site.
 
Hey - wanna hear a good immersion into the "new-age" weirdness that seems to emerge from this UFO thing?

There is a PODCAST where The Clueless One interviews New Yorker Alan Steinfeld. (link below)

Now, I wanna (desperatly NEED to) find a NEW vocabulary word, the "New-Age" thing just smells of crystals and flute music. Please - someone PLEASE, help me find a better word.

Emerging consciousness?

Spiritual Evolution?

Personal Transformation?

Jeeeesh, those all have their own heavy-handed trappings too!


Also - This was a really good interview, and as I listened I got all amped up, and I kept on wanting to butt in and add my two-cents to the debate. I could have interjected a few gems, and I would'a sounded really smart - and my ego would'a LOVED it!

A pithy quote I liked from from Alan S:
"Okay, tell me Big Cool Master, what wakes people up?"

I give Jeremy credit, his reflexive reply is good...



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Culture of Contact Podcast with Alan Steinfeld:
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http://blog.valiens.com/2008/07/21/culture-of-contact-episode-45-alan-steinfelds-new-reality.aspx


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I feel like I've been ranting like a one note record. Sorry, but I really WANT some big insight out of my compulsive focus on the abduction phenomenon.

The stuff between Alan and Jeremy (above) is really good. It tapped into a side of this UFO thing that sure doesn't come up with historians looking at old government documents about roswell.

I gotta say, I am bored with stories of airline pilots describing anomalous lights in the sky. There is something SO much more intense in this whole UFO thing. And I'm feeling NEEDY for that deeper stuff.
 
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