Is it possible to Photograph a Bigfoot?

[Han]

This is a question that fascinates me. please vote and feel free to contribute your thoughts.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Interesting question. I've seen a couple first hand accounts, where the witness becomes quite emotional and you could tell he/she was disturbed at what they believe they saw.

 

[Burnt State]

It's absolutely impossible as he's an assemblage of various creatures, like a Jellyfish colony, that only is perceived in our mind as a large hairy hominid; because, that's how we interpret the wavelengths of light reflecting off his off-worldly external sheath. Or at least that's what's currently getting taught in my high school biology classes.

 

[Han]

It's absolutely impossible as he's an assemblage of various creatures, like a Jellyfish colony, that only is perceived in our mind as a large hairy hominid; because, that's how we interpret the wavelengths of light reflecting off his off-worldly external sheath. Or at least that's what's currently getting taught in my high school biology classes.

You can take a photograph of a jelly fish colony.
& other "creatures"

 

[Wade]

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Interesting question. I've seen a couple first hand accounts, where the witness becomes quite emotional and you could tell he/she was disturbed at what they believe they saw.

This is why I would question the Patterson film because Roger ran towards the BF. It seems in many reports people report an overiding sense of dread or fear when in the vicinity of a BF. If one wants to argue this feeling is induced by the BF as a self defense system, on the day of the Patterson sighting the BF forgot this, even a skunk ...or a porcipine...remembers what to do when threatened

other than that I'm not really famiar with the other evidence that would bolster Mr. Pattetson's case but I always thought this was a strange thing, but perhaps I'm making too much of it.

 

[Burnt State]

You can take a photograph of a jelly fish colony.
& other "creatures"

yeah, you can, but you can't when their external sheaths come from another planet and the only way they manifest in our mind is like a bigfoot. If we were talking about other-worldy jellyfish colonies currently in our oceans, well those ones all look like mermaids.

 

[manxman]

so to recap, the consensus here is bigfoot is a shape shifting alien ?.

feckme lenghtways.

 

[boomerang]

It's absolutely impossible as he's an assemblage of various creatures, like a Jellyfish colony, that only is perceived in our mind as a large hairy hominid; because, that's how we interpret the wavelengths of light reflecting off his off-worldly external sheath. Or at least that's what's currently getting taught in my high school biology classes.

Can't tell if you are serious, but I find the idea fascinating. A kind of self-organizing hive intelligence maybe? I need to think twice about stepping on those pesky cockroaches.


I see Bigfoot as a series of experienced events as opposed to a biological critter awaiting taxonomy. Like the UFO, it seems manifest to credible people on its own terms, leaves just enough trace evidence to confound the hell out of serious researchers then vanishes from whence it came. It seems to maintain control of a given sighting, much as UFOs and other things regarded as paranormal.
Promise to eat my words if a Bigfoot carcass shows up for analysis. But I'm not holding my breath.

There is another 'nuts and bolts' theory that might fit the evidence and it is a wild stretch. What if the Bigfoot is a protected species hidden and sheltered by a non-human faction living amongst us? Not likely. But then neither are 10 foot hairy humanoids.

 

[Burnt State]

Can't tell if you are serious, but I find the idea fascinating. A kind of self-organizing hive intelligence maybe? I need to think twice about stepping on those pesky cockroaches.


I see Bigfoot as a series of experienced events as opposed to a biological critter awaiting taxonomy. Like the UFO, it seems manifest to credible people on its own terms, leaves just enough trace evidence to confound the hell out of serious researchers then vanishes from whence it came. It seems to maintain control of a given sighting, much as UFOs and other things regarded as paranormal.
Promise to eat my words if a Bigfoot carcass shows up for analysis. But I'm not holding my breath.

There is another 'nuts and bolts' theory that might fit the evidence and it is a wild stretch. What if the Bigfoot is a protected species hidden and sheltered by a non-human faction living amongst us? Not likely. But then neither are 10 foot hairy humanoids.

On eBay, many years ago, there was this guy that would offer an original 1st generation copy of the Patterson/Gimlin film for sale for 1.5 million dollars. There were only five of these films made and four of them are unaccounted for. On his website he had documented proof, through frame by frame analysis of the film, that Bigfoot was in fact a shape shifting, colony lifeform alien. He would show up to sell the movie every five or so years. I forget if it was actually Dahinden, the only known copy owner, but it must have been.

I really like your summary of the big furry guy as he sounds exactly like a UFO. This should tell us something. And then there are those reports of the aliens with their remote control Bigfoot black box from Ronco, so you could be onto something there with Bigfoot as a protected species. Maybe the earth is a giant game preserve just for him, an exiled rare species, and then humans suddenly evolved and are starting to make a real mess of the big guy's habitat.

Of course my favourite theory of Bigfoot is that he's "stealin' our womenfolk" which gives us all the more reason to run wildly into the woods to hunt that bugger down! I mean can we really stand for bigfoot mating with our women, continuing the lineage?! The way that the last guest spoke on BF, like he was just a regular old furry hominid who gets a little sweet on the mountain girls, well i just find that a little too much to believe. I hear when BF is sweet on someone he always leave his scat under her window to show his fond intentions. What is up with that?


This happy couple is looking for a remote, 2 bedroom bungalow style cave with varied and high calorie food sources nearby.
The five strangest theories about Sasquatch

 

[Han]

Of course my favourite theory of Bigfoot is that he's "stealin' our womenfolk" which gives us all the more reason to run wildly into the woods to hunt that bugger down! I mean can we really stand for bigfoot mating with our women, continuing the lineage?! The way that the last guest spoke on BF, like he was just a regular old furry hominid who gets a little sweet on the mountain girls, well i just find that a little too much to believe. I hear when BF is sweet on someone he always leave his scat under her window to show his fond intentions. What is up with that?

I try to avoid the more "gruesome" aspects of the "paranormal" but in relation to this point: My understanding is that in the past (pre police and or forensics) "bogey" men were often blamed for "crimes" (kidnapping etc) by the actual perpetrators of the offences.

As for the strange behaviours allegedly exhibited by Bigfoot in this incident(s), they seem to have originated from people who have a poor (at best) understanding of primate behaviour, and the animal kingdom in general.
Just like science fiction, I believe it takes a person with extensive knowledge of where the "grey" areas are in our current understanding, and an ability to exploit them, to create a "believable" work.


Just for clarity’s sake I want to reiterate that I am convinced as to the existence of Bigfoot, but not in the way that "they" tell you, in fact if "Bigfoot" is proved to be a "primate" I will eat my hat, coat and gloves!

 

[Burnt State]

Bigfoot is interesting in a way much unlike Nessie. Nessie was just a poor sad dinosaur, trapped in a Scottish Loch, the forgotten creature, a lonely weird thing. You could really have pity on Nessie. But BF is a whole other kettle of fish and am constantly amazed by the incredible diversity of stories about this character. The way J.C. spoke about the furry folk, like these were things he had grown up learning about in school and that they just happen to leave scat for their sweethearts etc. like he's been working with these creatures with great familiarity all his life. Forget photos, I'm surprised he doesn't have his own David Attenborough series on NatGeo, "The Perils of Habitat Decline for the Northwestern Bigfoot."

The reports of BF, as we now know range from a lot of fakery and myth invention through the avid footprint, photo and even frozen body forgery, to some pretty interesting and intense witness reports. When you run into a bear or a moose in the woods you know what it is. Just what exactly is it that people keep running into? Where are they all? And what's up with all the many footprints, dermal ridges etc.?

My favourite all time tale is the emergency evacuation of Bigfoot on a burning mountain range where the military interpreter is speaking to Bigfoot in an 'alien' tongue while they're in a helicopter was it? and then reporting back what he said - just wonderful stuff!

So, Han, what do you think is the deal with bigfoot and if paranormal, what's with all the footprints, but no proof of fur or scat, or untidy leftovers from unfinished meals?

 

[boomerang]

Of course my favourite theory of Bigfoot is that he's "stealin' our womenfolk" which gives us all the more reason to run wildly into the woods to hunt that bugger down! I mean can we really stand for bigfoot mating with our women, continuing the lineage?!

Those low-down polecats ! And stealin' shine from out stills on cold winter nights !

 

[Han]

So, Han, what do you think is the deal with bigfoot and if paranormal, what's with all the footprints, but no proof of fur or scat, or untidy leftovers from unfinished meals?

RE: Bigfoot "Footprints" or "tracks" the way I see it is that whilst it is possible to cast some doubt on the abilities of "human" hunters or trackers, in my opinion dogs are capable of following the "scent trail" of almost anything, including things they are afraid of, like Lions for example, so if Bigfoot was "walking" about leaving footprints for the "humans" and a scent trail for the dogs, I think one would have been captured by now?



My understanding is that footprints alone are not enough to prove the "physical" presence of an animal; they must at the least be accompanied by some "biological" evidence.


Also Footprint impressions would present a viable opportunity to collect "DNA" if for example there were sharp stones, or "thorns" within the area "depressed" by the soul of the "track makers" foot/paw, they might collect skin, hair or blood cells which could be analysed? If this has occurred to me then surely someone else has had the same idea? And if not why not?

 

[nameless]

that's how we interpret the wavelengths of light reflecting off his off-worldly external sheath. Or at least that's what's currently getting taught in my high school biology classes.

saucy

 

[Jeff Davis]

I try to avoid the more "gruesome" aspects of the "paranormal" but in relation to this point: My understanding is that in the past (pre police and or forensics) "bogey" men were often blamed for "crimes" (kidnapping etc) by the actual perpetrators of the offences.

As for the strange behaviours allegedly exhibited by Bigfoot in this incident(s), they seem to have originated from people who have a poor (at best) understanding of primate behaviour, and the animal kingdom in general.
Just like science fiction, I believe it takes a person with extensive knowledge of where the "grey" areas are in our current understanding, and an ability to exploit them, to create a "believable" work.


Just for clarity’s sake I want to reiterate that I am convinced as to the existence of Bigfoot, but not in the way that "they" tell you, in fact if "Bigfoot" is proved to be a "primate" I will eat my hat, coat and gloves!

Han,
I am quite intrigued as to your estimate of the Bigfoot situation. What do you suspect that Bigfoot actually is? A manifestation of the collective unconscious, feral humans, Neanderthals ?

I have a theory that Bigfoot is actually a far and away more so evolved original inhabitant of Earth than mankind is itself. Possibly mankind is a subsequent mutation of Bigfoot. Bigfeet = Protoman evolved to a status of near complete post biological existence. It may be at this juncture in what could only be called "fantasy evolution" that biological beings start increasing their lifespans due to non physical depreciation to the point where they may live a virtually indefinite life span. The Bigfoots being witnessed these days may be semi-physical natural denizens of planet Earth that are literally millions of years old.

I sure like that combo shape shifting alien deal that Burnt State is teaching though. That's cool!

 

[Burnt State]

It never ceases to amaze, the absolutely endless imaginative consideration posters supply on this forum. Million year old non-physical denizens of earth with human descendants - love it! You can't really get this density of ideas in books.

Excuse me for interrupting, Han, but I'm also curious about what you're thinking. Your footprint analysis is intriguing. Not a physical presence, but having a physical impact on the environment? It's supposedly super stinky but not traceable by dogs and leaves zero DNA.

It is seen, but only the after effects of its presence remains. Sounds absolutely like a post-biological, ultraterrestrial to me.

 

[nameless]

I try to avoid the more "gruesome" aspects of the "paranormal" but in relation to this point: My understanding is that in the past (pre police and or forensics) "bogey" men were often blamed for "crimes" (kidnapping etc) by the actual perpetrators of the offence.......

I go along with this. Han have you checked out the Paulides material his Bigfoot stuff and the Missing 411 stuff?

 

[nameless]

It never ceases to amaze, the absolutely endless imaginative consideration posters supply on this forum. Million year old non-physical denizens of earth with human descendants - love it! You can't really get this density of ideas in books....

Thats pretty much why i rate the paracast forums. This place should be a nursery for the propagation of ideas and imaginative forays into factual rational discussion and for the whole it is. However the moment we start closing off avenues and saying "no- this is what it is" is when we become stagnant and/or as shite as Project Camelot or the no-where-come-up-with diddlysquat waste of the past 60 years that is mainstream Ufology.

My main hate is the way this stuff happens, the supplanting of words the subtle unconscious manipulation of ideas and the conformity of herd mentality towards somebody else's agenda.
sorry for the digress.

 

[nameless]

As much as I go along with Han as to the para-cryptid entity thing, we can now with modern tech take photos of stuff that we can't see such as infra red, X-rays, electrical coronal discharge and if you believe it maybe thought forms á la Ted Serios.

Do groups of people witness Bigfoot or is it always a person on their own? If its groups then we could postulate that something outside of the observer is effecting their senses. It may be interpreted differently by differing people and create variations in sensory form but ultimately there is something at the kernel. In philosophy this is sometimes called the accidents that being , "a circumstance or attribute to something which is not essential to the nature of that thing."

This is something called Aristolean substance theory which is just a theory (i don't personally prescribe to).
"The nine kinds of accidents according to Aristotle are quantity, quality, relation, habitus, time, location, situation (or position), action, and passion ("being acted on"). Together with "substance", these nine kinds of accidents constitute the ten fundamental categories of Aristotle's ontology"
Its a very religious viewpoint because it believes in a spirit form which makes up the substance inherent in the material. What if the inherent spirit is shared consciousness, that is only made individually distinct by its material creation?Perhaps the entity is intrusive and it's form is just a concious idea or thought and so we kick it out of our brains and give it a form.

Perhaps as in ufos too, the energy entity wears clothes that we participate in putting on it, the substance is there and is the same for everyone but the accidents differ. This could be biased by expectation or media manipulation and or cultural prejudice. If you encounter the big foot entity in the desert your brain wants to create the bi-pedal creature closest in form to it so its a wolf man, in the mountains its a bear like creature or ape man. So I think maybe you could take a photo of it, it just won't look like the thing your mind created, unless we play a part in the material creative process of the encountered entity.

It could be the entity is an incorpereal form which only exists as symbols, like the words on this page. We let our imagination give the words meaning and create the picture, the words become than just ink dots or random pixels..


Alternatively the entity mirrors or in some bicameral manifestation, communicates as to how we perceive it.
eg.
You encounter an alien. It shocks you instantaneously, your Amygdalae (the Amygdalae are the almond shaped bits of the brain behind the eyes) processes information beyond everything else, you can't speak or hear your not concerned by what is there but how its processed you concrete this image as a form in front of you, you are looking at form which represents how you feel through personal filters, it has big black almond eyes a little or no mouth no ears everything else didn't process or was not immediately important so it has no other features, it looks like a Grey.

 

[Burnt State]

Perhaps as in ufos too, the energy entity wears clothes that we participate in putting on it, the substance is there and is the same for everyone but the accidents differ. This could be biased by expectation or media manipulation and or cultural prejudice. If you encounter the big foot entity in the desert your brain wants to create the bi-pedal creature closest in form to it so its a wolf man, in the mountains its a bear like creature or ape man. So I think maybe you could take a photo of it, it just won't look like the thing your mind created, unless we play a part in the material creative process of the encountered entity.

It could be the entity is an incorpereal form which only exists as symbols, like the words on this page. We let our imagination give the words meaning and create the picture.
...
Alternatively the entity mirrors or in some bicameral manifestation, communicates as to how we perceive it.

Thank you, nameless, for putting so eloquently into words what has been bubbling in my head for the last few months, including the discussion on accidents, as I think this is exactly what is going on - we dress the stimulus and make the memory together. Certainly, this is very worthy of its own thread discussion (where i wanted to take it, but each time a new thought form yields in my mind i discover someone else on the forum already naming it faster than my wee brain could finish forming it) as all paranormal stimulus fall neatly into this model which helps to provide an answer for the various, odd aspects of witness reports.