An earlier interview with Jacobs that is well worth listening to can be heard on the Strange Days... Indeed podcast, episode 446, at:
http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/sdi/podcasts/. Scroll down. The interview with Jacobs starts at about 40 minutes into the show.
An excerpt:
"When I say know, when I talk about knowledge, you have to remember my standard disclaimer that I just have to make every time I speak about this subject. We are dealing with "evidence" that is derived from human memory with all it's problems, and speaking as a person who is almost sixty-five I understand the problems of memory personally [laughs]. That memory is derived from hypnosis, with all
it's problems, usually administered by amateurs, who don't know what they're doing - like me, for instance. So consequently, we are dealing with a level of knowledge that is low indeed in terms of its verifiability, in terms of its credibility, in terms of everything, and we all have to keep that in mind."
That comes around the 44 minute mark. It is at this point that any rational person, interested in real research, would say, "well, I guess we shouldn't be using hypnosis at all then, should we - particularly amateur hypnosis."
Not Jacobs. He makes this perfectly sensible statement... and then completely ignores it.
"Now, having said that of course, it is also important to say that we have a tremendous amount of it, and that it is evidence, regardless of how low on the totem pole it is, and that it adds up to a concrete, precisely detailed stream of information that conforms to the idea of reality rather than fantasy. In other words, if this were fantasy, if this were something that were being made up for whatever reason, it does not matter what the reason is, if it is therefore psychological, and we would be getting, without question, a wide variety of accounts, oftentimes based on a person's culture and life and upbringing and all that, and they would all have a certain sort of psychological story that they want to tell us, and we'd be all over the place, and I would have dropped out of this subject many, many years ago, and I would have gone on to have a normal life, but it never did that, and when we see stories, abduction accounts, that are all over the place, invariably there's a problem with some memory retrieval process - in other words, the person who is doing the hypnosis doesn't know what he is doing, or doing it with some sort of tranformational or New Age agenda or something like that. Or, and here is what is even more common these days, a person simply remembers things consciously."
It gets more ridiculous from there, as he in essence asserts that hypnotically induced "memories" are actually more valid than conscious memory, and that amateur hypnotists like Jacobs, who are familiar with the abduction narrative, are more qualified to deal with alleged abductees than trained hypnotists. The mind boggles!
Here is why the hypnotically induced memories all seem to conform to a general narrative that seems the same - it is the "researcher" who is planting that narrative in the minds of the subjects.
Why this man and his "colleagues" in the alien abduction research cult were ever taken seriously by UFO researchers is simply beyond me.
Paul