FBI Vault Link

[Bob Zanotti]

I came across the FBI Vault via BBC News. It was about another issue, but I found interesting entries regarding UFO's including Roswell and MJ12. These are official FBI reports and documents that were released under the Freedom of Information Act. Interesting reading.

Federal Bureau of Investigation

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Thanks Bob.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

I came across the FBI Vault via BBC News. It was about another issue, but I found interesting entries regarding UFO's including Roswell and MJ12. These are official FBI reports and documents that were released under the Freedom of Information Act. Interesting reading.

Federal Bureau of Investigation

Good reading. Thanks Bob.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I came across the FBI Vault via BBC News. It was about another issue, but I found interesting entries regarding UFO's including Roswell and MJ12. These are official FBI reports and documents that were released under the Freedom of Information Act. Interesting reading.

Federal Bureau of Investigation

Thanks for sharing. Can you remember which of the parts contained the MJ12 info?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

I haven't gone through all of them, but I'd be surprised if there was anything about an MJ-12.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I haven't gone through all of them, but I'd be surprised if there was anything about an MJ-12.

Bob mentions MJ12 in his original post....

Or have I misunderstood?

For the record, I think the MJ12 documents are phoney, and I believe this was the official conclusion of the FBI when they investigated the original documents leaked to Jamie Shandera, but what interests me is any information on how the bureau established they fake. It may help us determine who created them and why

 

[Gene Steinberg]

As I said, haven't gone through all of them. Bob can you give a clue where? It wasn't in the tiny Roswell document.

 

[Bob Zanotti]

As I said, haven't gone through all of them. Bob can you give a clue where? It wasn't in the tiny Roswell document.

Yes, that was the FBI’s conclusion. You can find reference to MJ 12 by scrolling down or going to the next page. There’s also a search function.

 

[Bob Zanotti]

I checked. The MJ-12 reference is under "Unexplained Phenomena". Here it is, copied from there:

2.06.10

Majestic 12​

Majestic 12 In 1988, two FBI offices received similar versions of a memo titled “Operation Majestic-12…” claiming to be highly classified government document. The memo appeared to be a briefing for newly-elected President Eisenhower on a secret committee created to exploit a recovery of an extra-terrestrial aircraft and cover-up this work from public examination. An Air Force investigation determined the document to be a fake.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Thanks for looking it up, Bob.

In any case, this is one of those rare occasions where I agree with the Air Force.

 

[Bob Zanotti]

I spotted the errors in the MJ-12 documents years ago and told Jim Mosely about them. My comments were published in Saucer Smear. The main give-away was the mistakes in the date format. They were inconsistent and not in keeping with the official format used at the time.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Right you are. I can't see why people like Friedman weren't aware of those deficiencies.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I checked. The MJ-12 reference is under "Unexplained Phenomena". Here it is, copied from there:

2.06.10

Majestic 12​

Majestic 12 In 1988, two FBI offices received similar versions of a memo titled “Operation Majestic-12…” claiming to be highly classified government document. The memo appeared to be a briefing for newly-elected President Eisenhower on a secret committee created to exploit a recovery of an extra-terrestrial aircraft and cover-up this work from public examination. An Air Force investigation determined the document to be a fake.

Thanks for finding it, Bob.

Makes interesting reading.

 

[Bob Zanotti]

Regarding Roswell specifically, has anyone actually looked at the FBI report? It clearly speaks of a "hexagonal disc suspended from a balloon". This would explain a lot.

Roswell UFO Part 1 of 1

vault.fbi.gov

 

[Trajanus]

Majestic 12 In 1988, two FBI offices received similar versions of a memo titled “Operation Majestic-12…” claiming to be highly classified government document. The memo appeared to be a briefing for newly-elected President Eisenhower

Shandera said he received it in December 1984.

An Air Force investigation determined the document to be a fake.

Disinfo put out by AFOSI. One work, The Alien Grand Design, has an interesting take on the purpose of the EBD, and similar, deliberately leaked fakes.

 

[Bob Zanotti]

As always, it boils down to what one wants to believe. If someone has made up their mind on what is "truth", there is no changing it. As someone once wisely said: Tell me anything, but don't confuse me with the facts.

 

[Trajanus]

As always, it boils down to what one wants to believe.

Na, I've long been fascinated by the idea of alien visitors hence "want to believe" but realize many reports are fabrications.

If someone has made up their mind on what is "truth", there is no changing it.

Depends on how much integrity he has. For a long time I disliked the impact theory of dinosaur extinction but ultimately realized I had to accept it. The evidence for it was quite strong.

As someone once wisely said: Tell me anything, but don't confuse me with the facts.

Wisely???

 

[Bob Zanotti]

I’m thinking more of conspiracy theorists, and debunkers. By the way, I’m still wondering why no one has commented on the Roswell disc suspended from a balloon.

 

[Trajanus]

I’m thinking more of conspiracy theorists, and debunkers. By the way, I’m still wondering why no one has commented on the Roswell disc suspended from a balloon.

Have you seen KDR's books, like Understanding Roswell ? For many years he has exhaustively investigated all the prosaic "explanations" and nothing works. The skeptics focused on MOGUL not that "disc suspended from a balloon." But even MOGUL has been disposed of.

 

[Bob Zanotti]

I only called attention to an FBI document. What one wishes to make of it is a matter of personal perspective and belief. In this age of conspiracy theories, I doubt there will ever be conclusive proof of exactly what happened - at least no proof to convince everyone. In such matters, I prefer prosaic explanations first. Beside that, the UFO field has (unfortunately) become another "industry". The more confusion, speculation and mystery the better, from that cynical point of view. :-(