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Consciousness and the Paranormal — Part 11


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The project I referred to above is called the Global Consciousness Project at Princeton. It's website is immense and takes a great deal of time to download, but the information at this link is a serviceable introduction to this research:

Physical Effects of Group Consciousness Measured in Massive 17-Year Experiment

Extract:

"How Does Consciousness Affect Machines?

The connection between an REG machine and human consciousness is unclear. It’s part of what GCP hopes to further investigate, but Nelson maintained: “The correlation is clearly related in some way to consciousness and possibly to what we have operationally defined as ‘global consciousness.'”

He can only speculate, but he imagines consciousness could be a field that becomes more coherent during these global events. Consciousness may be the “seat of a nonlocal, active information field,” he said, noting that this is not a standard, well-defined physical construct.



Related Coverage
A Place for Consciousness Studies in Academia? Professor Helps Pave the Way


“Such a field can somehow be absorbed by the REG devices,” he said, “which then show patterns where none should exist.”
 
The online article above ^ concerning Dr. Alan Combs and The Center for Consciousness Studies at the California Institute of Integral Studies represents some current progress in moving 'academia' away from its customary reliance on consensually developed but unproven paradigms that are assumed to be 'true' and that consequently close off other additional avenues for research.
 
... Not surprisingly, my answer to that question points to the phenomenology of perception which reveals that experiences of color rely at one and the same time on a) what is seen {variously} by beings equipped with capacities for vision -- for see-ing that which they encounter in the world -- and b) what can be said to exist in the world.
It is possible to subjectively experience the color of a thing without that thing existing objectively, e.g. we can lucid dream about things that exist only in our imagination.
The phenomenological insight is that, on the basis of what living beings sense in their actual environments, these environments are indeed 'real' but cannot be sensed or understood in simplified, reductive, objective terms.
I guess that depends on what is meant by, "understood in simplified, reductive, objective terms". One could say that our senses impart a simplified understanding in reductive terms, e.g. water is wet , stone is hard, fire is hot. We're back to Plato's cave in that regard.
Nothing can be seen or understood in the world we exist in without the subjective capabilities that we and other living species bring to our lived experiences in the world through the affordances of our senses.
I guess that depends on context. For example we understand many things we can't see, touch, taste, or smell because we've invented detectors with capabilities beyond ours. It also depends on what senses we are left with. e.g. The guy who invented cruise control was blind. Also, when in a dream state our waking senses are essentially disconnected, yet we can experience a world that seems as real as the waking one.

Most importantly are the consequences of these facets with respect to consciousness and the paranormal. Although nothing should be able to enter into people's memory without first having some sort of perceptual input, there's been some claims that memories have been obtained via some unknown means independent of sensory input in the host, e.g. reincarnation and genetic memory. These exceptions are fascinating, but a bit much to get into here in this one post. Suffice it to say that they both still reduce down to perceptual experience at some point in the past.
 
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The project I referred to above is called the Global Consciousness Project at Princeton. It's website is immense and takes a great deal of time to download, but the information at this link is a serviceable introduction to this research: Physical Effects of Group Consciousness Measured in Massive 17-Year Experiment

Extract: "How Does Consciousness Affect Machines?

The connection between an REG machine and human consciousness is unclear. It’s part of what GCP hopes to further investigate, but Nelson maintained: “The correlation is clearly related in some way to consciousness and possibly to what we have operationally defined as ‘global consciousness.'”
Not to overlook this part: " This latter method could have led to biased selections—the possibility that the researchers could find some global event on any given day to correspond to the spike on the REGs."
Related Coverage A Place for Consciousness Studies in Academia? Professor Helps Pave the Way “Such a field can somehow be absorbed by the REG devices,” he said, “which then show patterns where none should exist.”
Interesting, but I don't see that quote ( above ) in the article. I looked for it and ran a search three times. Here's a related link: Society for Consciousness Studies Conference Website | Website for the Society for Consciousness Studies annual conference and other periodic events. ( NOTE: It was held in 2015 but maybe some names will pop out that might be interesting to do a bit of follow-up on. )
 
The online article above ^ concerning Dr. Alan Combs and The Center for Consciousness Studies at the California Institute of Integral Studies represents some current progress in moving 'academia' away from its customary reliance on consensually developed but unproven paradigms that are assumed to be 'true' and that consequently close off other additional avenues for research.

Dr. Allan Leslie Combs Lecture at Consciousness Conference 2017 - Yale
Also a speaker at the 2015 Consciousness Conference mentioned above.



Nothing groundbreaking but some good questions from the class.
Does the poet and the reader experience intersubjectivity?
 
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I have to run now but there are a few more minor details to share. Very interesting though!
The other things I wanted to share:

Although neither incident directly effected me, they definitely left an impression on me and I talked about them quite a bit with several friends and family members (and on here of course).

Also, this past weekend, I was out of town and had family members all over the place. I wasn't stressed about any of it, but it definitely was a change in routine.
 
David Morris on a late paper by Merleau-Ponty entitled "Institution and Passivity"

Apologies for posting the following too-lengthy extract before paring it down to manageable length; I simply don't have time to do that now, but will come back and do so later.

extract:

"Reversibility is a central concept of Merleau-Ponty’s later philosophy, especially “Eye and Mind” and The Visible and the Invisible.2 Yet, as Merleau-Ponty himself admits, this concept is enigmatic.3 The enigma is only amplified by MerleauPonty’s near poetic writing; by the fact that reversibility takes Merleau-Ponty into a radically new philosophy, yet his thoughts about it are never fully clarified, because cut short by his early death; and by an unfortunate, consequent temptation to discuss reversibility by way of repeating the examples and language that Merleau-Ponty has left us. This paper contributes to the project of clarifying reversibility4 by showing how elements of his earlier philosophy speak to reversibility and the problem underlying it. This is the problem — continuous across Merleau-Ponty’s philosophy—of the genesis of sense, of how meaning comes into the world, not by being drawn from some already given origin (a ready-made world, whether empirical or transcendental), but through a sort of creative operation within being, an operation of being that generates new sense.5 The first section traces and conceptualizes reversibility in terms of the later philosophy, in order to introduce the enigma of reversibility and some key points behind it. The second section seeks to clarify reversibility by showing how it is linked with and can be understood in terms of a theme that runs from the earlier to the later philosophy and back, namely an interrelation in which activity and passivity reverse to one another.6 The third section deepens this by studying a passage on touch in the Phenomenology’s7 chapter on “Sensing.”8 The passage indicates that what is passively given a posteriori is in fact actively operative in creating the a priori of perception; in turn, this a priori actively shapes the activity through which we are passive to and thence perceive things.
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Altogether this gives insights for conceptualizing perception and sense not as products of the perceiver merely but of an operation beyond the perceiver wherein the field of perception internally diverges into active and passive moments. Reversibility is a sign of this divergence and is thus a sign of a sort of gap or excess in being that allows for a genesis of sense, a creative operation, within being itself. This last issue becomes apparent through overlaps between the Phenomenology’s passage on touch, discussions of radical reflection in the Phenomenology, and the method of interrogation in The Visible and the Invisible.
1) The Enigma of Reversibility and the Internal Incongruence of Being “Eye and Mind” and The Visible and the Invisible repeatedly emphasize a fact demonstrated by perception, namely that to see something is to inherently also be a being who can be seen. The seer is inherently seen, in something like the way that a front inherently has a back. The seen is in this sense the reverse, an inherent flip side of the seer. Similarly with the toucher and the touched, and the perceiver and the perceived generally. This relation is what Merleau-Ponty first of all indicates with his concept of reversibility. In terms of traditional analyses of perception, this initial point might be converted into one about the condition of perception: perception is conditioned by the perceiver’s being part of and open to the perceived world. This is already a central theme of the Phenomenology, which repeatedly argues that we do not gaze on the world from on high as a transcendental subject or cogito, rather we are being in the world (être au monde), such that the sense we find in the world is not a product wholly
constituted by us but is already oriented to and by the world. The concept of reversibility, though, goes far beyond mere claims about the perceiving subject and conditions local to it or to its ontology, or even local to the subject’s embeddedness in the world. Reversibility takes the perceptual fact just discussed as echoing and licensing a deeper claim about the ontology of being in general, in which (for example) “the world is made of the same stuff as the body” (OE 19/163), things and I are made of the same ““element”” (VI 184/139) and “[t]hings have an internal equivalent in me” (OE 22/164). That is, we might think that the sole emphasis of reversibility is on our being seen as a condition of seeing. And we might think that this condition is wholly fulfilled (as it might seem to be in the Phenomenology9) by our being in the world as a body that can be seen, specifically a unique kind of lived body that is unlike other things around us. Reversibility, though, goes further than this by insisting that we see things only because they are in fact made of the same stuff as the body and we are made of the same stuff as them. Ontologically, we are not made of a unique subjective or even bodily stuff absolutely different from things around us. More than that, things around us are not made of a special stuff absolutely different from us and devoid of meaning. For things ring perception in us only by already being nonneutral, by having a tendency, orientation, or sense that already has its “internal equivalent” in us. This sense informs our relation to things and it is what becomes express in perception.10

While it may be easy to grasp the first point that the flip side of the seer is a thing seen (since the seer obviously is a visible body of some sort), the enigmatic point just broached is that the thing seen has, as its reverse flip side, as its lining (“doublure”11), 2 something like a seer, something that (latently at least) makes sense of the world. This is explicit in Merleau-Ponty’s strange claims, in “Eye and Mind,” that things look at us, to which claims we return below. The seer and the seen are thus the ontological reverse of one another, they are different shapes or inflections of one and the same being. “Reversibility” designates this phenomenal and ontological complicity of the seer and the seen and the perceiver and perceived in general, and designates this complicity as a function of being (not merely the perceiver): it is being that is reversibly perceiver and perceived.

In other words, reversibility famously shifts the emphasis of Merleau-Ponty’s life-long study of perception from the sphere of the perceiver, to being as a whole, for it is the perceiver and perceived, as the reverse of one another within being, that accomplishes perception. Hence a double enigma of reversibility: First, how, contra our experience that it is the subject who accomplishes perception (an experience crystallized in Descartes’s cogito), can we conceptualize perception as an operation of being as a whole, including things outside us? Second, how exactly does this operation work, what is its ontological underpinning? To begin, we must note something important about the ontological structure of reversibility. The seer and the seen are not the reverse of one another like two opposite sides of a coin. In the coin, each side, heads or tails, is identified by information it carries on its own, on its own side of the coin (even if each side always comes fused with an opposite flip side, even if the information on each side shares a common material substratum). In the coin, then, the operation that would reveal heads and tails as one another’s flip side would be a rotation (a coin-flip) in a higher order space external to their identities; or reversing heads into tails would be a matter of striking new information on each side of the coin independently. This would not involve internal operations of the sides, or of their interrelation, it would work on the coin from the outside. This is not the case, though, with the reversibility of the seer-seen or the touchertouched. “Eye and Mind” and The Visible and the Invisible emphasize how the hand, in the very activity of touching, inherently opens itself to being passively touched by things, such that the touching hand can reverse to a passive thing touched and the thing can reverse to something active. In the famous case where the thing touched by my hand is my other hand, the reversal in question is one in which my touching hand itself reverses to a thing touched. (See, e.g., OE 16-21/162-3, VI 183-196/139-149) Contra the coin, where the reversal from heads to tails is by way of an external operation, the very being of touch internally opens a sort of internal convulsion that reverses from toucher to touched. The perceiver and perceived are not like reverse sides of a coin, they are closer in kin to right- and left- hand figures or gloves (but not the sort of glove that can be fit on either hand). Kant calls such figures “incongruent counterparts”12; in geometry each such figure is called an enantiomorph. Like enantiomorphs, the perceiver and the perceived are incongruent because the one cannot be collapsed to or take the place of the other. (Merleau-Ponty emphasizes that the toucher and touched never fully coincide (VI 194-5/147-8), and we will see below that perception and the very concept of passivity entail that activity and passivity never become congruent.) They are counterpart so far as they are always found together and are made of the same stuff. Yet, in the case of gloves, a right-hand glove reverses to its left-hand “incongruent counterpart” when turned inside out. For example, when everted, the blue, right-hand dish glove, lined inside with white flocking, turns to a left-hand, white-flocked glove, lined with blue rubber. Reversibility implies a similar latitude or openness of being, wherein being, by an internal convulsive operation (like eversion) reverses from perceiver to perceived. The perceiver and perceived are made of the same stuff, so their divergence (écart) into incongruent counterparts is by way of this internal operation of being. That is, the perceiver and perceived are not merely ontologically complicit in one another, they are not two separate folds of being that merely happen to fold into one another (com-plicare). The perceiver and the perceived are inflections of one being whose internal fold or hollow13 gives it the latitude to be in divergent ways. It is absolutely crucial to Merleau-Ponty’s ontology that the perceiver and perceived are not two different appearances of one being, but two divergent ways in which being is.14 Being itself is reversibly perceiver and perceived—like a glove itself being reversibly right- or left- handed by way of being turned inside-out. The perceiver and the perceived are thus two inflections of being that at once line and follow one another: they are ever so close, yet in that very closeness they are irreducibly divergent in sense—but nonetheless reversible to another. (As in the glove, where the flocking that lines the right-hand glove, when reversed inside-out, has a left-hand sense incongruent with that of the right-hand glove.) It might seem that a geometrical model of enantiomorphs is too formal to illuminate anything like ontological divergences between things as different as the perceiver and the perceived. But we should note that in chemistry the chirality (handedness) of otherwise identical molecules can make the difference between drug and poison. While the right-hand version of Thalidomide
tempers morning sickness, its left-hand version causes mutations; disastrously, the human body can reverse the right-hand cure delivered in the pharmacist’s pill into the left-hand poison. (Derrida shows that meaningful difference in fact depends on a supplement that opens a shifting latitude of sense; pharmakon, as reversing between cure and poison, exemplifies this latitude.15) And in general “biochirality” is key to living phenomena.16 Chirality matters. Further, Merleau-Ponty himself links chiral enantiomorphs, reversibility and the internal divergence of being, most prominently in a passage from a working note that begins “Reversibility: the finger of the glove that is turned inside out” (VI 317/263).17 While it focuses on inside-out, not left-right, reversibility, the passage’s point seems to be that an external standpoint is not needed to grasp that the glove can reverse from left- to right- handed or inside to out; the glove internally indicates its possible reversal into divergent, incongruent, counterparts. (It does so in the way that a curved Riemannian space internally indicates its curvature. The space’s curvature need not be measured in a higher order space, it can be sensed by traversing a triangle within the space and adding up its internal angles.) The inflection point that indicates the divergence between the senses of inside and outside, or left- and right- handedness, is right there in the convolutions of the glove (even if the glove cannot be both left- and right- handed at once). There is a doubling of being, which Merleau-Ponty suggests when he writes of the curvature of the glove as a “double “representation”.”18 The implication seems to be that being’s divergence is similarly internal to being, in virtue of an internal reversibility that enables being to be in two internally counterpart yet incongruent ways. Being is not a fusion in one point of two
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separable, mutually external, opposites: being itself is reversibly one way or another. To capture the point another way, in The Visible and the Invisible Merleau-Ponty writes that he is seeking a new and heretofore unnamed element of being, which he calls flesh (VI 193/147). In biology and chemistry, chirality is generative of crucial, living differences. With reversibility we can think of Merleau-Ponty as conceiving chirallike inflections—a kind of internal incongruence of being—as elemental to being. What is elemental to ontological differences is thus not some primal substance or process, nor even a unity or dialectic of opposites, but a kind of chirality or handedness, in virtue of which being internally diverges into different senses— not by way of opposites that can be set over against one another as repelling or collapsing into one another, but by way of an operation that opens or plays in a peculiar gap between reversible terms. This reversible gap and incongruence between terms is central to all that follows.19
2) Perception and the Reversibility of Activity and Passivity We now have a sense of what is at stake in the concept of reversibility, but the enigma remains: How does reversibility work, and how is a reversible being beyond the perceiver operative in perception? This section reveals a nexus between perception, activity and passivity that runs like an underlying seam through Merleau-Ponty’s later philosophy and back to the Phenomenology, thus showing how the reversible relation between the perceiver and perceived has its ontological underpinning in activity and passivity as ontologically incongruent counterparts that reverse to one another. This prepares for the next section, which returns to the Phenomenology’s
analysis of touch for further insight into the enigma of reversibility. To work back to the nexus of activity,

passivity and perception from a late formulation, Merleau-Ponty’s summary of his 1954-55 lecture course on passivity begins with the following question: How are we to conceive that the subject never encounters obstacles? If the subject has posited them itself, then they are not obstacles. And if they truly resist the subject, then we are brought back to the difficulties of a philosophy which incorporates the subject in a cosmic order and treats the functioning of the mind as a particular case of natural finality. It is this problem that every theory of perception runs up against, consequently the explication of perceptual experience must make us acquainted with a genus of being with regard to which the subject is not sovereign, without yet the subject being inserted in it.20 This question and its structure, especially given the reference to the theory of perception, should immediately remind us of central issues that emerge in the Phenomenology’s dialectical engagement with intellectualism and empiricism (to which we will return). The question in the passivity lectures is how the subject can always make sense of things, find a sens, a meaningful way through the world, such that it need never encounter things as explicit obstacles to sense. Philosophical and scientific analysis may show us how perception grapples with outside things which thus (from the point of view of the analyst) operate as obstacles, but the perceiver never encounters them as such within perception. At most the perceiver encounters difficult or ambiguous perceptual objects that are hard to sort out, but never notices or encounters utter obstacles, or completely senseless things, as such. If we
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go the intellectualist route and explain this by saying that the subject is wholly active and constitutes everything, the entire issue of obstacles, encountered or not, is moot, and we cannot even pose the question. On the other hand, an empiricism that renders the subject passive to inputs given wholly in advance of and apart from the subject undoes the sense making activity in virtue of which the subject appears as crucially different from the cosmic order. If we tried to repair this problem by anchoring the activity and difference of the subject in the subject, then we would relapse into intellectualism—or (to strike to a core issue) into an activism that posits the subject as wholly active and thus betrays our rootedness in the world. Yet this does not mean that we can lapse into a passivism in which the subject is wholly passive and thence inserted into the cosmic order. With this beginning, the passivity lectures emphasize how the Phenomenology’s route between intellectualism and empiricism demands an account of a ‘passivity without passivism’. As we shall soon see, the need for a ‘passivity without passivism’ is already apparent in the Phenomenology. Nonetheless, the passivity lectures give new focus, depth and centrality to an account of passivity and activity that would go between passivism and activism without lapsing into either. This is apparent throughout the passivity lectures but especially, for example, in passages where Merleau-Ponty criticizes Sartrean “activism” (IP 199) or “actualism” and writes of the “binary dialectic” (which splits terms into wholly polarized opposites) as “madness: madness of activism, madness of passivism” (IP 160), or writes that we need “a) a passivity, b) without passivism” (IP 157), that is, a passivity that would neither be utterly devoid of nor disconnected from activity.
The account of passivity and a way between activism and passivism is a strong underlying theme of the institution lectures as well. (Merleau-Ponty taught these two courses in parallel, with the institution lectures given on Thursday and the passivity lectures given on Monday.) In the very first page of the passivity lectures, MerleauPonty writes “No introduction: cf. other course” (IP 157). It is as if the problem of passivity is already implicit in the very concept of institution. And it is. Institution precisely names a process that generates sense without yet constituting it in a wholly active manner. Merleau-Ponty conceives institution as a temporally protracted development in which events are resumed, taken up, by the perceiver, in such a way as to “endow experience with durable dimensions” (IP 124). Examples include the maturation of the body, which, in resuming ‘pre-maturational’ instincts or habits, generates new senses of the body as, for example, sexually active in a new way after puberty. An example that powerfully exposes the theme of passivity in the institution lectures is birth. Merleau-Ponty writes that birth “is an act, and, like all acts arises from nothing”; that is, like all acts, birth does not constitute its own conditions of activity— activity is not devoid of passivity. He then writes that “Birth [is not an act] of constitution but the institution of a future. Reciprocally, institution resides in the same genus of Being as birth and is not, any more than birth, an act.” (IP 37)21 As in the initial passage from the passivity lectures, birth leads Merleau-Ponty to seek a new “genus of being,” beyond activism and passivism. But in the institution lectures we can understand his point about birth not merely in terms of being, but in light of an earlier remark about time, namely that “Time is the very model of institution: passivityactivity….[time] is total because it is partial,
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it is a field.” (IP 36) That is, birth is a process in which the act of birth and the one ‘doing’ this act always ‘arrive’ later in that very process. Birth as process is passive to a temporality not constituted in that act: birth is passive to a not-yet-already accomplished ‘pre-birth’ that must precede birth’s accomplishment; and it is also passive to the yet-to-be accomplished birth. And yet, birth, even in this passivity, is an act. Indeed its very character as act depends on its interrelation with a prior and posterior passivity—birth builds on a pre-birth and towards birth as accomplishment, even though those terms are not yet fully given. The act of birth is thus not devoid of passivity. Time is the very model of this interrelation of activity and passivity: of activity as not being devoid of passivity; of passivity not being devoid of activity; of passivity and activity as incongruent counterparts. This is because time happens, it acts, yet not as something already given. (Merleau-Ponty, like Heidegger, is always criticizing the concept of time as an already given dimension.) We must wait for time to ‘happen’. Time is what it is only by being partially what it is. The very act of time is to not yet be given, to not be a fixed dimension, to not yet be ready to act: time is always waiting to be born, we could say. And this ‘birth-character’ of time precisely depends on an incongruence between past and present, present and future, in which these incongruent moments are counterpart and reverse to one another in highly complex ways. With the above sketch of the ‘operation’ of passivity and its centrality to phenomena such as institution, perception, or birth, we can now tease out certain ontological characteristics of passivity, to expose its interrelation with activity as exemplary of—and in fact underpinning— reversibility. First let us note that if passivity
is in fact crucial to the ‘operation’ of institution, perception, or birth, then passivity must be taken seriously in its own terms. If we are to escape activism (and passivism), we cannot conceptualize passivity as a mere absence or deficit of activity. Passivity entails its own genus of being, in which we are non-sovereign, nonactivist, yet not reduced to inertness. For Merleau-Ponty sleep is a key example of the irreducibility of passivity to an absence of activity, a point that goes back to a passage in the Phenomenology: leep comes when a certain voluntary attitude suddenly receives from outside the confirmation for which it was waiting. I am breathing deeply and slowly in order to summon sleep, and suddenly it is as if my mouth were connected to some great lung outside myself which alternately calls forth and forces back my breath. (PhP 245/211, also see 191/163) We are active and voluntary in trying to go to sleep, but only to the extent of adopting a certain pose and acting to cease certain activities. This active cessation and adopting of a pose do not yet actively accomplish sleep. Rather they invite our being taken over by something, by a movement that is not yet our activity and that we cannot bring off ourselves. If we could actively and fully make ourselves go to sleep, then it would not be sleep. So the passivity of sleep is not merely what is left when we remove a certain activity, it is something else. And there is a peculiar gap, then, between waking and sleeping: they are part of one life or way of being, such that the one reverses to the other as its inherent counterpart—yet these counterparts remain incongruent. The transition between sleep and waking, waking and sleep, is abrupt and discontinuous, as between the left-hand glove and its eversion into a right-hand glove, or between past and present.
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Notice the ontological structure of the relationship between activity and passivity. Activity is not devoid of passivity, in the sense that an act such as birth or waking draws on and resumes a passivity that that act could not itself generate. Similarly, passivity is not devoid of activity, since falling asleep or dying draw on activities (waking and birthing) that are not generated in these forms of passivity themselves. Passivity and activity are internally related, they are counterparts. This crucially challenges the traditional dualism of activity and passivity, the view that activity and passivity are disjoint, yet in such a way that we could make one or the other term primary, as in intellectualism’s reduction of all perception to a constituting activity, or empiricism’s reduction of everything to a receptive passivity. Yet, in showing us that activity and passivity are inseparable, that you cannot give either an activist or passivist account of perception, MerleauPonty is also precisely showing us that activity and passivity are not inseparable in the way of different points along one continuous scale. Passivity is not merely a void or absence of activity; activity is not merely a void or absence of passivity. You do not fall asleep by easing your wakefulness down to the zero point of a scale—a leap to something different is involved. You do not wake up by ratcheting your sleepiness down to zero—here too there is a leap to the different. But this differential leap is not between domains that have nothing to do with one another, it is between counterparts that remain incongruent. Let us now see how this ontological incongruence, this gap, is at play in perception. Crucially, in the above passage in the Phenomenology Merleau-Ponty deploys the gap between waking and sleeping precisely to illustrate the relation between the senser and the sensed. He thus
anticipates the point in the passivity lectures that perception entails passivity, that is, an exposure to an operation beyond us that visits something in us in the way that sleep visits us in the night. (The language of respiration in this passage also echoes a passage in OE, cited below, that conceptualizes the reversibility of seer and seen, activity and passivity, in terms of a “respiration in Being” that inspires something in us.22) This link between passivity-activity and perception—and thence reversibility— becomes apparent in “Eye and Mind,” once we notice that passivity is a central theme in it too. “Eye and Mind” begins with the remark that “Science manipulates things and gives up living in them. It makes its own limited models of things…it comes face to face with the real world only at rare intervals. Science is and always has been […] admirably active….” (OE 9/159) That is, scientific activism eschews any kind of passivity (methodological or experiential) to the world and to this extent it ends up betraying the phenomena, talking about the scientist’s activist construction of things, rather than things themselves. The scientist claims to already know how to know or think; the scientist, we could say, does not have to endure being born into the world, but already constitutes herself as the agent of the scientific task. (In “Eye and Mind” the scientist is never far from the Cartesian cogito.23) In contrast, the painter must wait to be born as the one who can see the specific things (this mountain, this snow) she wants to paint. To do this, the painter must ““take his body with him”” (OE 16/162, citing Valery), be passive as a body in its engagement with things, yet be active with his body. Simply put, the painter learns how to be a seer, by installing herself as the reverse of, and as guided by, the seen and its sens: the painter “draws upon” a “fabric of wild meaning [sens brut]”—a sense outside
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Before I lose track of it I want to post this extract from MP's The Visible and the Invisible, which is relevant to our current discussion of 'color' and perception and also to our struggles with the efficacy and reliability of humanly constructed languages.

“The color is yet another variant in another dimension of variation, that of its relations with the surroundings: this red is what it is only by connecting up from its place with other reds about it, with which it forms a constellation, or with other colors it dominates or that dominate it, that it attracts or that attracts it, that it repels or that repel it. In short, it is a certain node in the woof of the simultaneous and the successive. It is a concretion of visibility, it is not an atom. The red dress a fortiori holds with all its fibers onto the fabric of
the visible, and thereby onto a fabric of invisible being. A punctuation in the field of red things, which includes the tiles of roof tops, the flags of gatekeepers and of the Revolution, certain terrains near Aix or in Madagascar, it is also a punctuation in the field of red garments, which includes, along with the dresses of women, robes of professors, bishops, and advocate generals, and also in the field of adornments and that of uniforms. And its red literally is not the same as it appears in one constellation or in the other, as the pure essence of the Revolution of 1917 precipitates in it, or that of the eternal feminine, or that of the public prosecutor, or that of the gypsies dressed like hussars who reigned twenty-five years ago over an inn on the Champs-Elysées. A certain red is also a fossil drawn up from the depths of imaginary worlds.

If we took all these participations into account, we would recognize that a naked color, and in general a visible, is not a chunk of absolutely hard, indivisible being, offered all naked to a vision which could be only total or null, but is rather a sort of straits between exterior horizons and interior horizons ever gaping open, something that comes to touch lightly and makes diverse regions of the colored or visible world resound at the distances, a certain differentiation, an ephemeral modulation of this world—less a color or a thing, therefore, than a difference between things and colors, a momentary crystallization of colored being or of visibility. Between the alleged colors and visibles, we would find anew the tissue that lines them, sustains them, nourishes them, and which for its part is not a thing, but a possibility, a latency, and a flesh of things.”
 
Here's a related link: Society for Consciousness Studies Conference Website | Website for the Society for Consciousness Studies annual conference and other periodic events. ( NOTE: It was held in 2015 but maybe some names will pop out that might be interesting to do a bit of follow-up on. )
Dr. Allan Leslie Combs Lecture at Consciousness Conference 2017 - Yale
Also a speaker at the 2015 Consciousness Conference mentioned above.



Nothing groundbreaking but some good questions from the class.
Does the poet and the reader experience intersubjectivity?

Much appreciated. If you've located links to other videotaped presentations by Combs I hope you will post them. I too will look for some, hoping to find clearer audio, and will also locate papers by Combs that might help us here.
 
@USI Calgary, also appreciate your linking the abstracts from the 2015 Yale Consciousness Conference. Here is one of the abstracts I want to foreground here for the moment:

"SHIFTING TOWARDS A PARTICIPATORY PARADIGM
Mel Schwartz

The drag on our transition toward the emerging participatory worldview from the classical Newtonian construct may be informed by the relationship between our thinking and our words. Our thinking remains rooted in objective or literal thinking because our language — in particular the to be verbs –anchor us to the classical paradigm. To facilitate our transition into the emerging worldview we must release the static nature of the to be verbs, which in turn ushers in participatory thinking. The benefits of this cognitive/communication shift are profound as they facilitate dialogue, enhance relationships and have innumerable benefits to our psychological/ emotional wellbeing. Participatory thought requires language –EPrime –absent the to be verbs. This paper/talk will further Bohm’s distinction between literal and participatory thought via the introduction of E-Prime language as a facilitation."

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Society for Consciousness Studies Conference Website | Website for the Society for Consciousness Studies annual conference and other periodic events.
 
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It is possible to subjectively experience the color of a thing without that thing existing objectively, e.g. we can lucid dream about things that exist only in our imagination.

Are there 'things', 'colors', experiences that are produced solely in 'imagination'? Can we support a notion of the 'imagined' -- whether in art, dreams, social theory, utopian literature, and multitudes of other human expressions and creations in our species' history -- as ideations taking place in consciousness and mind having no basis in the experienced world? MP wrote that "the imagination is present in the first human perception." Sartre wrote a very dense but ultimately illuminating book on 'The Imaginary'. Here is an abstract from philpapers.org that refers to this work:

"‘No matter how long I may look at an image, I shall never find anything in it but what I put there. It is in this fact that we find the distinction between an image and a perception.' - Jean-Paul Sartre L’Imagination was published in 1936 when Jean-Paul Sartre was thirty years old. Long out of print, this is the first English translation in many years. The Imagination is Sartre’s first full philosophical work, presenting some of the basic arguments concerning phenomenology, consciousness and intentionality that were to later appear in his master works and be so influential in the course of twentieth-century philosophy. Sartre begins by criticising philosophical theories of the imagination, particularly those of Descartes, Leibniz and Hume, before establishing his central thesis. Imagination does not involve the perception of ‘mental images’ in any literal sense, Sartre argues, yet reveals some of the fundamental capacities of consciousness. He then reviews psychological theories of the imagination, including a fascinating discussion of the work of Henri Bergson. Sartre argues that the ‘classical conception’ is fundamentally flawed because it begins by conceiving of the imagination as being like perception and then seeks, in vain, to re-establish the difference between the two. Sartre concludes with an important chapter on Husserl’s theory of the imagination which, despite sharing the flaws of earlier approaches, signals a new phenomenological way forward in understanding the imagination. The Imagination is essential reading for anyone interested in the philosophy of Jean-Paul Sartre, phenomenology, and the history of twentieth-century philosophy. This new translation includes a helpful historical and philosophical introduction by Kenneth Williford and David Rudrauf. Also included is Maurice Merleau-Ponty’s important review of L’Imagination upon its publication in French in 1936. Translated by Kenneth Williford and David Rudrauf." Jean-Paul Sartre, The Imagination - PhilPapers

The linked papers that follow this abstract suggest the range of work done in philosophy concerning the nature of imagination, and reading some of these might help us develop a subtler understanding of the imagination as a distinguishing characterization of the nature of human consciousness.



I guess that depends on what is meant by, "understood in simplified, reductive, objective terms". One could say that our senses impart a simplified understanding in reductive objective terms, e.g. water is wet , stone is hard, fire is hot. We're back to Plato's cave in that regard.

Phenomenological philosophy takes us far beyond Plato's cave. Yes, "water is wet," but what else is it? What else do experiences of water release into human consciousness and mind, and how do our imaginative capabilities work with and extend those experiences?

Most importantly are the consequences of these facets with respect to consciousness and the paranormal. Although nothing should be able to enter into people's memory without first having some sort of perceptual input, there's been some claims that memories have been obtained via some unknown means independent of sensory input in the host, e.g. reincarnation and genetic memory. These exceptions are fascinating, but a bit much to get into here in this one post. Suffice it to say that they both still reduce down to perceptual experience at some point in the past.

Not sure what you mean by "reduce down to." If you mean that multivalent, multisensory, perceptual experience in the world precedes its being remembered or worked upon, elaborated, in imagination, no argument.
 
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Are there 'things', 'colors', experiences that are produced solely in 'imagination'? Can we support a notion of the 'imagined'.
All I'm saying is that it's possible to subjectively experience the color of a thing without that thing existing objectively, e.g. we can lucid dream about things that exist only in our imagination. How supportable that claim is depends on the evidence one requires. Obviously there's no way to get inside someone's head to relay their personal experience. There are also some people who are incapable of visualizing ( Aphantasia ) who may never be convinced. If however, you have ever dreamed or visualized something that isn't extant in the objective world, you know exactly what I mean. BTW I'm not referring to types of things, e.g. a car a house, a flower etc. but to specific things that might be like other things, but that don't objectively exist.
The linked papers that follow this abstract suggest the range of work done in philosophy concerning the nature of imagination, and reading some of these might help us develop a subtler understanding of the imagination as a distinguishing characterization of the nature of human consciousness.
Thanks for those.
Phenomenological philosophy takes us far beyond Plato's cave. Yes, "water is wet," but what else is it? What else do experiences of water release into human consciousness and mind, and how do our imaginative capabilities work with and extend those experiences?
Of course. I mentioned it only to make the point that our sensory experience is a "simplified reductive" representation of the world, while at the same time being the way that we "understand our environment". From there we can use both reductive and non-reductive approaches to refine our understanding even further.
Not sure what you mean by "reduce down to." If you mean that multivalent, multisensory, perceptual experience in the world precedes its being remembered or worked upon, elaborated, in imagination, no argument.
What I was suggesting is that even if genetic memory or memories from past lives ( reincarnation ) are truthful, the initial experience leading to them stemmed from a perceptual experience in the past.

On an unrelated note: What believing in psychics says about you
 
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This post is a response to @USI Calgary's most recent response -- immediately above in the thread -- in our current dialogue. For some reason the Paracast Forums software won't set the link to it. {. . . Oh well, now the link shows up; I'll just leave it as it stands.}

All I'm saying is that it's possible to subjectively experience the color of a thing without that thing existing objectively, e.g. we can lucid dream about things that exist only in our imagination.

The question we need to address here remains, I think, the question of how we are to understand the inescapable duality expressed in what our species has recognized in the terms 'subjective reality' and 'objective reality'. As a preface to what I want to say in responding to your last post I am pasting whole a short but illuminating paper that I hope you, and anyone else interested, will read:

Kenneth Masong, "Metaphor, Poiesis and Hermeneutical Ontology: Paul Ricoeur and the Turn to Language"

"Reacting against the turn to transcendence that heavily characterized the medieval worldview, the modern worldview is fundamentally exemplified by a threefold turn to immanence, consisting of a subjective turn, a linguistic turn and an experiential turn. Language plays a pivotal role here since it mediates between the subjective and the experiential. Ricoeur’s treatment of metaphor, significantly laid out in his The Rule of Metaphor, is crucial in bringing about this linguistic turn that mediates the subject and its experience of the world. Through an analysis of “seeing as” as a poietic reconfiguration of reality in the subject’s experience, language transforms and founds the world as a “being as.” What is disclosed in this interpretative transformation of reality is not simply an hermeneutical ontology but possibly—also through language—an hermeneutical axiology.

The three turns of interiority

Persons are never transparent to each other. Every level of relation that one establishes with someone, or even something other than oneself, is equivalent to a corresponding point in the range of opacity and translucency, but none attains that stage of absolute clarity, awareness, or knowledge that has traditionally been attributed exclusively to the omniscience of a transcendent Deity. It is interesting to note that Charles Dickens peculiarly entitled the third chapter of his historical novel A Tale of Two Cities as “The Night Shadows” and introduced it thus: “A wonderful fact to reflect upon, that every human creature is constituted to be that profound secret and mystery to every other.” Other actual entities that constitute our contemporaneous universe, that form the elements with which we define and qualify our existence, are masses of weasel beings that escape us the moment our hand clasp them. Dickens continues to illustrate this mystery thus,

'A solemn consideration, when I enter a great city by night, that every one of those darkly clustered houses encloses its own secret; that every room in every one of them encloses its own secret; that every beating heart in the hundreds of thousands of breasts there, is, in some of its imaginings, a secret to the heart nearest it!'1

In Dickens’ depiction, the gradual revelation of mystery from the secrets of each house, to the secrets of each room, to the secret of each heart stopped short in the intimacy of two beating hearts. Would it not be a better truism to say that not only a heart is a secret to the one nearest it, but that it is a secret even unto itself?

The theme of inwardness, especially in the intellectual history of the west, is a long narrative of introspection, of reflection and recollection unto the recesses of oneself: from the Greek injunction “know thyself” to Augustine’s in interiore homine, to the Cartesian Cogito. They are all shifting positions, so to speak, of a man becoming restlessly still, in the uncomfortable question of self-identity. The turn to interiority dawned upon the West in general, and the Christian community in particular, with the advent of the Renaissance in Italy.2 This is composed of two forces that strongly reshaped the predominantly social and peripheral contours of the religious community starting from the 15th century onwards.3 The first was the secularism that characterized the creative and scholarly retrieval of the ancient classics of Greece and Rome. It is an interiority that falls under the shadow of an emerging loss of transcendence. More than a glorification of the symbolic cosmos, it was thoroughly secular in its orientation: a passionate attention to the material, the mundane, the human. The second was the intensified individualism that came as a result of the increased study of Roman law and the medieval influence of nominalism. The Renaissance was a change of cultural climate that ushered a transformation of conceptualities, self-identities and social allegiances. One may argue that this topography of inwardness that embraces something in the innermost feelings of one’s heart has taken three turns in recent developments in speculative thought: the turn to the subject, the turn to language, and the turn to experience. To ponder on the “three turns” of inwardness is to think of the subject’s intensifying self-knowledge of the constitution of his or her world. In inwardness, there is the recuperation of a primeval relation of the self with the external world, and this recuperation is achieved by a reexamination of the constitution of the inquirer itself, the Ego. Finding that the Ego does not sufficiently plot the constitution of reality for the subject, what was awakened was an interest in language as strategic to the question of the meaning of human nature. This awakening ushered in the linguistic turn. This turn however was not primarily a question of the self expressing itself but of acknowledging that language constitutes the self and structures the world in which the self is couched. Finding that language itself is problematic by being inherently constrained, the turn of reflexivity moved into the most primordial instance of self-constitution, the domain of experience.

It is not the goal here to explicate on all three turns to interiority that mark the contemporary history of thought. What is crucial in this presentation is to note how the linguistic turn mediated both the turn to the subject and the turn to experience. The goal of this paper is to show the relevance of Paul Ricoeur and the specific contribution he makes in explicating this mediation in the threefold turn to immanence.

The linguistic turn of Ricoeur

The linguistic turn can be understood as a turn to inwardness if one takes language not simply as a vector of ideas to achieve communication, but as a means of self-reflexivity. It is not the case that we feel something (say hunger) and in order to satisfy this we formulate intelligible words, adequately formed in such a way that once we verbalize this feeling another person can understand it. Language is not exclusively uni-directional; it is also reflexive. It means that language acquisition is the acquisition of a skill so as to present ourselves to ourselves. Language is an achieved subtlety of conceptual thought, a higher synthesis of speculation, in a manner that the ferment of intelligence may be objectified to ourselves so that we can come to know ourselves more deeply and intimately. Language makes the self transparent to itself.

Paul Ricoeur is famous for bringing the theory of hermeneutics into phenomenology. Indeed, he argues that the very aim of phenomenology is achieved through a detour towards hermeneutics. The study of that which appears becomes relevant and meaningful because that which presents itself to me, the phenomenon, calls for an interpretation. Ricoeur’s hermeneutical phenomenology is a sustained analysis of the phenomenon as quintessentially textual. This issues from an evolution of interest on the word (rhetoric), to the sentence (semantics), to the discourse (hermeneutics). The meaning of human existence lies neither in the lexical definition that a dictionary provide, nor in the tension between particular words and the sentence that these words constitute propositionally. Rather, human existence becomes meaningful in discourse—in the language that is spoken or uttered. Language is not just a system of signifier and signified. It needs to actualize itself in the event of discourse by realizing the linguistic competence inherent in human nature. Ricoeur can easily subscribe to Charles Taylor’s assessment that we are language animals. To quote Taylor: “the question of language is somehow strategic for the question of human nature, that man is above all the language animal.”4 However, for Ricoeur, language is not just a means. It is not reduced to a mere instrument to convey meaning from the subject’s inner mental world towards the externality and objectivity of discourse relations. Language becomes the very fabric of human existence. “Just as language, by being actualized as discourse, surpasses itself as system and realizes
itself as event, so too discourse, by entering the process of understanding, surpasses itself as event and becomes meaning.”5 The very meaning-constitution of human existence is linguistic. Reality becomes textuality. A phenomenology of human existence is a phenomenology of reading because that which presents itself, presents itself as needing interpretation. Ontology is symbolic, and “the symbol gives rise to thought.”6 To understand reality, one needs to interpret reality. This is Ricoeur’s idea of the hermeneutic circle. According to him, “hermeneutics proceeds from a prior understanding of the very thing that it tries to understand by interpreting it.”7 If this transaction between understanding and interpretation is crucial in the hermeneutic project, what arises is the conviction that all forms of mediation are mediations of and by the text. The objective reality becomes textual—an organized narrative composition; and the self itself becomes a narrative identity. “To understand is to understand oneself in front of the text.”8 We can see clearly that for Ricoeur, the text is the bridge between the subjectivity of the self and the objectivity of the world. For him, the linguistic turn is not just anthropological or hermeneutic, rather, it is ontological. Reality, therefore, is textual.

The living metaphor

To put language within the ambit of a phenomenology of reading is to decenter textuality from the author of the text and towards the reader and interpreter. Precisely because of the distanciation that results in the very act of writing, in the act of composition of discourse into a text, the text becomes unleashed from the authorial intention. The text becomes the subject of a multitude of interpretations corresponding to, and probably doubly more than, the number of interpreters themselves. What results from this decentering is that language becomes less of a vehicle for thought (of the speaker or author), and more of a disclosing force to bring reality to light (for the reader or interpreter). The disclosure of reality being inherent in language began in the phenomenological study of symbols particularly evident in Ricoeur’s The Symbolism of Evil. However, although symbols lead to a restorative hermeneutics that rehabilitate what may be referred to as original meanings, the referring ability of symbols fail to take notice of the continuous emergence of novelty, the irreverent dynamics of creativity and the restless play of imagination. It is on this regard that Ricoeur started to focus on metaphor in his exploration of the truth-disclosing force of language in his The Rule of Metaphor. It is not my goal here to enter thoroughly into all the argumentation present in this book. What needs to be said is that he finds Aristotle’s definition of metaphor intriguing: “the transfer of a word to a being that in the first instance defined another thing.” He understands metaphor as having three levels: metaphor at the level of the word is the domain of rhetoric; metaphor at the level of the sentence is the domain of semantics; and metaphor at the level of discourse is the domain of hermeneutics. According to Aristotle, metaphor belongs to rhetoric in the important sense of disclosing reality: “to set the scene before our eyes.” It brings reality, or at least a part of reality, to light. However, metaphor is not only in rhetoric. It is also in poetics, and here, its important function is to organize and structure. This function of organization and structuring is an inflation of language as creative of reality. Creativity in metaphor within the category of poetics creates reality for the reader— and yes, transforms the reader also in the process. The transfer of meaning in metaphor is exemplified in what Ricoeur refers to as “seeing as.” A metaphor allows one to see something in a new light. An ordinary ring can be seen differently; a familiar cup can disclose something that was formerly hidden; a second reading of a particular text opens up perspectives that were previously missed out. This aspect of “seeing as” of metaphor highlights the figurative character of language, and by extension, the figurative character of the whole of reality. A lacuna is opened up in “seeing as” that frees language and unfolds its inherent disclosive freedom towards creativity. Herein lies the emphasis that Ricoeur gives, in the sense that metaphors, and good ones at that, should be living metaphors, lively metaphors, new metaphors. Such will disclose and recreate reality by structuring and organizing it. Metaphor then is not simply disclosive in the sense of laying bare what already is the case but which may have been forgotten or overlooked. If this is the case, then metaphor still functions within the category of mimesis as understood by Plato (i.e., imitation). Inherent in metaphor is mimesis as understood by Aristotle in his Poetics. Here, mimesis is not simply imitation but involves poiesis, that is, making: “it is the specifically human activity of creating one thing to be like another thing.”9 Here, the metaphorization of language becomes the metaphorization of reality. In the Rule of Metaphor, one becomes aware of the metaphorization of being itself. “Seeing as” founds reality as “being as.” This is the very structure of Ricoeur’s hermeneutic ontology: that being presents itself, discloses itself in need of interpretation.

Towards a hermeneutical axiology

If in Ricoeur one sees the mediation of the three turns to immanence by a recourse to language, does this linguistic also mediate ontology with axiology? I believe that the answer to that is yes. Ricoeur’s turn to language in contemporary philosophy, along with other “continental” philosophers who had taken the linguistic turn in their thinking (e.g. Heidegger, Gadamer, Charles Taylor) is distinct from the turn to language found in the Analytic Tradition (e.g. Wittgenstein, Austin, etc.). In the analytic tradition, the emphasis on language is more on language as a medium for the description of reality, and this very description becomes the function of language’s propositional truth. Furthermore, language is taken generally as uni-directional, as the commerce of thought from one’s mind and how the ideas contained in this mind find their way towards the objective world through linguistic schemes. Language here becomes expression. In the analytic tradition, language follows the concept of mimesis found in Plato: it is the representation of ideas into sensible forms, and truth here becomes a matter of correspondence. In Ricoeur, there are elements that may be constituted in order to develop a hermeneutical axiology. This will not be difficult because Ricoeur paves the way towards a rehabilitation of the originary link between being and values such as goodness, beauty and truth. One needs to remember that for Aristotle, these transcendentals are intimately related by an appeal to an analogy of being, analogia entis. Each of the transcendentals discloses one another because each implicates the other by way of analogy in view of that to which each one appeals to. Hence, in being, goodness is already implied since goodness is that to which the will is oriented, truth is implied since truth is that to which reason is oriented, etc. The disclosure of the metaphorical character of being (“being as”) is founded on the subject’s capacity for a “seeing as,” a mode of imaginative thinking that renders reality as subject to a multiple of meanings. As Ricoeur himself summarizes, “Metaphor is living not only to the extent that it vivifies a constituted language. Metaphor is living by virtue of the fact that it introduces the spark of imagination into a ‘thinking more’ at the conceptual level. This struggle to ‘think more,’ guided by the ‘vivifying principle,’ is the ‘soul’ of interpretation.” (The Rule of Metaphor 303)."

https://philpapers.org/archive/MASMPA-4.pdf

"It can never be satisfied, the mind,
Never." -- Wallace Stevens

'Can the heart be satisfied' is a separate question, similar to the question of whether the souls of embodied beings can be satisfied. {note: I didn't intend to strike through that last sentence; the software did, and while I was able to delete passages unintentionally stricken-through in much of the text above, I'm unable to remove this latest strike-through.}

further note: in my experience here these unasked-for strike-throughs occur at times when the Paracast Forum software is being updated by a computer technologist.





 
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... What is disclosed in this interpretative transformation of reality is not simply an hermeneutical ontology but possibly—also through language—an hermeneutical axiology ...
Indeed. How do you think the element of intersubjectivity fits into this picture?
 
Indeed. How do you think the element of intersubjectivity fits into this picture?

As I said, I haven't read/studied Ricoeur's thought so the exposition of it presented in this paper is something I'm not prepared to defend. There are statements and conclusions {e.g., 'reality' is linguistic} in it that I cannot support from my phenomenologically informed approach. I plan to explore Ricoeur's thinking now or soon, and I have sent a link to this paper to a friend of mine who has studied Ricoeur and also invited her to join us here if she has time and interest.

Concerning 'intersubjectivity', maybe someone else here will see more than I do concerning it in this paper.

I copied the paper here because I came across it in a search for papers related to MP's "Institution and Passivity," which I hope to find an online pdf of. MP also spent a great deal of time on the significance of language for an understanding of the nature of being, and that is a subject I want to pursue now.
 
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As I said, I haven't read/studied Ricoeur's thought so the exposition of it presented in this paper is something I'm not prepared to defend. There are statements and conclusions {e.g., 'reality' is linguistic} in it that I cannot support from my phenomenologically informed approach. I plan to explore Ricoeur's thinking now or soon, and I have sent a link to this paper to a friend of mine who has studied Ricoeur and also invited her to join us here if she has time and interest.

Concerning 'intersubjectivity', maybe someone else here will see more than I do in concerning it in this paper.

I copied the paper here because I came across it in a search for papers related to MP's "Institution and Passivity," which I hope to find an online pdf of. MP also spent a great deal of time on the significance of language for an understanding of the nature of being, and that is a subject I want to pursue now.
I'm certainly no expert either, but in simplest terms, the way I interpreted the paper was that it was about how the way that we communicate effects our interpretation of what's being communicated. So it's not so much a claim that reality per se is linguistic, but that the disparity between reality and how we convey it to others is largely dependent on the tools we use to communicate, particularly text. So a prime example for you might be Pony's poetry. For someone else it might be a scientific paper. Both are attempts to convey a type of reality, the former being largely an expression of subjective experience, while the latter attempts to extrapolate objective properties. Both contain truths.
 
Biosocial selfhood: overcoming the ‘body-social problem’ within the individuation of the human self
Joe Higgins1
Published online: 10 June 2017 # The Author(s) 2017. This article is an open access publication

Abstract In a recent paper, Kyselo(2014) argues that an enactive approach to selfhood can overcome ‘the body-social problem’: "the question for philosophy of cognitive science about how bodily and social aspects figure in the individuation of the human individual self" (Kyselo 2014, p. 4; see also Kyselo and Di Paolo (2013)). Kyselo’s claim is that we should conceive of the human self as a socially enacted phenomenon that is bodily mediated. Whilst there is much to be praised about this claim, I will demonstrate in this paper that such a conception of self ultimately leads to a strained interpretation of how bodily and social processes are related. To this end, I will begin the paper by elucidating the body-social problem as it appears in modern cognitive science and then expounding Kyselo’s solution, which relies on a novel interpretation of Jonas’s(1966/2001) concept of needful freedom. In response to this solution, I will highlight two problems which Kyselo’s account cannot overcome in its current state. I will argue that a more satisfactory solution to the body-social problem involves a reconception of the human body as irrevocably socially constituted and the human social world as irrevocably bodily constituted. On this view, even the most minimal sense of selfhood cannot privilege either bodily or social processes; instead, the two are ontologically entwined such that humans are biosocial selves.

Keywords Selfhood. Cognitivescience. Embodiment. Ensocialment. Body-social problem. Enactivism



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As I awakened this morning (several times in a row, interspersed with brief periods of falling back to sleep) I experienced a sequence of stages of consciousness that felt like a series of declarations about consciousness, in each case fully-fledged but each marginally expanded. I will describe these in case they seem familiar to anyone else here. My first awakening was to the sense of the fully embodied and aware consciousness with which I usually awaken. The second was accompanied by an additional sense of my consciousness as composed of both body and mind {by 'mind' I mean the reflective, thinking, level of consciousness}. With the third wakening I sensed a third observer behind/surrounding the previous levels of a) simple presence to/awareness of myself and my embeddedness in the 'world' as I've understood it, and b) the sense of myself as reflective, thinking about, the nature of the compresence of embodied consciousness with enacting mind. This last stage led me to recollect the title of the fourth volume of Wolfgang Giegerich's most recent works in English, which is entitled The Soul Always Thinks. We discussed at some point back in our thread Giegerich's theory as expressed most categorically in that fourth volume, and I'll see if I can bring up a link to that discussion.

In the meantime, I've just read the Wikipedia article on Giegerich, which is well-informed and well-written, and want to quote here the last section at wiki under the heading "Criticism" to remind us of objections we also raised regarding The Soul Always Thinks:


"Criticism

James Hillman, among the most accomplished and prolific post-Jungian writers remarked on (some of) the work Giegerich was engaged in prior to 1994: “Wolfgang Giegerich’s thought is the most important Jungian thought now going on—maybe the only consistent Jungian thought at all.”[14] Hillman however qualified such praise by claiming that Giegerich's writings are also "vitiated with fallacies" of which Hillman elaborated three; 'the fallacy of historical models'; 'the ontological fallacy' and 'the fallacy of concretism'.[15] Giegerich’s work has also been controversial within the Jungian community, where the criticisms generally have been that his focus is too much on the intellect, that his writing style is unnecessarily opaque, and that it is difficult to relate his theory to the practice of psychotherapy. There is no documentation delineating the psychoanalytic efficacy of Giegerich's philosophical views in light of phenomena presenting for the clinical practice of psychology.

Giegerich is criticised as dismissive of the role of emotion plays in generating interest in logical process, thinking and doctrine,[16] and also for conflating "emotion" or "affect" with Jung's definition of "feelings" whilst summarily dismissing all three from any consideration of their influence in the dialectical process.[17] Whilst Giegerich appeals to Jung's definition of feeling as an "ego function" that negatively interferes with objective thought, he fails to elaborate on the role of physiological affect which, by contrast to Jung's feeling-function, is not an ego function and which nevertheless accompanies the human organism at all times in the form of moods that shape perceptions and influence logic in a way that cannot be simply dismissed as Giegerich recommends. Critics have stated that Giegerich's recommendations to "rise above" or to "be free of" emotions amount to the promotion of lack of emotional awareness and outright disaffectation in Joyce McDougall's sense of the term.[18] He has responded to a few of these criticisms in his writings, but not all.[19]


As I see it, Panksepp and his colleagues in Affective Neuroscience have provided us with the best insights to date into an understanding of emotion as critical for an understanding of animal and human consciousness at both the prereflective and reflective levels. Is anyone else here interested in pursuing this topic?

Wolfgang Giegerich - Wikipedia
 
As I see it, Panksepp and his colleagues in Affective Neuroscience have provided us with the best insights to date into an understanding of emotion as critical for an understanding of animal and human consciousness at both the prereflective and reflective levels. Is anyone else here interested in pursuing this topic? Wolfgang Giegerich - Wikipedia
Over the last few months I've done some reading on "Emotional Intelligence" in an effort to improve my communication skills. My historical approach has been to simply present facts and logic in an objective manner and dismiss the nonsense, assuming that's what everyone else also wanted. Why? Because it seemed logical to me that if we're all truth seekers, we would all find value in that approach. However in my reading on emotional intelligence I discovered I had a significant blind spot on the emotional side of the equation that explained the negative criticism I sometimes receive ( and had no clue as to why ).

So perhaps there's some value in exploring the relationship between emotion and consciousness. In relation to the above we might note that it doesn't appear necessary for consciousness to include emotion. Hypothetically a completely dispassionate intelligent conscious entity should be possible. But would it be desirable?
 
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