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Climate Change, Peak Oil and Political Economics

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Hi All - A bit ago one of those ancient Climate Change threads that I actually started back-in-the-day showed up in 'Trending Topics' and was actually 'Featured' at one point, but I can't find it now and have no idea where to look. Any of the Climate Change threads that do show up when I do a search are not the ones I'm looking for so I've decided to start a new thread. Just as well because I'm actually taking a different tack.

Back-when I was absolutely mesmerized by the Climate Change debate. I wasn't actually a believer - quite - though I was seen as one. Back when I got into it - my 'inner teenager' (read: rebellious nature) was operating because back in the late 90s into 00s Climate Change was being suppressed. That piqued my interest as does all such suppression so I was off and running. I was immersed in the scenario building.

I always knew there were two serious problems with the Climate Change theory: One, the computer generated scenarios were always questionable because of our limited knowledge of the natural world and hence the scenarios the computers produced could not then be trusted; Two, our understanding of the natural world itself was severely limited - we really did not have - and still do not have - a comprehensive understanding of the earth and how it functions to make such sweeping prognostications, even if some of the observations were accurate. I stand by those caveats.

Still, I went along with it all as the Climate Change idea gained steam, but I was never into the idea of 'peak oil' and the economics of 'green' - I've been pretty oblivious - UNTIL the Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg burst upon the scene and every alarm bell went off for me. Something was seriously off - I got off the Climate Change bandwagon, if I'd ever been on it, in the instant. Her UN appearance was outright cringeworthy and reeked of high level manipulation. What was going on? From that point on I was a skeptic of what I'd been hearing.

To the Thread's Topic:
I just chanced upon the fact that there has been two competing theories regarding the origin of oil. I didn't know this: there is the biotic theory (oil comes from long-dead extinct animals and so is limited) and the abiotic theory (oil comes from on-going chemical processes deep in the earth and so is unlimited). Didn't know this: Oil Wells do not actually go dry. They may cease production for a while but when revisited a couple of decades later they are gushing oil. Article to initiate thread discussion follows:

THEY HAVE BEEN LYING TO YOU ABOUT OIL FOR 150 YEARS.

"Oil is not rare. It is not made from dead dinosaurs. It is the second most common liquid on Earth after water and it is literally the planet’s lifeblood.

"The entire 'fossil fuel' scam was invented by the Rockefellers and the Smithsonian in the late 1800s to create artificial scarcity and jack up prices to insane levels. They fed you the biotic lie so you would believe oil is some finite dinosaur soup that is about to run dry. Total fabrication.

"Oil is abiotic. It is a liquid mineral cooked deep in the Earth’s mantle under crushing pressure and scorching heat. It is the natural lubricant for tectonic plates and the grease that keeps the planet’s massive gears turning smoothly.

"That is why wells drilled dry in the 1970s are filling back up again today. The Earth is pumping fresh oil from below and regenerating it nonstop. It does not run out. We are sucking the lubricant out of the planet’s engine and now the whole machine is starting to shake. [Not sure I agree with the secondary non-bolded assertion or the sentence below. Need to do more reading.]

"More earthquakes. Creaking faults. Grinding plates. Coincidence? No. We are stripping the oil that keeps the Earth’s crust sliding properly and the system is literally seizing up.

"The so-called 'fossil theory' is the greatest economic hack in human history. Real crude oil has almost zero biological markers. No nitrogen, no phosphorus, nothing that would survive if it came from dead organisms. It is pure polymeric hydrocarbons, primordial stuff from the Earth’s own formation.

"Thomas Gold tried to warn the world. He proved hydrocarbons like methane and oil rise from the deep mantle, not from ancient swamps. The establishment destroyed his reputation because the truth would collapse their entire control grid.

"If people knew oil is basically tap water for the planet, endlessly generated from below, the entire parasitic geopolitics of wars, sanctions, and price manipulation would evaporate overnight. [This - if true - is dead-on!]

"They do not want you to know the Earth makes its own oil.
"They need you scared, dependent, and paying through the nose while they bleed the planet dry.

"Wake up. The dinosaurs had nothing to do with it. This is the biggest lie they ever sold us and it is killing the engine of the world."
 
Hi All - A bit ago one of those ancient Climate Change threads that I actually started back-in-the-day showed up in 'Trending Topics' and was actually 'Featured' at one point, but I can't find it now and have no idea where to look. Any of the Climate Change threads that do show up when I do a search are not the ones I'm looking for so I've decided to start a new thread. Just as well because I'm actually taking a different tack.

Back-when I was absolutely mesmerized by the Climate Change debate. I wasn't actually a believer - quite - though I was seen as one. Back when I got into it - my 'inner teenager' (read: rebellious nature) was operating because back in the late 90s into 00s Climate Change was being suppressed. That piqued my interest as does all such suppression so I was off and running. I was immersed in the scenario building.

I always knew there were two serious problems with the Climate Change theory: One, the computer generated scenarios were always questionable because of our limited knowledge of the natural world and hence the scenarios the computers produced could not then be trusted; Two, our understanding of the natural world itself was severely limited - we really did not have - and still do not have - a comprehensive understanding of the earth and how it functions to make such sweeping prognostications, even if some of the observations were accurate. I stand by those caveats.

Still, I went along with it all as the Climate Change idea gained steam, but I was never into the idea of 'peak oil' and the economics of 'green' - I've been pretty oblivious - UNTIL the Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg burst upon the scene and every alarm bell went off for me. Something was seriously off - I got off the Climate Change bandwagon, if I'd ever been on it, in the instant. Her UN appearance was outright cringeworthy and reeked of high level manipulation. What was going on? From that point on I was a skeptic of what I'd been hearing.

To the Thread's Topic:
I just chanced upon the fact that there has been two competing theories regarding the origin of oil. I didn't know this: there is the biotic theory (oil comes from long-dead extinct animals and so is limited) and the abiotic theory (oil comes from on-going chemical processes deep in the earth and so is unlimited). Didn't know this: Oil Wells do not actually go dry. They may cease production for a while but when revisited a couple of decades later they are gushing oil. Article to initiate thread discussion follows:

THEY HAVE BEEN LYING TO YOU ABOUT OIL FOR 150 YEARS.

"Oil is not rare. It is not made from dead dinosaurs. It is the second most common liquid on Earth after water and it is literally the planet’s lifeblood.

"The entire 'fossil fuel' scam was invented by the Rockefellers and the Smithsonian in the late 1800s to create artificial scarcity and jack up prices to insane levels. They fed you the biotic lie so you would believe oil is some finite dinosaur soup that is about to run dry. Total fabrication.

"Oil is abiotic. It is a liquid mineral cooked deep in the Earth’s mantle under crushing pressure and scorching heat. It is the natural lubricant for tectonic plates and the grease that keeps the planet’s massive gears turning smoothly.

"That is why wells drilled dry in the 1970s are filling back up again today. The Earth is pumping fresh oil from below and regenerating it nonstop. It does not run out. We are sucking the lubricant out of the planet’s engine and now the whole machine is starting to shake. [Not sure I agree with the secondary non-bolded assertion or the sentence below. Need to do more reading.]

"More earthquakes. Creaking faults. Grinding plates. Coincidence? No. We are stripping the oil that keeps the Earth’s crust sliding properly and the system is literally seizing up.

"The so-called 'fossil theory' is the greatest economic hack in human history. Real crude oil has almost zero biological markers. No nitrogen, no phosphorus, nothing that would survive if it came from dead organisms. It is pure polymeric hydrocarbons, primordial stuff from the Earth’s own formation.

"Thomas Gold tried to warn the world. He proved hydrocarbons like methane and oil rise from the deep mantle, not from ancient swamps. The establishment destroyed his reputation because the truth would collapse their entire control grid.

"If people knew oil is basically tap water for the planet, endlessly generated from below, the entire parasitic geopolitics of wars, sanctions, and price manipulation would evaporate overnight. [This - if true - is dead-on!]

"They do not want you to know the Earth makes its own oil.
"They need you scared, dependent, and paying through the nose while they bleed the planet dry.

"Wake up. The dinosaurs had nothing to do with it. This is the biggest lie they ever sold us and it is killing the engine of the world."

MORE TO CONSIDER

 
MORE TO CONSIDER


Thanks. It doesn't mention the renewing wells - for me that's a game-changer, what's that about? How does the biotic theory account for that? Then there's the fact (apparently) that "Real crude oil has almost zero biological markers. No nitrogen, no phosphorus, nothing that would survive if it came from dead organisms. It is pure polymeric hydrocarbons, primordial stuff from the Earth’s own formation." So I am leaning towards the abiotic theory - because it also perfectly fits in with all the 'green' nonsense being peddled that is destroying economies all over the world, keeping whole areas of the world poor.

"Different perspectives behind the arguments between petroleum origin hypotheses. - Biotic origin of petroleum inspires the possibility of exhausting oil reserves and abiotic hypothesis assure quasi-unlimited supplies of oil and gas reserves. Therefore many issues regarding energy renewability rises. According to the website Petroleum.co.uk, politics as the main driver of every issue in our modern socio-economic aspects of living, the arguments of abiotic versus biotic origins of petroleum are caused by some hidden reasons which are for particular interests and politically motivated. For example, “a limited supply can be used to control people and as justification for actions like war. An unlimited supply, on the other hand, means that we need not worry about running out, that we ought to be able to drill for more oil and increase the daily supply so as to decrease price, and so forth” ( Petroleum , 2014)."

This is but one example of how we make policy based on 'scientific' suppositions that may or may not be true. We do our best, yes, but the angst we put people through - the willingness to become 'activists', even violent activists - based on what will turn out to be false assumptions - it gives one pause. Nested deep within this is a paradox, but in this case I'll go with the abiotic theory if only to pull the world back from its Climate Change delusion. [Climate is always changing, we are just not in crisis mode].
 
Thanks. It doesn't mention the renewing wells . . .
Oil isn't stored underground in pools. It's stored in porous rock. So think of it like a a really hard sponge. After the oil is extracted, it takes time to re-saturate — just like it takes a totally dry sponge time to re-hydrate. You see — I get this science 'cuz my Dad was a senior petroleum geologist who started teaching it to me when I was five. I've seen maps that few people are ever allowed to see.
 
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