Western Provinces of Canada Separate?

[Burnt State]

Alberta & Saskatchewan CHOOSE The USA!! — China Deal AT RISK for Mark Carney

Published July 22, 2026: [Video Run Time 8:24] PJ The Belt Channel

"Alberta & Saskatchewan have chosen the United States as their most important partner in trade negotiations, as Mark Carney's government seeks to draw Canada closer to China."

Canada's trade relationship with China is under 70 billion, with hopes to add another 10 billion.

America's trade relationship with China is 700 billion. They are China's #1 trading partner.

Who is closer to China?

 

[Tyger]

@Burnt State You are a puzzle. While I appreciate the response, it makes no sense. Did you listen to the video?

 

[Tyger]

Keep in mind that when I began this thread I was genuinely looking for insight regarding what was up with Canada - like most people (I think) one tends to just assume all is well with Canada. It's been an eye-opener, especially realizing that the whole eastern portion of Canada is what we in the US call 'woke', or Leftist, anyway - and that it's pretty intense up there. Never would have thought it because for myself I have always thought benignly of Canada and my few forays up there have always been genuinely 'magical' - loved it. I now know Canada is undergoing an intense change, especially regarding the impact of immigration - never knew that. In the end it's the world being changed and re-shaped into a new world by the conflict between the Globalists and the Sovereigntists - a definite war is afoot but unlike the kinetic wars of the 20th century.

The surprise is the animosity .... it has taken me totally by surprise. The following video is an interview by Rich - from 'Rich Does Politics' - with the 'Canadian Patriot Press' guy, very smart and highly informative. For the first time I learned that Canadians have a deeply-imbedded fear that the US wants to annex Canada? So from the Canadian perspective there is an edge, maybe even competitive? Never knew that.

Carney's bank Wasn't Built For NATO It Was Built For This...
Published August 6, 2026: [Video Run Time 48:30] Rich Does Politics and Canadian Patriot Press

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Carney's oath to the King
01:37 Why Canadians fell for Carney
05:02 The 2013 warning: a technocratic dictator in training
06:50 Derivatives, the financial weapon of mass destruction
11:14 Bail-ins, Brookfield and the Bronfman empire
15:24 Called back by Trudeau: Covid and the eco-warrior years
17:09 The NATO defense bank and Bill C-5
19:06 Canada's constitution serves the British Empire
22:49 The Privy Council's secret oath
25:22 The prime ministers who fought back
29:31 Nationalizing the Bank of Canada
31:17 Diefenbaker, the Coyne affair and the Avro Arrow
36:13 Carney's perverse copy of the American system
37:32 Missiles, Palantir and "sovereign AI"
42:03 Trudeaumania and Mr. Tim Hortons
44:15 Migration and the Empire's criminal sanctuary

 

[Randall]

Randall, just always saying it's propaganda is useless. Engage the ideas so one can be informed not just dismissed. Thank you.

Sure — but first there has to be "ideas" to engage, and not just propaganda.
Then again "propaganda" can also contain "ideas".
Maybe if we had more specifics?

In the meantime: I will be voting to allow a referendum on separation — but I'm on the fence when it comes to actually separating. Three main reasons:

1. Insufficient information on who will be running things.
2. Insufficient information on how they will be running things.
3. Insufficient information on the consequences of separation — especially long-term

I don't deny that the current Federal Government sucks and is only getting worse. It tends to do little other than shame Alberta while happily taking a portion of its wealth. However I would prefer to fix that situation in a way that keeps the country together ( rather than separate ). Separation leaves the Province even more open to:

1. Exploitation by big energy and other heavy polluters.
2. Alienation from the rest of Canada
3. Overall, putting Albertan's health and welfare at risk of an even worse situation

That said — if all the concerns can be met with a workable plan, and everything can be put in place for a smooth and legal transition, then given the current situation with the Feds, I see no reason to actively oppose separation.

 

[Tyger]

This history professor is elderly but has been a political activist for decades going way back. He's one of the Promethean folks. Some latitude for his age is needed when listening to him, but his story of Canada is well worth a listen.

Did you know that Canadian senators are *appointed* 'for life' (until age 75) and not elected? Learn something new every day. I am definitely clueless when it comes to the structure of the Canadian government. Just assumed it was 'like the US'. Nope. Pretty different. Catholic Church and all.

Most of the military story to do with Canada during the Revolutionary War I know from my schooldays since my childhood schooling took place in New England - but I didn't know about the very different 'class system' in effect in Quebec - explains a lot about the 'nature' of Canadians.


Saturday Class - Canada: Time to Reclaim our Lost 14th State - August 8, 2026
Published August 9, 2026: [Video Run Time 1:08:58] Promethean In-Depth

"This episode argues that Canada is a monarchy, not a republic, with King Charles III as head of state and broad powers exercised through the Governor General and Privy Council, and portrays modern Canada under Prime Minister Mark Carney as strategically hostile to the U.S.

"It then recounts the 'lost opportunity' of 1775, insisting the so-called American 'invasion' of Canada was a joint continental revolt against British rule across 15 colonies, including Quebec and New Brunswick.

"The script highlights appeals from the Continental Congress and George Washington to Canadians, widespread local support and militia cooperation, and the campaigns of Montgomery and Arnold that captured Montreal but failed at Quebec City amid weather, disease, and insufficient troops.

"After British reinforcements arrived, the Americans retreated, though Canadian volunteers continued and some later became U.S. citizens. It concludes with Benjamin Franklin’s near-success in peace talks to secure Canada and points to an October 19 Alberta referendum as a step toward independence and possible U.S. alignment."

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Why Canada Isn’t a Republic
01:32 Monarchy and Governor General Powers
05:19 Privy Council and Loyalty Oath
07:06 Mark Carney and the Oligarchy Claim
10:17 The 1775 Campaign Reframed
15:17 Plans to Add Quebec to the Union
24:08 Quebec Tyranny and the Quebec Act
32:25 Two-Pronged March on Quebec
37:59 Canadian Support and Revolutionary Ferment
45:57 Assault on Quebec City Fails
53:56 Retreat After British Reinforcements
01:01:04 Franklin’s Near-Annexation Bid
01:06:41 Modern Call to Free Canada

 

[Burnt State]

This history professor is elderly but has been a political activist for decades going way back. He's one of the Promethean folks. Some latitude for his age is needed when listening to him, but his story of Canada is well worth a listen.

Did you know that Canadian senators are *appointed* 'for life' (until age 75) and not elected? Learn something new every day. I am definitely clueless when it comes to the structure of the Canadian government. Just assumed it was 'like the US'. Nope. Pretty different. Catholic Church and all.

Most of the military story to do with Canada during the Revolutionary War I know from my schooldays since my childhood schooling took place in New England - but I didn't know about the very different 'class system' in effect in Quebec - explains a lot about the 'nature' of Canadians.


Saturday Class - Canada: Time to Reclaim our Lost 14th State - August 8, 2026
Published August 9, 2026: [Video Run Time 1:08:58] Promethean In-Depth

"This episode argues that Canada is a monarchy, not a republic, with King Charles III as head of state and broad powers exercised through the Governor General and Privy Council, and portrays modern Canada under Prime Minister Mark Carney as strategically hostile to the U.S.

"It then recounts the 'lost opportunity' of 1775, insisting the so-called American 'invasion' of Canada was a joint continental revolt against British rule across 15 colonies, including Quebec and New Brunswick.

"The script highlights appeals from the Continental Congress and George Washington to Canadians, widespread local support and militia cooperation, and the campaigns of Montgomery and Arnold that captured Montreal but failed at Quebec City amid weather, disease, and insufficient troops.

"After British reinforcements arrived, the Americans retreated, though Canadian volunteers continued and some later became U.S. citizens. It concludes with Benjamin Franklin’s near-success in peace talks to secure Canada and points to an October 19 Alberta referendum as a step toward independence and possible U.S. alignment."

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Why Canada Isn’t a Republic
01:32 Monarchy and Governor General Powers
05:19 Privy Council and Loyalty Oath
07:06 Mark Carney and the Oligarchy Claim
10:17 The 1775 Campaign Reframed
15:17 Plans to Add Quebec to the Union
24:08 Quebec Tyranny and the Quebec Act
32:25 Two-Pronged March on Quebec
37:59 Canadian Support and Revolutionary Ferment
45:57 Assault on Quebec City Fails
53:56 Retreat After British Reinforcements
01:01:04 Franklin’s Near-Annexation Bid
01:06:41 Modern Call to Free Canada

The senate is a rather anachronistic arm of Canadian gov't and the governor general has next to no power whatsoever when it comes to literally anything. We are so far from a monarchy it's not even funny. We abandoned merry old England a long time ago when we got our constitution under our control. England has nothing to do with us thank goodness. We are one of the only countries in the world to happily declare ourselves a multi-cultural nation. We embrace our immigrant population as they are the only ones having babies - someone has to work and pay taxes for our aging population. I find it quite ludicrous listening to the outlandish propaganda like this stuff about Canada as it is so far, far away from reality. Perhaps this stuff has something to do with the whole Klu Klux Klan populous that made their way to alberta after being disbanded in America?

 

[Tyger]

The senate is a rather anachronistic arm of Canadian gov't and the governor general has next to no power whatsoever when it comes to literally anything. We are so far from a monarchy it's not even funny. We abandoned merry old England a long time ago when we got our constitution under our control. England has nothing to do with us thank goodness.

Yes he mentions (I think) that it is akin to the House of Lords. However, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, and posted Carney saying so, he seemed pretty intent on explaining to the Canadian public who was in charge of the military and the lines of power etc. At least Carney does not believe Canada "abandoned merry old England a long time ago when we got our constitution under our control." He was definitely giving you guys heads-up on just who is calling the shots.

We are one of the only countries in the world to happily declare ourselves a multi-cultural nation. We embrace our immigrant population as they are the only ones having babies - someone has to work and pay taxes for our aging population.

As does the US 'happily declare', though our issue down this-a-way has to do with illegal immigrants pouring across the border. Uncontrolled immigration has impacted employment figures for US citizens, with loss of income and loss of housing, not to mention draining social services - as we are having to deal with a population that while working here is not actually paying into the system because they are illegal. [We'll skip past the whole issue of the Cartels and the massive fraud being perpetrated. In just 18 months or so we've managed to deport 5 million illegals. That number includes those who have self-deported. Crime statistics are down.]

I find it quite ludicrous listening to the outlandish propaganda like this stuff about Canada as it is so far, far away from reality.

Please cite chapter and verse, @Burnt State . How is a rendering of Revolutionary history propaganda? What about this gentleman's narrative is "so far away from reality"? You're making a statement with no facts. Did you actually listen to the video? I think you didn't - you didn't have time to listen to it before you posted. At most you listened to 5-10 minutes of a 1 hour 8 minute video. That's pretty unfair to the discourse.

What's the point of popping in to say pointless things not grounded in respect for the people trying to have a conversation?

Perhaps this stuff has something to do with the whole Klu Klux Klan populous that made their way to alberta after being disbanded in America?

What is this about? You've brought this belief about Alberta and the KuKluxKlan before. What's up? Has nothing to do with the video's content.

Read the comments under the video. There are Canadians in sync with what is being said. Two comments: "I’m third generation Canadian prairies and I’ve always considered myself in North America before being a Canadian. Eastern Canada is where the Canadians live." "All members of Parliament, both elected and appointed, swear an oath of loyalty to the Crown/Monarch, not to the people."

 

[Tyger]

That said — if all the concerns can be met with a workable plan, and everything can be put in place for a smooth and legal transition, then given the current situation with the Feds, I see no reason to actively oppose separation.

Admission to the Union is, or was back in the wild west days, a lengthy process - though maybe that process had to do with wilderness territories out west that had to create governmental structures etc. The last two states admitted to the Union were Alaska and Hawaii in 1959.

"Hawaii and Alaska took over 60 years from their annexation and territorial status to achieve statehood, with Alaska becoming a state on January 3, 1959, and Hawaii on August 21, 1959. Alaska was annexed in 1898, while Hawaii was annexed in the same year, making their paths to statehood lengthy and complex."

Puerto Rico is a US Territory and three times it has voted down the referendum - by a squeak - not to transition from territory to statehood. Puzzling as to why. I think some believe being a protectorate of the US is a better deal than being a full-fledged state.

The people from Alberta pressing this idea forward have visited Washington to discuss it though it's never gone as far as the presidential level (as far as I've heard). Whoever they are talking to - State Department? - has given them advice, anyway. Most seem to think that if Alberta ever really did successfully break away, then Saskatchewan and Manitoba would follow. No matter the vote - would it ever be allowed to happen? Hard to imagine because Ottawa would be losing their gravy-train.

I have heard that it will never be allowed - and that has to do with the Crown and the City of London. Explains why - as mentioned in one of my links - Carney populating Ottawa with Globalists. Would explain why Carny is giving speeches explaining to Canadians who is really in charge - the Crown.

 

[Randall]

I have heard that it will never be allowed - and that has to do with the Crown and the City of London. Explains why - as mentioned in one of my links - Carney populating Ottawa with Globalists. Would explain why Carny is giving speeches explaining to Canadians who is really in charge - the Crown.

I've heard that too. Whatever the case, I still think that a referendum should be allowed. After that, who knows? That's my concern. What's the actual plan if by some whacky circumstance the separtists win? Right now, it's not good enough. Too many holes and opportunities for even worse things than staying in Canada to happen.

 

[Tyger]

@Randall I have a question for you. Context: I occasionally watch videos from a channel that discusses getting second passports etc. It's a curiosity thing on my part. I love my country and cannot conceive of ever permanently leaving it for any reason no matter what. So I am fascinated by those who do take up and leave their country to travel across the world to live their twilight years in a foreign land. I can't conceive doing that for any reason.

So my question is this: someone made this comment on a video on that passport channel: "I just received my second Citizenship from Portugal a few weeks ago and it feels great. Canada is getting out of control." What does that mean? How 'out of control' ? It strikes me as such a strange thing to say. Any ideas?

Here in the US we just had the experience of the World Cup soccer fans being blown away by their experience of the US and its citizenry - they claimed they'd been lied to by the main stream news, that the US was nothing like it is portrayed. In that I have to agree - like any place stay clear of high risk areas like certain inner cities, but in the main the US is a peaceful place to live. Even here on this site someone mentioned that America is in very bad shape - what? For sure there is an intense political polarization afoot, mainly seen via social media, but in everyday life all is pretty calm and all is good. As the saying goes: don't go looking for trouble and trouble won't go looking for you. Crazy people everywhere. I'm reminded of Michigan and it's old Muslim population that's been there for decades - settled and well integrated - that actually voted for Trump - yet if you listened to the media reports you might think a crisis was afoot.

So what does Canada being 'out of control' mean? I've heard nothing. Any idea?

 

[Tyger]

I hate the fact that we are unable to edit our posts except for a brief window allowed after posting. If I could I would edit out what I said about Muslims, not because it's not accurate, but because the whole subject is far more nuanced.

A brave Iranian legal immigrant walked straight into a city council meeting in McKinney, Texas, and exposed exactly what happens when you let radical Islamic ideology creep into local communities. He survived Sharia law in Iran, and he gave the council a chilling warning:

"I'm telling you, this is a bad idea and you're going to regret not listening to people like us who lived under Sharia law!"

"I'm here to tell you this is a dangerous ideology you're allowing in your country. Christianity is a personal relationship with God. Islam is Sharia law. Religion and state — which is not compatible with the American system."

He completely dismantled their agenda to the entire room. He pointed out how this ideology uses the "race card" and accusations of "Islamophobia" to silence anyone who dares to criticize it — just like what’s happening in the UK with two-tier policing.

This man knows the truth because he lived it, and he watched his friends get imprisoned and executed just for standing up for their faith as apostates.

The media will never show you this.

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[Randall]

@Randall I have a question for you . . . So what does Canada being 'out of control' mean? I've heard nothing. Any idea?

I'm in Alberta, and I don't travel much outside the province — let alone Canada, but my impression is that the COVID era woke a lot of otherwise complacent citizens up, and because the trend of insideous authoritarian control is still creeping steadily upward — lagging slightly behind the UK, and there is increased political discontent, homelessness, and inflation, citizens are feeling the squeeze — and looking for alternatives.

I'm a low-income senior who relies on Old Age Security, and this year, despite inflation at record highs — it deceased by over $250 a month. I am not impressed. Nevertheless — Alberta is my home, and whether we break away or not is irrellevant to me. I'm staying here. Every other place I've considered moving to is worse ( to me ) in some respect. Not that we don't also have problems, but if everything goes to Hell, there are few places with more going for it ( IMO ).

BTW — I've always considered our Ameruican neighbors as family, and am dismayed at the rift that seems to have developed over the political issues. I remember the good old days, back in the 60s when we could simply drive across the US/Alberta border — no guards — and go for day trips to each others country — I miss those days.

 

[Tyger]

I'm a low-income senior who relies on Old Age Security, and this year, despite inflation at record highs — it deceased by over $250 a month. I am not impressed.

Holy Moly!!!! That is no joke!!!! Good grief, what do they suppose older folks are going to do with such a catastrophic decrease in monthly benefits? Everything is relative, of course, but when one is at an age when working is a dicey proposition and inflation is a real wolf at the door - I'm gobsmacked (as the British would say). So sorry to hear, Randall.

I remember the good old days, back in the 60s when we could simply drive across the US/Alberta border — no guards — and go for day trips to each others country — I miss those days.

As do I. It has a chance to come back to that - maybe - but it'll take a lot to have it happen.

Canadians need to wake up to what Carny is about before he completes the rout, if he hasn't already completed it, and stop thinking of Trump as a negative adversarial force. A lot hinges on whether Trump can effect the massive turn he is negotiating globally. What a time to be alive! And just watch this all unfolding.

 

[Tyger]

THE OUTLAW LEDGER: Canada Is Not a Partner — It's an Empire

Published August 19, 2026: [Video Run Time 13:52] Promethean Updates

"President Trump announced a three-day pause on planned 50% tariffs against Canada, citing a pending deal and suggesting Keystone XL could be revived.

"Susan Kokinda argues the dispute is larger than USMCA negotiations, portraying Canada as an 'outlaw' that enables transshipment 'smuggling', fails to enforce forced-labor bans, and facilitates 'snow-washing' through weak corporate transparency and money laundering documented in British Columbia’s Cullen Commission.

"She contrasts U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright’s pro-development case for oil and gas as civilizational progress with Canadian Minister Mélanie Joly’s Chatham House speech promoting 'geo-industrialization' and a Mark Carney-aligned 'middle powers' strategy against U.S. and China 'hegemons'.

"Kokinda highlights a House of Commons petition led by Green Party leader Elizabeth May to declare U.S. Ambassador Pete Hoekstra 'persona non grata', and notes Joly’s outreach to U.S. lawmakers and cities during the trade fight."

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 THE OUTLAW LEDGER: Canada Is Not a Partner — It's an Empire
01:40 The Outlaw Ledger
05:11 Two Cabinet Officers, Two Systems
09:16 The Petition and the Outpost

 

[Randall]

THE OUTLAW LEDGER: Canada Is Not a Partner — It's an Empire . . .

Hmm — I sort of buy into some of it — not all of it.
The common theme is "big industry".
Just bear that in mind when thinking of who's got the most to gain or lose.
Us — we're pretty much irrelevant ( useless eaters and all that lovely sentiment ).

 

[Tyger]

Hmm — I sort of buy into some of it — not all of it.

Care to say what you buy into and what you don't? If it's too time-coming to go into detail, I understand. Answer only if it's an easy post.

 

[Randall]

Care to say what you buy into and what you don't? If it's too time-coming to go into detail, I understand. Answer only if it's an easy post.

Canada & The USA are not at war. Trump's Tariffs aren't helpful to anyone but market speculators. Canada's politicians and elite are no worse than those in the USA when it comes to "money laundering". Canada and the USA both use trade as political tools — but Canada is portrayed as being an "outlaw with a flag stapled to it". The heavy pro-American big industry bias is so thick you can cut it with a knife. It's gaslighting propaganda designed to instill division while cheerleading big polluters and deflecting blame.

That was only half-ways through it.

A more fair-minded and practical perspective would be to think of Canada & the USA as countries with common problems that together can be resolved through communication and cooperation rather than this tit-for tat bickering and divisive rhetoric. However — freedom of speech is important, so let her have her rant.

Personally, I think both systems North & South of the border need a complete overhaul, and that a North American Union under a reformed system of governance makes the most sense. Of course that means a lot of politicians would be out of a job — along with their industrialist lobbyists. So it's not likely to happen in our lifetime.

 

[Tyger]

I concede that Susan Kokinda's brief is pretty thick and requires some background to understand her points.

Canada & The USA are not at war.

Within the context of what Kokinda is putting forth they are. She is positing that there are two different systems confronting each other. The US, under the guidance of the Trump Administration, is returning to its origins in the Hamiltonian American System of Political Economy, which posits the US as a sovereign nation promoting its economic growth through protective tariffs, a national bank, (not the Federal Reserve), and infrastructure improvements. With Trump that translates to re-industrialization. We followed this system for 150 years until it was subverted at the dawn of the 20th Century with the Federal Reserve being set up, 'temporary' Income Taxes replacing our tariff system, and bending the knee to be the military arm of the Imperial British System - the second system, which Canada functions under. Two different systems, two different visions.

Trump's Tariffs aren't helpful to anyone but market speculators.

The tarrifs help the US - without tariffs the US has been subsidizing the world, that includes Canada.

Canada's politicians and elite are no worse than those in the USA when it comes to "money laundering".

Canada is subverting the US. Canada is working with China to re-package goods to avoid the US tariffs. This is a form of smuggling.

Plus Canada is not abiding by its own laws when it fails to enforce the banning of goods made with forced or slave labor.

Then comes the complex situation of 'snow-washing' in BC. She cites the Cullen Committee findings. Canada has the 'weakest corporate transparency laws in the world'. The Vancouver Model takes the Sinaloa and CGNC Cartel monies and the Chinese Triad money - laundering it all through casinos, luxury cars and real estate. It is estimated that in BC alone the money 'washes' from $500M to $5B in one year.

She makes a comparison to The City of London stating that the above is their business model. Banditry.

All of the above counters the Minister Joly at Chatham House recently claiming Canada is a stable, reliable, grown-up partner.

Canada and the USA both use trade as political tools — but Canada is portrayed as being an "outlaw with a flag stapled to it".

Kokinda is portraying Canada as an 'outlaw' because Canada is not playing by its own rules, and in doing so the US can't trust Canada.
Canada uses trade to erode American economic sovereignty by design.

I believe this phrase about the outlaw and a flag stapled to it has to do with what the Canadian ambassador to the US is doing in the US right now, very atypical behavior for an ambassador - to visit the opposition in a country (she is visiting state houses and cities to meet with Trump's opponents) to press a political agenda. Subversive. That's not a trade partner. [This is in context talking about the attempt to dismiss the American Ambassador from Canada as persona non grata.]

The heavy pro-American big industry bias is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Because that is what the US is - industry. What the US is doing has been totally out in the open since Trump took office. Over the last 40-50 years the US has been gutted of its industry and its wealth - we have gone into serious debt, on the verge of bankruptcy, paying for the world's safety and its social programs. We are returning to our industrial roots to be a self-reliant, sovereign nation, with the idea that every other nation does the same for themselves. No more handouts. No more relying on the US.

Kokinda is pro-American because she is speaking from the American perspective. Nothing wrong with that. Canada needs to start looking at its own industrial base, developing its own wealth through creativity and not through banditry - like the 'snow-washing'.

It's gaslighting propaganda designed to instill division while cheerleading big polluters and deflecting blame.

I'm having trouble with this sentence. Where is the gaslighting? Kokinda is stating the situation as it is. Where is the gaslighting?

What division? Big polluters? Deflecting blame? Be precise. Give details.

Kokinda showed the the US Energy Secretary mentioning that life expectancy has gone from 30 years to over 70 years because of energy, because of oil and gas. She quoted the Energy Secretary saying in Texas: 'There are 1 billion people in the world living awesome lives. There are 7 billion people wanting to live those awesome lives.' To do that every nation must become self-sufficient. The American System. Energy.

A more fair-minded and practical perspective would be to think of Canada & the USA as countries with common problems that together can be resolved through communication and cooperation rather than this tit-for tat bickering and divisive rhetoric.

Absolutely, common problems, but each country has to do what is right for them and not expect other countries to gift them largesse, what the US has been doing at the expense of its own citizens. But doing so honestly, not trying to skin the opponent - has to be a fair exchange, which it what not for decades.

Personally, I think both systems North & South of the border need a complete overhaul, and that a North American Union under a reformed system of governance makes the most sense.

Trump is doing the overhaul on a global scale. Breathtaking to watch.

But the system south of your border is the American System of Political Economy - which btw was being studied by SunYatSen in China, even in Russia and Japan, many places in the 1800s. The flipping of the situation at the beginning of the 20th century by the bankers changed the course of the world - we are only just getting back on track. Canada is captured by the British Imperial System - the Globalists. It is a war between the Globalists and the Sovereigntists. Your Mark Carny is a creature of the Globalists, he is one of the bankers.

Local. Always local. Thing is, Canada operates that way between Provinces, not so? There are tariffs between provinces? A federal government has a distinct task but should be small, deferring powers to the states that then defers to the county, city, town, village. Getting a bigger conglomerate has its problems - especially with Canadian sensibilities I am now learning, not to mention the Quebecois. There is such a different mind-set.

Of course that means a lot of politicians would be out of a job — along with their industrialist lobbyists. So it's not likely to happen in our lifetime.

Here the difference in mind-set between Canada and the US is at its most acute. Plus the belief in Climate Change. But those who do what is necessary re energy cannot be made to support those who do not. Business is not our enemy - it is why we live awesome lives.

 

[Randall]

Within the context of what Kokinda is putting forth they are.

It's hyperbole.

The tarrifs help the US - without tariffs the US has been subsidizing the world, that includes Canada.

Trump’s blanket tariff policies have slowed economic growth, increased everyday prices for consumers, and reduced manufacturing jobs in the United States, while deeply disrupting trade, causing export losses, and forcing expensive retaliation in Canada. Meanwhile, knowing which ones and when they're coming is basically the same as insider trading.

Canada is subverting the US. Canada is working with China to re-package goods to avoid the US tariffs. This is a form of smuggling.

Oh please — The USA is the biggest "smuggler" of weapons in the world. Bypassing Congress: In May 2026, the State Department authorized nearly $9 billion in fast-tracked arms sales to Middle Eastern partners like Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, and Israel.

Plus Canada is not abiding by its own laws when it fails to enforce the banning of goods made with forced or slave labor.

That problem isn't unique to Canada. Incarcerated workers and victims of human trafficking produce more than $11 billion worth of goods and services annually inside the United States under severe, "slave-like" conditions.

Then comes the complex situation of 'snow-washing' in BC. She cites the Cullen Committee findings.

The United States faces systemic financial vulnerabilities that directly mirror the Cullen Commission's findings in British Columbia. In fact, global transparency groups frequently label the U.S. as one of the easiest places in the world to hide and wash dirty money.

Kokinda is portraying Canada as an 'outlaw' because Canada is not playing by its own rules, and in doing so the US can't trust Canada.
Canada uses trade to erode American economic sovereignty by design.

And the USA doesn't? It's hypocritical.

I'm having trouble with this sentence. Where is the gaslighting? Kokinda is stating the situation as it is. Where is the gaslighting?

I guess if you don't see it — you've fallen for it.

What division? Big polluters? Deflecting blame? Be precise. Give details.

It's obvious — virtuially all big industry are big polluters. Excluding CO₂, America's biggest polluters are the metal mining and chemical manufacturing industries, which dump billions of pounds of toxic chemicals into the land and water, alongside agricultural and drilling companies leaking super-potent methane gas. That hasn't even scratched big-energy with its fracking that contaminates underground water supplies.

Kokinda showed the the US Energy Secretary mentioning that life expectancy has gone from 30 years to over 70 years because of energy, because of oil and gas. She quoted the Energy Secretary saying in Texas: 'There are 1 billion people in the world living awesome lives. There are 7 billion people wanting to live those awesome lives.' To do that every nation must become self-sufficient. The American System. Energy.

That's part of big industry propaganda and gaslighting ( pardon the actual pun there ) — failing to mention the harms caused by industrial waste, chemicals, ulktraprocessed foods, microplastics. Hundreds of millions of Americans are exposed to these toxins, and hundreds of thousands suffer serious illnesses directly linked to them.

Trump is doing the overhaul on a global scale. Breathtaking to watch.

More like sickening ( to me ). The world is closer to WW3 than ever before, defense spending has skyrocketed, exceeding the trillion dollar mark for the first time in history, his economic policies are causing global turmoil, inflation is higher than ever, as is the national debt, all while the USA infrastructure is crumbling.

But the system south of your border is the American System of Political Economy - which btw was being studied by SunYatSen in China, even in Russia and Japan, many places in the 1800s. The flipping of the situation at the beginning of the 20th century by the bankers changed the course of the world - we are only just getting back on track. Canada is captured by the British Imperial System - the Globalists. It is a war between the Globalists and the Sovereigntists. Your Mark Carny is a creature of the Globalists, he is one of the bankers.

Like I already said — both countries have problems, and I'd sooner work together than see people like ( what's her name ) sewing all this division.

Local. Always local. Thing is, Canada operates that way between Provinces, not so? There are tariffs between provinces? A federal government has a distinct task but should be small, deferring powers to the states that then defers to the county, city, town, village. Getting a bigger conglomerate has its problems - especially with Canadian sensibilities I am now learning, not to mention the Quebecois. There is such a different mind-set.

Like I already said — both countries have problems, and I'd sooner work together than see people like ( what's her name ) sewing all this division.

Here the difference in mind-set between Canada and the US is at its most acute. Plus the belief in Climate Change. But those who do what is necessary re energy cannot be made to support those who do not. Business is not our enemy - it is why we live awesome lives.

You're buying into big energy propaganda again. Big Energy companies have a documented, century-long track record of extracting billions of dollars in oil, gas, and coal wealth while leaving taxpayers and local communities to clean up environmental destruction.

From toxic "forever oil spills" to leaving millions of toxic open wells abandoned across North America, the energy sector frequently uses legal loopholes, bankruptcy courts, and corporate shell games to avoid cleaning up after themselves. The scope of this exploitation is massive, visible across several multi-billion-dollar crises — that's not even touching fracking and glyphosate.

If you feel the urge to deny this or brand this as some kind of "eco-extremism" — then it's a sign that the gaslighting and proganda is doing its job.

For life exepectancy — fewer wars, cleaner water, sanitation, nutrition, and antibiotics are the main contributors. Sure — at some level they can be labeled as "industries" — but not the way ( what's his name ) was spinning it.

To sum-up ( again ). North America has its problems. They can be looked at divisively or holistically. I prefer the latter. To me Kokinda's piece is just whiny anti-Canadian rhetoric that fosters division. She'd do more good taking-up knitting.

Working together, RFK Jr. and Trump's potential was massive. Instead — IMO they've both grossly underperformed. But that's nothing new — and BTW — that's not to imply that our Canadian counterpart is Mr. Fantastic either. Both systems seem to be a mess. My solution would be to foster North American unity and governmental reform in a citizen-up manner. It seems to me that those in power ( the top-down crowd ) really don't want that, and therefore have a vested interest in fostering the division.

Sorry — but I don't have the time to write a whole book complete with details and references.
But you can verify it all for yourself if you make the effort.

Here's an interesting article:

A 1930s movement wanted to merge the US, Canada and Greenland. Here’s why it has modern resonances

Dr Dafydd Townley writes for the Conversation.

www.port.ac.uk

 

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