So I came across a short segment w/ Gary Nolan in another podcast

[Red]

So...Nolan claims the CIA came to him with the MRIs of people whose brains were damaged by UFOs. And no, I'm not making this up. Nor do I believe for a second that it was UFOs. Here we go again. Want a start a pool on what kind of shape the conspiracy is going to take this time?

 

[Randall]

So...Nolan claims the CIA came to him with the MRIs of people whose brains were damaged by UFOs. And no, I'm not making this up. Nor do I believe for a second that it was UFOs. Here we go again. Want a start a pool on what kind of shape the conspiracy is going to take this time?

One possibility is a mind control psyop.

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One possibility is a mind control psyop.

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Oh, my first thought it was a disinfo campaign to cover up some shady stuff. I don't know if all those individuals were targeted or not, but I'm inclined that Nolan's conversation arose from incidental or targeted exposure to some classified tech.

 

[Burnt State]

So...Nolan claims the CIA came to him with the MRIs of people whose brains were damaged by UFOs. And no, I'm not making this up. Nor do I believe for a second that it was UFOs. Here we go again. Want a start a pool on what kind of shape the conspiracy is going to take this time?

I don't think it was that clear. I believe that he was first asked to explore the medical conditions of people with Havana Syndrome and he did the blood work if I remember correctly, as that's his specific area. I posted a video interview with him recntly where h explained the connections and how it went from looking at the Havana Syndrome patients to those who had similar medical effects but had come in contact with either UFI''s or UFO artifacts. Pasulka also explored some of these investigations as even the three letter agencies like to use the invisible college when it suits them. I'm sure we all remember the news article that spoke about Bigelow building a facility to house non-terrestrial artifacts because of their profound effects on those who were working closely with them. And then nothing more was heard about that outside of Nolan's discussion of his involvement with looking at people with medical conditions resulting from working with these artifacts.

 

[withoutlimits09]

I agree—everything about this seems far more aligned with what later became known as Havana Syndrome, which, as far as I can recall, had nothing to do with UFOs.


I do know that John Burroughs ran into serious issues with his medical records following his encounter at Rendlesham Forest. He was attempting to receive VA treatment for medical problems he believed were connected to the alleged UFO landing. The government, however, appeared reluctant to acknowledge or engage with those claims in any meaningful way. Eventually, Burroughs managed to get John McCain to intervene on his behalf, which proved to be the turning point.


What remains unclear is whether the VA ultimately recognized his case because of any compelling evidence related to a UFO encounter, or simply because a powerful U.S. Senator formally advocated for him.


I remember when Burroughs finally received treatment based on what he believed were UFO-related injuries, it was widely heralded as the government “admitting” that UFOs had injured soldiers in the field. I never saw it that way. To me, it looked far more like the VA conceding a case after sustained pressure—not validating UFO causation, but resolving a difficult bureaucratic and political situation.

Nolan's testimony seems to be somewhere in the middle of two kinds of cases.

 

[Randall]

Oh, my first thought it was a disinfo campaign to cover up some shady stuff. I don't know if all those individuals were targeted or not, but I'm inclined that Nolan's conversation arose from incidental or targeted exposure to some classified tech.

Your first impression is probably correct, and the more you look, the weirder it gets.

According to Google's AI:

Yes, Dr. Garry Nolan, a professor of pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine, has stated that he was contacted by individuals associated with the CIA and aerospace corporations to analyze MRI scans of individuals—specifically pilots, intelligence officers, and government personnel—who reported injuries after close encounters with Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs or UFOs).
Here are the key details regarding his statements:

• Brain Damage Findings: Nolan described the brain scans as appearing "fried," showing significant damage similar to "white matter disease" or multiple sclerosis, featuring large, white, scarred, or dead tissue spots.
• The Subjects: The individuals involved were roughly 100 personnel from the defense, government, and aerospace sectors who had approached UAPs, with about a quarter of these cases ending in death.
• Havana Syndrome Overlap: Nolan noted that many of these injured individuals showed symptoms identical to "Havana Syndrome," with some cases suspected to be caused by advanced energy weapons or electromagnetic radiation.
• Brain Structure Findings: In some, but not all, cases, Nolan found that these individuals had an over-connection of neurons between the head of the caudate and the putamen, which are areas of the brain involved in, among other things, intuition.
• Initial Skepticism: While initially skeptical, Nolan agreed to review the data and confirmed that the damage was apparent to anyone looking at the scans.

Nolan's role was to use his expertise in blood analysis and immunology to determine if any biological markers or damage patterns could be identified from these incidents.

Of related interest:

Neurological Effects of Encounters with Unidentified Aerial Phenomena​

 

[Red]

The podcast is High Strange, and it may get into that, but the first episode of the second season delivered clips of David Grusch's testimony and that short clip of Gary Nolan talking about the CIA and UFO injuries without any further context.

 

[Burnt State]

Nolan has been at the centre of a lot of the high end science thrown at the problem, and the most interesting bits so far have been the NIDS reports from way back in the Bigelow On the Ranch days, and the more recent comparison between Havana Syndrome victims and those who were in contact with supposed non-human artifacts, as both showed evidence of being in contact with a unique, but similar, technology.

What's not talked about in detail anywhere is Vallee's allusions to recent evidence found at classic UFO landing spots Socorro, Valensole etc. and Nolan may be the guy doing analysis on these materials as well - who knows. It certainly points right at the whole scene in Pasulka's book where she is blindfolded and driven out to a classic UFO landing spot to look for more materials. I love the whole spy crap that gets thrown into the UFO hotpot, making everything subject to doubt and ridicule.

 

[Red]

Well, sometimes ufology is it's own worst enemy and doesn't even need the spooks to stir the pot. I can think of several occasions of researchers behaving badly that had nothing to government disinformation campaigns. I do think anytime the spooks start coming around, it's not ever about UFOs, but it's become a convenient screen to obscure whatever else may be going on.

 

[Burnt State]

Well, sometimes ufology is it's own worst enemy and doesn't even need the spooks to stir the pot. I can think of several occasions of researchers behaving badly that had nothing to government disinformation campaigns. I do think anytime the spooks start coming around, it's not ever about UFOs, but it's become a convenient screen to obscure whatever else may be going on.

Talk about the nuts and bolts of the history of ufology. It seems like it can't help but being self-destructive. Hansen would say the trickster is at work by the very nature of what is being investigated. I think of all the many mental health related events associated with the history of ufology. Some really sad stuff.

Still, there is also the other creative side that is wonderfully dynamic.Some interesting thought has come from it in a variety of disciplines over the decades from Fort onwards. It seems to be an interdisciplinary subject and requires that kind of dynamic invisible college to explore it. Those groups are also happening, and that comes down in trickles.

The whole thing needs a more coordinated multi tiered approach that is taken seriously and is reported on, the way that all publicly funded agencies provide reports.

I think its ultimate weird factor just doesn't jive with how all us humans experience reality. And that probably scares people. I don't think anyone really has a grasp on wtf is going on with UFO's imho. It's just like Bigfoot. Where the hell is he hanging out, like really?

There's some really weird stuff going on, on our strange planet, to quote Christopher O'Brien. Always had been going on.

 

[Burnt State]

''I can not tell if it was a real entity or a simulation of a real entity....it presented in a secure facility with constructive interaction" that kept on going. And that "we can now engage in a controlled method of interaction"...this is Vallee on a fairly recent podcast confirming that there was human and non human communication taking place and that it was repeatable. And then he went on to talk about the young witness from a Trinity and their interaction with a non human intelligence. He's still holding to Trinity as real?!...and then he went on talk about time and then he basically explained that our senses just don't have the capacity to experience reality as it is. "I think it's dangerous and need to learn to cohabit with it and to communicate with it."

That's from Weaponized 12/24/2025

I don't know what's going on with ufology tbh. I think Curt Collins with his critique of how the UFO conundrum is being packaged to us through the media as something that is just about objects in the sky that the military is contending with very quietly is all we need to know. No real talk about occupants except in Dreamland areas and these really extreme bombs that Vallee has always liked to drop to further his own dynamic analysis.

 

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''I can not tell if it was a real entity or a simulation of a real entity....it presented in a secure facility with constructive interaction" that kept on going. And that "we can now engage in a controlled method of interaction"...this is Vallee on a fairly recent podcast confirming that there was human and non human communication taking place and that it was repeatable. And then he went on to talk about the young witness from a Trinity and their interaction with a non human intelligence. He's still holding to Trinity as real?!...and then he went on talk about time and then he basically explained that our senses just don't have the capacity to experience reality as it is. "I think it's dangerous and need to learn to cohabit with it and to communicate with it."

That's from Weaponized 12/24/2025

I don't know what's going on with ufology tbh. I think Curt Collins with his critique of how the UFO conundrum is being packaged to us through the media as something that is just about objects in the sky that the military is contending with very quietly is all we need to know. No real talk about occupants except in Dreamland areas and these really extreme bombs that Vallee has always liked to drop to further his own dynamic analysis.

I dunno. I'm inclined to think that some of the weird stuff was a sort of "proof of concept" testing in the wild by intelligence, be it disinfo campaigns and/or things that can mess with perception which may explain some of the high strange stuff. I think that's where Skinwalker comes in, maybe. Many of the cattle mutilation flaps were presumably operations by the military for covert monitoring programs. The brain injuries were attributed to UFOs says Gary Nolan. Carrion's theory behind the ghost rockets as a program to decrypt Soviet communications is plausible to me.

Some of it may be multidimensional creatures, but we can't really observe them as they really are, since we are critters who have evolved in a 3-dimensional reality. And that's where Greg Bishop's co-creation theory comes in. Or maybe these creatures are showing us where the "lock" is, so we know where to use the key when we figure it out or we evolve into a perceptual reality that is more than 3-dimensional.

I've experienced some strange stuff in my life. I've seen two UFOs and have had a time slip episode and maybe two. I had a couple of prophetic dreams when I was younger. We live in a strange world and I've been lucky enough to get glimpses behind the curtain.

I've been interested in these topics as an adult for the last 20 years or so off and on, but I don't feel like the needle has moved at all in a meaningful way.

I'll be sure and check out the episode you referenced sometime this week.

 

[Burnt State]

I'm inclined to think that some of the weird stuff was a sort of "proof of concept" testing in the wild by intelligence, be it disinfo campaigns and/or things that can mess with perception which may explain some of the high strange stuff

That's a distinct possibility. I'm sure there's a lot of human experimentation taking place that we are not aware of that messes with our perceptual capacities. However, if we think back to Mr. Fort and his early documenting of the weird it seems that it's been with us for a very long time, maybe since the beginning, if we consider the folktales and mythologies of our predecessors.

Many of the cattle mutilation flaps were presumably operations by the military for covert monitoring programs.

This I also agree with completely. However, there are also those weird one off cases, as reported by witnesses, where the stripping of the flesh happened in an instance, or the nature of the medical procedure appeared to be beyond our capacities.

Carrion's theory behind the ghost rockets as a program to decrypt Soviet communications is plausible to me.

It is also plausible up to an extent. Many of these ghost rockets were witnessed crashing into the ground or into lakes without any fires and no debris recovered, as if a ghost had crashed there. His concept is sound theoretically, but it doesn't always agree with what witnesses report.

What is real and plausible and human often mingles with the very bizarre and non-human.

and have had a time slip episode and maybe two.

Ok....that's worthy of a campfire tale. I am persistently amazed at the time slip stories people tell - easily my favourite paranormal type of tale. They are often rich with detail that highlights their believability, and are documented after the events to display totally different terrain i.e. the ghost bar the couple was in the night before is now a closed up and abandoned roadhouse diner the next day.

I don't feel like the needle has moved at all in a meaningful way.

It hasn't. It's beyond us. I doubt we will ever get much insight into these.

 

[Squiddly Diddly]

Oh, my first thought it was a disinfo campaign to cover up some shady stuff. I don't know if all those individuals were targeted or not, but I'm inclined that Nolan's conversation arose from incidental or targeted exposure to some classified tech.

I have always wondered if Nolan is a disinformation artist, John Burroughs said Nolan was part of Puthoffs gang when they took a DNA/blood sample from him.

 

[Burnt State]

I have always wondered if Nolan is a disinformation artist, John Burroughs said Nolan was part of Puthoffs gang when they took a DNA/blood sample from him.

I think it's worth separating researchers and scientists who have or have had access to govt. sponsored programs and the real Mirage Men like Doty. There is a long history of govt sponsored programs that are part of the paranormal universe from remote viewing to UFO's, but that doesn't necessarily mean their association with these programs makes them operatives.

It is through people like Puthoff, Vallee and Nolan that we get some insight into what is the real research that is taking place in these areas. Admittedly, some of the things reported by these figures are really hard to believe. A lot of what comes out of Vallee these days I find really difficult to fathom, and I'm a pretty big fan of his long term work in the field, minus Trinity.

Certainly one can see how working in these paranormal areas affects people in a number of strange ways. How could it not? Some do go wading out into the waters of the weird and don't come back the same as when they left.

I also reserve a lot of doubt for figures like Elizondo who have come originally from the other side of the dividing line between researcher and military. Imho, once an agent always an agent.

But it's a field littered with so much disinfo and B.S. that it makes it really hard to place trust in anyone.

 

[Red]

Ok....that's worthy of a campfire tale. I am persistently amazed at the time slip stories people tell - easily my favourite paranormal type of tale. They are often rich with detail that highlights their believability, and are documented after the events to display totally different terrain i.e. the ghost bar the couple was in the night before is now a closed up and abandoned roadhouse diner the next day.

Sorry to disappoint, but mine were far less interesting. Mine were travels that took me less time than it should have. The first time, I didn't even travel along a stretch of road I should have to get to my destination. Other people at least get things like missing time or places that should not exist in present time. So no ghost bars, but still weird enough to leave me scratching my head.

I think it's worth separating researchers and scientists who have or have had access to govt. sponsored programs and the real Mirage Men like Doty. There is a long history of govt sponsored programs that are part of the paranormal universe from remote viewing to UFO's, but that doesn't necessarily mean their association with these programs makes them operatives.

It is through people like Puthoff, Vallee and Nolan that we get some insight into what is the real research that is taking place in these areas. Admittedly, some of the things reported by these figures are really hard to believe. A lot of what comes out of Vallee these days I find really difficult to fathom, and I'm a pretty big fan of his long term work in the field, minus Trinity.

Yeah, but even with the scientists, we don't know how much they've been read into, or how honest the government is with them to begin with. I think it was Greg Bishop that said that Bill Moore was told that he was going be given a lot of information, with some of it being false, and it was up to Moore to figure out what was what.