Unpopular opinion, the case for non-disclosure…

[Paranormal bug a boo]

I’ve been following the UFO enigma since the early 1970s. As a young man, I was very naïve regarding the ramifications of first contact.
After a lifetime in this society and looking at our world as a whole. I am convinced that human society could not absorb the psychological impact of first contact, especially if they are already among us.
I see absolutely nothing that convinces me with any reasonable assurance that our society could acquiesce into a subordinate role to any capacity… it seems to me that many of the people who clammer the same people that support mass deportation and refused to learn a second language. These people seem ill equipped to be able to deal with an alien extraterrestrial presence.
I’ve written a short essay regarding this. I’ll try to attach it if anyone is interested AnyWho, that’s my two cents. Thanks for having the forum here. Take care.

 

[SkyKing]

I assume that by "mass deportation" you mean the deportation of people who are in the United States illegally. Are you stating that if you are in favor of deporting illegals AND you refused to learn a second language you would not be able to deal with the psychological impact of first contact?

What if you support the deportation of illegals but DID learn a second language? What if you're NOT in favor of deporting illegals, but never learned a second language? Then, by this criteria, you would be equipped to deal with an alien extraterrestrial presence.

Well, that doesn't make much sense. What does learning a second language or deporting criminals have to do with your ability to cope with intelligent life from another planet? What language should be taught to help people deal with the revelation of extraterrestrials?

 

[Trajanus]

After a lifetime in this society and looking at our world as a whole. I am convinced that human society could not absorb the psychological impact of first contact, especially if they are already among us.

That's the issue that familiarization is intended to rectify. It's precisely because of what you note that familiarization is a slow and very subtle process. It'll take decades more IMO.

I see absolutely nothing that convinces me with any reasonable assurance that our society could acquiesce into a subordinate role to any capacity…

Frankly I think that's happened already. As The Alien Grand Design states, in effect, there's been covert subordination since '47.

 

[JamesT]

I’ve been following the UFO enigma since the early 1970s. As a young man, I was very naïve regarding the ramifications of first contact.
After a lifetime in this society and looking at our world as a whole. I am convinced that human society could not absorb the psychological impact of first contact, especially if they are already among us.
I see absolutely nothing that convinces me with any reasonable assurance that our society could acquiesce into a subordinate role to any capacity… it seems to me that many of the people who clammer the same people that support mass deportation and refused to learn a second language. These people seem ill equipped to be able to deal with an alien extraterrestrial presence.
I’ve written a short essay regarding this. I’ll try to attach it if anyone is interested AnyWho, that’s my two cents. Thanks for having the forum here. Take care.

Hi - I too have “studied” this subject from around the 70’s myself - maybe “study” is not quite the word - perhaps more of a mildly interested observer with no particular horse in the race other than moving away from the “nuts & bolts” / Quinn Martin Productions “The Invaders” stance. Jaqcues Vallee was always more my sort of man to follow in his earlier days- then he came up with his last book “Trinity” along with a co-author who, to my mind, had long been discredited.
Anyway whatever is going on I sincerely believe that we’re all owed full disclosure of whatever our governments/military knows - even if it’s really not very much. We’re all grown ups - I think we can handle the “truth” even if it’s basically an acknowledgment it’s a case of Rumsfeld’s “unknown/unknowns” .. surely we can take it?

 

[Burnt State]

Hi - I too have “studied” this subject from around the 70’s myself - maybe “study” is not quite the word - perhaps more of a mildly interested observer with no particular horse in the race other than moving away from the “nuts & bolts” / Quinn Martin Productions “The Invaders” stance. Jaqcues Vallee was always more my sort of man to follow in his earlier days- then he came up with his last book “Trinity” along with a co-author who, to my mind, had long been discredited.
Anyway whatever is going on I sincerely believe that we’re all owed full disclosure of whatever our governments/military knows - even if it’s really not very much. We’re all grown ups - I think we can handle the “truth” even if it’s basically an acknowledgment it’s a case of Rumsfeld’s “unknown/unknowns” .. surely we can take it?

I like your definition of following The Subject as it really matches mine especially the Vallee points. I think Trinity just sit too well into his paradigm of interpretation but what a big mistake that was.

However, ar times I have gone while hog into the subject inside the context of working with other ufologists off the books and at the end of the day I'm still finding that Jerry Clark makes the most sense to me. We have no idea what it is and so we definitely can't start talking about its intentions.

The American Military Industrial Complex has always kept it really close to its chest. They have kept their own serious science around the phenomena off books for the last 75 years.

I think their lack of sharing with the masses amounts to more of a complete and utter lack of understanding as to the origins of the phenomena whose technology is way out of our league.

They seem to hold to the principle that if it's not a threat then there's not much to do about it. And if we can't explain it then there's no point in telling the public anything about it. Why create confusion? Let's just keep up the illusion of control.

Everyone who has followed ufology/ufoology for any significant amount of time should recognize that the gatekeepers who probably have some really mind blowing evidence are doing some shady versions of disclosure (Elizondo and his myth of being the leader of a UAP team) not for the benefit of the masses, but for other purposes altogether, as they always have.

 

[Randall]

That's the issue that familiarization is intended to rectify. It's precisely because of what you note that familiarization is a slow and very subtle process. It'll take decades more IMO.

I'm not so sure about that. We've been inundated with the alien theme to the point where many people are sick and tired of hearing about it. Not only are they familiar with it — they're demanding to see the real deal. The rest don't care anyway. Unless it causes them an inconvenience, it would be just another day at work, sort of like the movie District 9 . . .

 

[Paranormal bug a boo]

I assume that by "mass deportation" you mean the deportation of people who are in the United States illegally. Are you stating that if you are in favor of deporting illegals AND you refused to learn a second language you would not be able to deal with the psychological impact of first contact?

What if you support the deportation of illegals but DID learn a second language? What if you're NOT in favor of deporting illegals, but never learned a second language? Then, by this criteria, you would be equipped to deal with an alien extraterrestrial presence.

Well, that doesn't make much sense. What does learning a second language or deporting criminals have to do with your ability to cope with intelligent life from another planet? What language should be taught to help people deal with the revelation of extraterrestrials?

If extraterrestrial aliens come here to Earth uninvited, they are here illegally, are they not? No government is on record having invited them so for anyone to invite them they are breaking the law aren’t they? What attempts at communication have there been? Wild stories about telepathy excluded, how would you actually know how to communicate with these beings? I think that you have taken a political interpretation from my statement. I think also that you have revealed one of the reasons aliens, if they exist, would want nothing to do with humanity in its current form. Provincial, close minded, and of extremely limited intellect, prevents any kind of realistic interaction with advanced beings. Take for instance, the idea of gender fluidity, amongst a majority of Americans; they scoff at the idea and the weight of their argument is based on religious beliefs, and not scientific study. There are still people who believe that there is a firmament, impenetrable shield that separates heaven from earth. Religious fundamentalists who believe that the world is 8000 years old. How can anyone imagine that these people would acquiesce with this reality that we are discussing?

 

[Burnt State]

I always thought Christopher O'Brien was on the money when he asked why would aliens want anything to do with our war.mongering, anti-environmental, sexist, racist backwater planet. I may be adding an issue or two to his general statement, but it's in keeping with his sentiment.

As a species we've barely evolved from caveman territory: selfish, self,-aggrandizing, lying, greedy hateful and childish. And I'm not just referring to the current American president. We certainly don't provide the sophistication and appreciation of biological diversity for any advanced species to do much more than tell kids in Zimbabwe that technology is bad & look after your planet. We can't even do that much.

 

[SkyKing]

If extraterrestrial aliens come here to Earth uninvited, they are here illegally, are they not? No government is on record having invited them so for anyone to invite them they are breaking the law aren’t they? What attempts at communication have there been? Wild stories about telepathy excluded, how would you actually know how to communicate with these beings? I think that you have taken a political interpretation from my statement. I think also that you have revealed one of the reasons aliens, if they exist, would want nothing to do with humanity in its current form. Provincial, close minded, and of extremely limited intellect, prevents any kind of realistic interaction with advanced beings. Take for instance, the idea of gender fluidity, amongst a majority of Americans; they scoff at the idea and the weight of their argument is based on religious beliefs, and not scientific study. There are still people who believe that there is a firmament, impenetrable shield that separates heaven from earth. Religious fundamentalists who believe that the world is 8000 years old. How can anyone imagine that these people would acquiesce with this reality that we are discussing?

Yes, I did indeed take a political interpretation of your argument, but I didn't know you were lumping illegal aliens in with extraterrestrial aliens. It almost sounds like Bill Paxton's line from the movie "Aliens."

Of course there will be people who wouldn't be able to cope with the idea of extraterrestrials on the Earth. I would be a little freaked out myself, even after a lifetime of waiting for them to land. Everyone will react in some way, and in a few weeks it will be normal.

What I don't agree with is which people you think would be the ones who are most impacted in a negative way. The vast majority of people are not "gender fluid," and don't care one way or the other, but you write that they wouldn't be able to come to terms with the reality of Aliens, based on a "scientific study" they've never heard of. How did you determine that people who believe the world is 8000 years old couldn't cope with Alien visitors? We probably all believe something that's wrong. We seem to accept that there are monsters in the subway who stab little girls to death or set them on fire, would aliens be any worse?

You're lumping people you don't like into a group, and then predicting their reaction based on your opinion of them. As Glen Campbell (not the singer) once said, "Aliens or no aliens, you still have to get up and go to work in the morning."

 

[Burnt State]

"Aliens or no aliens, you still have to get up and go to work in the morning."

Unless you're retired! Then you've got lots of time to talk turkey with the aliens and see just how gender fluid they are and why they want to trade pancakes for a jug of water.

 

[Randall]

I always thought Christopher O'Brien was on the money when he asked why would aliens want anything to do with our war.mongering, anti-environmental, sexist, racist backwater planet. I may be adding an issue or two to his general statement, but it's in keeping with his sentiment.

As a species we've barely evolved from caveman territory: selfish, self,-aggrandizing, lying, greedy hateful and childish. And I'm not just referring to the current American president. We certainly don't provide the sophistication and appreciation of biological diversity for any advanced species to do much more than tell kids in Zimbabwe that technology is bad & look after your planet. We can't even do that much.

Well — certainly no disrespect to COB, but Chris' observations are more about the bad behavior of one species of wildlife ( us ) — than the "planet" itself. The Drake Equation suggests that the galaxy should be teaming with other civilizations, while the Fermi Paradox strongly suggests that Earth type planets are very rare. Taken together, while other civilizations seem to exist, they're not a dime a dozen, which makes planet Earth a prime piece of galactic real estate — well worth investigating and studying.

I think it's worth mentioning that Chris' sentiments there also reflect the sort of person he was — intelligent, creative, good at heart, much better IMO than what the aliens seem like ( mostly rather dispassionate — treating us like a science experiment ).

 

[Trajanus]

I'm not so sure about that. We've been inundated with the alien theme to the point where many people are sick and tired of hearing about it. Not only are they familiar with it

Of course they're familiar with the alien idea in sci fi but real ET ....right here...different issue. Fiction poses no theoretical threat to our safety or existing beliefs.

— they're demanding to see the real deal.

Some are but I doubt they would if they knew the full truth about what they want revealed. I once knew a MUFON State Section director who felt the effects of disclosure would be mild. I pointed out it's easy for those not privy to the full truth to assume that. Those with far greater knowledge evidently don't share his optimism.

 

[Tyger]

Well, lookie here .... Speaking of the devil .... [Not sure if this goes on this thread - I've looked and see no thread applicable]

Secretary of State Rubio Believes U.S. Recovered Alien Tech And Gave It To Private Military Contractors
“We are headed toward massive disclosure,” says a senior advisor to America’s top diplomat and Trump’s National Security Advisor
Michael Shellenberger - December 02, 2025

"It is significant that Rubio believes that elements within the US government have recovered technology from a nonhuman intelligence, reverse-engineered it, and let private military contractors take control of it in ways that could be undermining national security and result in a Pearl Harbor-like event. 'The real risk in transferring technology that is not useful to us today to a corporate entity over decades,' says Rubio, 'is that the corporate entity comes to basically possess and control access to it for their own purposes, not for the purposes of national security'.”

"Nick Pope, who investigated Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) for the UK Ministry of Defense, said, 'It’s hard to overstate the significance of [Rubio’s] statement. Rubio’s remarks are so forthright that one could speculate they’re officially-authorized prelude to Disclosure, to test the waters ahead of an official, Presidential announcement'.” Spidey senses out - What is this a deflection from?

Secretary of State Rubio Believes U.S. Recovered Alien Tech And Gave It To Private Military Contractors

“We are headed toward massive disclosure,” says a senior advisor to America’s top diplomat and Trump’s National Security Advisor

www.public.news

 

[Randall]

Of course they're familiar with the alien idea in sci fi but real ET ....right here...different issue.

In 2019, 73% of Americans said they believed in the existence of UFOs, while 33% said they believed in the existence of extraterrestrial beings. This indicates that a significant portion of the American population is open to the idea of alien visitation — and IMO most of the rest would either quickly adapt or just think it doesn't really matter.

Some are but I doubt they would if they knew the full truth about what they want revealed . . .

I don't think anybody knows "the full truth", and those who think they do are deluding themselves the same way that religious fanatics do. Even if the aliens openly revealed themselves and held a press conference — we still wouldn't know "the full truth". For that matter, most don't know "the full truth" about much of anything — but life goes on.

You've got me curious though — what do you think "the full truth" is about "what they want revealed"?
What do you base it on?

 

[Burnt State]

Well, lookie here .... Speaking of the devil .... [Not sure if this goes on this thread - I've looked and see no thread applicable]

Secretary of State Rubio Believes U.S. Recovered Alien Tech And Gave It To Private Military Contractors
“We are headed toward massive disclosure,” says a senior advisor to America’s top diplomat and Trump’s National Security Advisor
Michael Shellenberger - December 02, 2025

"It is significant that Rubio believes that elements within the US government have recovered technology from a nonhuman intelligence, reverse-engineered it, and let private military contractors take control of it in ways that could be undermining national security and result in a Pearl Harbor-like event. 'The real risk in transferring technology that is not useful to us today to a corporate entity over decades,' says Rubio, 'is that the corporate entity comes to basically possess and control access to it for their own purposes, not for the purposes of national security'.”

"Nick Pope, who investigated Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) for the UK Ministry of Defense, said, 'It’s hard to overstate the significance of [Rubio’s] statement. Rubio’s remarks are so forthright that one could speculate they’re officially-authorized prelude to Disclosure, to test the waters ahead of an official, Presidential announcement'.” Spidey senses out - What is this a deflection from?

Secretary of State Rubio Believes U.S. Recovered Alien Tech And Gave It To Private Military Contractors

“We are headed toward massive disclosure,” says a senior advisor to America’s top diplomat and Trump’s National Security Advisor

www.public.news

I'm not seeing a lot of quotes or proof regarding the reverse engineering of anything. If you remember Vallee felt everything shifted for him when as a young UFO pup, he found that military memorandum in Hynek's files regarding a classified project running parallel to Blue Book. He asked for that notice to be declassified so he could talk about it publicly. It clearly identified that nunhuman materials were sent to a private corporation for analysis. That story is really well over 50 years old now without any big revelations to follow.

And the most recent stuff we've seen regarding the testing of ultra materials from recovered tiny pieces of supposed non human tech showed unique isotopes that pointed to off world manufacturing, but that's all. It doesn't sound like there's a recovered craft floating in a hanger or even an alien tea cozy to look at.

There's certainly no big disclosure imminent event or any big leaps in manufacturing anything functional going on yet. If anything it's just the same old story, well aside from Pasulka's discussion around how these non human bits and pieces are affecting scientists. But again no real tangible developments there either.

 

[Tyger]

@Burnt State Far out, that 50 year old information could be a duplication chapter-and-verse of what is being suggested by this current article. NOTHING can be taken as gospel. NOTHING. Disappointing but 'there ya go.' It's fantasy start to finish. Always a deflection from 'something'.

 

[Burnt State]

In terms of real disclosure it would be nice if there was an alternative history where the US military didn't dominate the discussion and keep all the juicy tidbits to themselves while simultaneously discrediting the entire discussion.

Canada has been fairly open with their findings as have been some other countries, i e.France, but it doesn't seem like we are holding any ultra materials. At least Chris Rutkowski hasn't mentioned anything like that at all in the entire history of the UFO national reporting he's been doing for decades.

I think the only stuff in the backrooms of the big labs are tiny ejected bits of matter like the ones Vallee secured back in the 70's.

And yes, there is absolutely nothing you can trust coming out of the mouthpieces from govt except for maybe Senator Harry Reed who says that all the good evidence is still.beimg held back. And that was his response to the question as to whether or not the infamous film from 1957 of a craft landing at Edwards Air Force base was still in their hands. It's always carrots being dangled in front of us.

In that way there's a lot to suspect in terms of persistent manipulation of the UFO narrative for their own clandestine purposes, hence The X-Files.

 

[Tyger]

And yes, there is absolutely nothing you can trust coming out of the mouthpieces from govt except for maybe Senator Harry Reed who says that all the good evidence is still.beimg held back.

Well, Senator Harry Reed is dead and gone and I wouldn't trust anything he had to say anyway. Part of pushing the narrative imo.

 

[Burnt State]

Well, Senator Harry Reed is dead and gone and I wouldn't trust anything he had to say anyway. Part of pushing the narrative imo.

Wasn't he one of the only officials who actually wanted to advance the discussion helped to fund investigations into the phenomena and was actually friendly to ufologists....

 

[Tyger]

Wasn't he one of the only officials who actually wanted to advance the discussion helped to fund investigations into the phenomena and was actually friendly to ufologists....

Yes you are right. My cynicism comes into play in these areas.

Am listening to an interview with Joe Rogan by Jesse Michels - what a great rabbit hole - what fun!

Published November 30, 2025: [Video Running Time 3:06:16] American Alchemist
Absolutely mind-blowing interview with my friend, the legend Joe Rogan. We discuss Alien Contact and what that might look like in the not-too-far future, UFO secrecy and crash retrieval programs and new transparency around both, the AI/Quantum “apocalypse”, advanced ancient civilizations that may have been destroyed in a cataclysm with the Younger Dryas Impact (but with possible remnants under our oceans ), the truth about what’s buried under the pyramids, the facts around Epstein and what actually happened with JFK’s assasination. Basically, we cover every fucking crazy “conspiracy” under the sun -- and show that many of them are in fact much more than your tin-foil hat fabrications. Joe does all of it with a level of rigor yet lightness and humor that only he can pull off and that make his show, JRE, the highest inspiration for me and so many coming up in independent media and podcasting. Finally, Joe gets real about a dream he had that he describes as the “most fucking vivid dream” he’s ever had involving what felt like “humans from the future”. Shit got wild. This was absolutely surreal. Thank you, Joe!!

TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
02:26 Joe's Dream
13:50 Search For Truth
19:32 Ads
22:46 Age of Disclosure
35:25 Technology and Consciousness
52:25 The Pyramids
59:37 Myths
1:02:54 Genetics
1:15:14 The Stoned Ape Theory
1:25:37 DMT
1:37:35 The Moon Landing
1:57:34 Ancient Civilizations
2:07:06 Pyramids and Stargates
2:13:20 The Collapse of Educational Institutions
2:22:55 The Epstein Conspiracy
2:32:56 Watergate and JFK
2:42:14 The Nature of Reality and AI
2:51:14 The Future of Humanity
2:54:39 Religion
2:59:14 Human Consciousness
3:04:45 Outro