UFO Abductions Updated!

[Gene Steinberg]

So it's been a while since we've talked about UFO abductions, and it appears they aren't happening near as often as they used to.

Since Randall has raised the subject, I decided to open a new thread on the subject. Le's see where it goes.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

Actually a big part of that would be acceptable for discussion if we steer clear of a certain subject, OK?

But then if ET wanted to take us out, there'd be less grisly ways to do it, or just wait for us to take ourselves out, which may be coming true.

 

[Randall]

Actually a big part of that would be acceptable for discussion if we steer clear of a certain subject, OK?

But then if ET wanted to take us out, there'd be less grisly ways to do it, or just wait for us to take ourselves out, which may be coming true.

Agreed — The alien agenda isn't to "take us out", or they could have done that a long time ago. Like Kevin Randle says, all they'd have to do is nudge a few asteroids out of orbit and head them toward Earth. Instead, it seems more like we're an ongoing experiment, and what better way to experiment with viruses and other bioweapons than on an isolated planet out on the rim of the galaxy? It also explains why they physically abduct humans. They need physical samples to study.

 

[Randall]

The 1992 Long Island UFO Abduction:​

 

[Trajanus]

Instead, it seems more like we're an ongoing experiment, and what better way to experiment with viruses and other bioweapons than on an isolated planet out on the rim of the galaxy? It also explains why they physically abduct humans. They need physical samples to study.

I don't think their real purpose is study. Many cases make it appear that way but they're deceptive. The real purpose is gradual familiarization.
If ET just wanted to study us he could do it without any of us even knowing he is here.

 

[Burnt State]

I've always thought the numerous cases of little characters in white suits gathering soil samples and the use of medieval medical experiments as reported by abductees to be pure misdirection. Certainly any space fairing civilization could use technology invisible to us to find out whatever they want. There's no need to mutilate cattle, collect bio samples in silver jars, procure our sperm with suction pumps, anal probe us or any of that jazz. It's all quite ridiculous.

That being said, what's the point of all this theatre? There certainly seems to be a concerted effort to make us feel like we are someone else's property (Fort). Still, cases like Pascagoula and Cisco Grove really make you scratch your head and wonder what the heckin' is going on here?!



I think we are left with two specific considerations:

Maybe the Fermi paradox is wrong and life is not that entirely abundant in the universe and, as Christopher O'Brien often mused, perhaps earth is a rare piece of biological abundance that makes studying us quite desirable, hence the various versions of E.T. that are seen visiting us in spaceships. Could be interdimensional or folding space time - whatever, and maybe their crude collecting skills is just about expedience and leaving things up to robots to complete their tasks. Nanobots makes more sense to me but whatever....that's the way it looks doesn't it?

The other consideration, also an oft repeated O'Brien musing, this phenomenon is very earth bound and is something that exists parallel to our own reality - that's why we call it paranormal.

This then leads to the next set of divergent paths: Vallee vs. Clark vs. Keel etc....Keel was a demonologist and there's a lot of folk who buy into that, and Vallee's control system leads to Pasulka's notion of an agent steering the culture of humanity through its control system, and then there's Clark who says there's no proof of any of that and all we have are cases with evidence that is very suggestive of 'aliens' and we have experience anomalies that are neither part of the concrete world nor the imaginary but lies somewhere in-between - a both/and situation that we simply don't have the language to understand.

Weird stuff happens all the time. We may be just categorizing it into our own mythology across time that we call god, airships, flying saucers, ET, monsters etc. when in fact it's something simply outside our biological capacity to perceive properly let alone understand.

Some say we need to learn to ask better questions and stop trying to put the round UFO peg into the square hole of humanity. I doubt we even have that capacity.

Meanwhile, I'll just keep listening to Bigfoot witness stories....

 

[Randall]

I don't think their real purpose is study. Many cases make it appear that way but they're deceptive. The real purpose is gradual familiarization.
If ET just wanted to study us he could do it without any of us even knowing he is here.

But wouldn't the result of a "gradual familiarization" program necessitate an ongoing analysis of our reaction to them in order to measure their progress? Looked at it that way, "Gradual Familiarization" is just the name of that particular study. So it's not like either of us here is "wrong". There certainly are cases where there is no other rational explanation for revealing themselves to us other than to gauge our reactions — knowing full well that they are also desensitizing us to them on a societal level.

 

[Randall]

I've always thought the numerous cases of little characters in white suits gathering soil samples and the use of medieval medical experiments as reported by abductees to be pure misdirection. Certainly any space fairing civilization could use technology invisible to us to find out whatever they want. There's no need to mutilate cattle, collect bio samples in silver jars, procure our sperm with suction pumps, anal probe us or any of that jazz. It's all quite ridiculous.

That being said, what's the point of all this theatre? There certainly seems to be a concerted effort to make us feel like we are someone else's property (Fort). Still, cases like Pascagoula and Cisco Grove really make you scratch your head and wonder what the heckin' is going on here?!



I think we are left with two specific considerations:

Maybe the Fermi paradox is wrong and life is not that entirely abundant in the universe and, as Christopher O'Brien often mused, perhaps earth is a rare piece of biological abundance that makes studying us quite desirable, hence the various versions of E.T. that are seen visiting us in spaceships. Could be interdimensional or folding space time - whatever, and maybe their crude collecting skills is just about expedience and leaving things up to robots to complete their tasks. Nanobots makes more sense to me but whatever....that's the way it looks doesn't it?

The other consideration, also an oft repeated O'Brien musing, this phenomenon is very earth bound and is something that exists parallel to our own reality - that's why we call it paranormal.

This then leads to the next set of divergent paths: Vallee vs. Clark vs. Keel etc....Keel was a demonologist and there's a lot of folk who buy into that, and Vallee's control system leads to Pasulka's notion of an agent steering the culture of humanity through its control system, and then there's Clark who says there's no proof of any of that and all we have are cases with evidence that is very suggestive of 'aliens' and we have experience anomalies that are neither part of the concrete world nor the imaginary but lies somewhere in-between - a both/and situation that we simply don't have the language to understand.

Weird stuff happens all the time. We may be just categorizing it into our own mythology across time that we call god, airships, flying saucers, ET, monsters etc. when in fact it's something simply outside our biological capacity to perceive properly let alone understand.

Some say we need to learn to ask better questions and stop trying to put the round UFO peg into the square hole of humanity. I doubt we even have that capacity.

Meanwhile, I'll just keep listening to Bigfoot witness stories....

I'm not so sure it's wise to draw such generalized conclusions. Maybe they ( whoever "they" are ), does need physical samples in order to perform their analysis. Maybe our biology is as alien to them as theirs is to us. Maybe some of our tech is more advanced than theirs, and their one trump card is their advanced propulsion system — which they just stumbled on by accident.

Maybe there's more than one alien race involved, and some of them are more advanced than each other — some of them capable of what you suggest, while others aren't. The fact is that we just don't know. About all that we can be reasonably sure about, is that something alien has been poking around our planet, and its pattern of behavior is the study of our planet — and it seems that to them, we're just another part of the wildlife.

One thing I do agree with you on though is the theatrical nature of some encounters ( nice graphic there ). My suspicion is that assuming the accounts are accurate, it is being done on purpose as part of their studies. As @Trajanus suggests — that study could be part of a gradual familiarization of our culture to them, using implements that we identify with — like the way we might give a crow a stick and some rocks to study how it reacts to that when faced with a particular problem, but this one takes it to a whole new level . . .

Then again, maybe it's not so much to study us as it is to get views on whatever the alien's version of YouTube is

 

[Trajanus]

But wouldn't the result of a "gradual familiarization" program necessitate an ongoing analysis of our reaction to them in order to measure their progress?

I think they're advanced enough to know how we, or many specific individuals, would react. I've long thought that ETs select people who are credible and at the same time least likely to "freak out" when encountering UFOs and alien entities. The idea is to advance familiarization of society (not just experiencers) via their reports. They can't do this with everybody, or even most people at first, certainly not when familiarization is at a preliminary/intermediate stage.

 

[Trajanus]

I'm not so sure it's wise to draw such generalized conclusions. Maybe they ( whoever "they" are ), does need physical samples in order to perform their analysis. Maybe our biology is as alien to them as theirs is to us.

I doubt it. Even if they need samples they wouldn't have to reveal their presence, or make their ET nature obvious.

Maybe some of our tech is more advanced than theirs, and their one trump card is their advanced propulsion system — which they just stumbled on by accident.

Dubious. While they occasionally appear with technology as primitive as ours or more so, that's likely just a facade.

As @Trajanus suggests — that study could be part of a gradual familiarization of our culture to them, using implements that we identify with

Familiarization is the real purpose. They show us things we can recognize. One work, The Alien Grand Design, gave two reasons for that. One is they want us to conclude they represent a civilization, not something religious or really bizarre. Invariably using their real, current technology would give people the impression they're religious figures performing "miracles." The point of familiarization is to get us accustomed to what they are (what we'll be at some future date).

 

[Randall]

Familiarization is the real purpose . . .

It seems reasonable enough to believe that familiarization is one real purpose — just not the only one, and not necessarily the one behind every incident. Besides — as soon as we ( in general ) start assuming that we have the answer, the phenomenon ( or something else ) does something to throw a wrench into it. Remember once upon a time when the aliens were all Venusians ?

 

[Trajanus]

It seems reasonable enough to believe that familiarization is one real purpose — just not the only one, and not necessarily the one behind every incident.

Oh of course not. ET/UFO appearances have two other important objectives.

Besides — as soon as we ( in general ) start assuming that we have the answer, the phenomenon ( or something else ) does something to throw a wrench into it.

The phenomenon is slowly familiarizing us with the reality and presence of alien visitors. But it doesn't want us to be certain of this yet.
To prevent it, they deliberately sow some doubt about their nature and even assist the skeptical viewpoint at times.
For reasons explained in the aforementioned work, familiarization is a very slow process. There must be no definitive resolution of the enigma yet, as premature, open acknowledgment of ET would have highly adverse effects.

 

[Randall]

Oh of course not. ET/UFO appearances have two other important objectives . . .

Ya — it's fairly safe to assume that "objectives" are part of any intentional action by any half-ways intelligent species, and that in each and every case, some degree of study is required attain them. So maybe moving away from the more general idea of "study" to the more specific idea of "objectives" would help to clarify the issue.

If we go in that direction, then "objectives" such as "familiarization" imply being part of a bigger picture — why bother? If it's just simple curiosity, then we're back to their involvement being for the sake of study ( the acquisition of knowledge ) rather than any other "objective". So what other "objective" might there be that could be considered reasonable?

Things for which we'd matter in the bigger picture might be to takeover of the planet — turning us into subjects? Hybridization? Something else? If we're not an integral part of their "objective" — they could just proceed without considering humans, the way that we'd build a freeway through a forest without considering the ant colonies.

Unless of course they need to do an "Environmental Assessment" before getting permission from the Galactic Transport Bureau

 

[Trajanus]

If we go in that direction, then "objectives" such as "familiarization" imply being part of a bigger picture — why bother? If it's just simple curiosity, then we're back to their involvement being for the sake of study ( the acquisition of knowledge ) rather than any other "objective". So what other "objective" might there be that could be considered reasonable?

It's a long story. Familiarization is essential for eventual open contact involving rational interaction. But not entirely pacific.

Things for which we'd matter in the bigger picture might be to takeover of the planet — turning us into subjects? Hybridization? Something else?

Not a bona fide takeover but to ensure a future Earth regime is "tied" to the ETs, for the sake of lasting peace.

If we're not an integral part of their "objective"

Of course we are; the whole phenomenon consists of just shows intended to condition us in various ways. That is, in preparation for the "end game" or fulfillment of the ET plan.

 

[Randall]

. . . the whole phenomenon consists of just shows intended to condition us in various ways. That is, in preparation for the "end game" or fulfillment of the ET plan.

Maybe the "shows" have less to do with "conditioning" humans, and more to do with learning how we react to their presence, like testing our defenses by buzzing military bases. Maybe they have no "plan" at all and they're just following some standard "procedures" for studying the wildlife — and we're just part of the wildlife.

I mean really — we're just guessing based on how we might behave. Their minds might be so alien relative to ours that we have no way to identify with them. Or maybe you're right and it is all some sort of grooming exercise — like the Vorlons and Shadows in Babylon 5, or Q in Start Trek, or the Overlords in Childhood's End.

 

[Richard Hawkins]

Maybe the "shows" have less to do with "conditioning" humans, and more to do with learning how we react to their presence, like testing our defenses by buzzing military bases. Maybe they have no "plan" at all and they're just following some standard "procedures" for studying the wildlife — and we're just part of the wildlife.

I mean really — we're just guessing based on how we might behave. Their minds might be so alien relative to ours that we have no way to identify with them. Or maybe you're right and it is all some sort of grooming exercise — like the Vorlons and Shadows in Babylon 5, or Q in Start Trek, or the Overlords in Childhood's End.

Yea it's ok Randall just agree he has serious mental health issues.

 

[Randall]

Maybe

Yea it's ok Randall just agree he has serious mental health issues.

Maybe we should all try therapy

 

[henris42]

Oh wow, there is life in this forum...

 

[Randall]

Oh wow, there is life in this forum...

Life? Hmm, not sure — I'm having trouble finding my pulse.
Does anyone else sometimes wonder if they're living in an alternate dimension?

 

[Trajanus]

Maybe the "shows" have less to do with "conditioning" humans, and more to do with learning how we react to their presence, like testing our defenses by buzzing military bases.

I think they already have--in some cases for a long time--all the basic data, including the psychology of those chosen to be witnesses. As the aforementioned work argues, witnesses tend to be credible people. The idea is to help increase acceptance of the alien reality or presence (even if it's far from proven, to laymen, yet).

Maybe they have no "plan" at all and they're just following some standard "procedures" for studying the wildlife — and we're just part of the wildlife.

In some cases like abductions, and in others where ETs are seen collecting rocks etc, study seems to be the purpose. But that's misleading. Even in those cases ETs show themselves to witnesses when this could be avoided. Familiarization is the real goal.

I mean really — we're just guessing based on how we might behave. Their minds might be so alien relative to ours that we have no way to identify with them.

But there have been many reports of communication. It's not surprising that's possible; to my knowledge, researchers wouldn't consider a planet habitable unless its conditions resemble Earth's. That certainly suggests a similar evolutionary outcome and development. ETs definitely appear to represent a civilization, which is based on rationality.