Turkey UFO Case & Videos- New Information - The Debate Continues

[Skymon876]

The Barking Dog

 

[Skymon876]

I would like to hear what people have to say. Don't be shy.

 

[manxman]

The dog barking vid is hard to reconcile as a cruise ship.

 

[Skymon876]

My whole intention from the beginning is to simply get a conversation going about this. No matter what it is, I think it is a good case for the UFO field to bit its chops on and see were it ends up.

 

[Double Nought Spy]

As Burnt State asked a couple of weeks ago, no one has a tripod? No one can borrow one? What about a telescope? Nobody knows someone with a boat? I don't get it.

 

[Tyger]

I like the quote from one of the posters: "And this is all the same guy filming? Makes me want to quote Sinatra: "How lucky can one man be?" "

Mountains are identified as being in the distance. The lights are on the mountain. Supposition that we are seeing a house from on that mountain or people there with lights.

My initial 'take' was the deck of a large ship seen from slightly below upward.

Questions about the Turkey video:Why doesn't the unidentified object fly? Only the camera moves while the object is stationary.

Yes, and your questions about a tripod are relevant. With this level of regularity, why isn't there a tripod at the ready?

How is it possible that what is generally considered the rarest event on earth - documenting a UFO (with apparent aliens at the helm), has been able to be documented in succession with what could only be described as an alarming frequency?

Exactly so. There should also be reams of video of this from multiple sources. There isn't.

Doesn't this point to a more mundane object than what should be called the greatest mystery on earth, bringing scientists in droves to the Turksh shores?

Yep.

If this is an object floating in space, why does the bottom of the object appear to be sliced off, as if it is masked or being blocked from view somehow, and does not contain the same image value and edge distortions that the top of the object does?

Because it's the top of a much larger object, like a ship, or a building of some sort on the far shore, obscured by trees maybe.

Some ideas.

I do not find the videos persuasive of anything. Quite the reverse. We'd have to go to the location to really suss out the situation but my bet is on a very mundane explanation.

 

[Tyger]

As Burnt State asked a couple of weeks ago, no one has a tripod? No one can borrow one? What about a telescope? Nobody knows someone with a boat? I don't get it.

Yep! Important questions.

The answers are embedded in the questions: these are lights and a reflection phenomenon seen nightly. They know what it is. No investigation necessary.

 

[Tyger]

The Barking Dog

Juxtaposition of image and sound in a video does not mean cause and effect. The dog could be barking for any number of reasons. It's not persuasive.

 

[Skymon876]

1. The distance across Marmara is 27 miles at it's closest. The lens does not reach that far. If these were simply lights across the water on a mountain than it would be a nightly occasion. They are not. He films in the same direction several more times and no lights are seen. Were did the mountain go?

So far nobody has produced pictures of the alleged mountain lights, its mythical.

2. They used a tripod on several occasions but on some occasions they didn't. Considering how much video he took and the difficulty of getting a steady shot I think he did pretty fair.

 

[Burnt State]

From a videogapher's perspective it's far from fair. If I'm shooting history, and doing it iver and over again then I'm bringing gear appropriate for the camera. Who brings this nice camera out without a tripod. Given the specs on the cam, surely the shooter has a nice manfrotto set of sticks to mount that camera properly?

Ok, so how about this theory?

 

[Skymon876]

This is my rebuttal to the cruise ship theory

Turkey UFO Incident: Was The Turkey UFO a Cruise Ship? Not Likely And Here Is Why

 

[Burnt State]

This is my rebuttal to the cruise ship theory

Turkey UFO Incident: Was The Turkey UFO a Cruise Ship? Not Likely And Here Is Why

Unfortunately, I find the detailed math in this discussion about as relevant as the detailed discussion around the type of camera used to capture this imagery. In both cases there's no tripod. How can there possibly be any relevant measurements taken of dim objects on a video frame? This is one of those examples, like Horn and Meier or the validation of the Brooklyn bridge abduction, where way too much effort is being put in to confirm what is ultimately shaky evidence at best. If in fact these three cases had some validity to them then they would not require such detailed apologists to work on convincing the masses of their merits. The evidence would in fact have validated the original notion of 'alien' craft here on earth long ago. But it hasn't.

Whether or not 'aliens' have ever landed on earth, or been in near earth orbit, seems to still be a very debatable discussion.

 

[Tyger]

Unfortunately, I find the detailed math in this discussion about as relevant as the detailed discussion around the type of camera used to capture this imagery. In both cases there's no tripod. How can there possibly be any relevant measurements taken of dim objects on a video frame? This is one of those examples, like Horn and Meijer or the validation of the Brooklyn bridge abduction, where way too much effort is being put in to confirm what is ultimately shaky evidence at best. If in fact these three cases had some validity to them then they would not require such detailed apologists to work on convincing the masses of their merits. The evidence would in fact have validated the original notion of 'alien' craft here on earth long ago. But it hasn't.

Whether or not 'aliens' have ever landed on earth, or been in near earth orbit, seems to still be a very debatable discussion.

No tripod for hours of filming.

A good summation, Burnt State.

 

[manxman]

Burnt may be right about alien life either visiting or not, but to me its beyond any doubt that alien technology has passed thru this way, manned or not.

 

[Skymon876]

Yes some of the video is shaky I hand you that. To me the more perfect the video the more suspect it is of being faked.

But shakiness is a problem that is why I created an archive of over 650 single frame JPEG slides of the video so that you can study the objects without having to sift through the volumes of film. JPEG single frames

https://flic.kr/p/104252996%40N06%2Fsets

He used a tripod on some occasions and on others he did not.

 

[Burnt State]

Burnt may be right about alien life either visiting or not, but to me its beyond any doubt that alien technology has passed thru this way, manned or not.

I think that the odds are in favour of the visiting tech, before life forms, though I'm always baffled by the following: why is it that video/photo evidence is always so lacking or indeterminate at best, but the personal narratives of seeing actual beings are so damn compelling? Is the phenomenon just something that is more psychological than material I often wonder. Perhaps it's a bit of both in the way that it appears to interact with our senses and our radar in weird ways.

However this case does not make me very convinced at all of anything except that mundane objects can be photographed many times over and this can be used to argue for historical Ufological significance. I put the Turkey video, Meier, Greer, alien implants and most of what Jacobs and Hopkins have to say all in the same modern era UFO swamp gas basket of disbelief.

 

[Constance]

Yes some of the video is shaky I hand you that. To me the more perfect the video the more suspect it is of being faked.

But shakiness is a problem that is why I created an archive of over 650 single frame JPEG slides of the video so that you can study the objects without having to sift through the volumes of film. JPEG single frames

https://flic.kr/p/104252996%40N06%2Fsets

He used a tripod on some occasions and on others he did not.

I haven't followed this series of sightings and videos but I know some researchers who have and who find the case impressive. I'd like to commend you on the thoroughness and organization of your research and thank you for sharing it here.

 

[Rizla]

"Burnt may be right about alien life either visiting or not, but to me its beyond any doubt that alien technology has passed thru this way, manned or not."

I hope you're right, Sir Manx. We should be so lucky!

 

[kanakaris]

The Barking Dog

Do we know what the guy is saying in this clip ?

 

[Stagger Lee]

I think that the odds are in favour of the visiting tech, before life forms, though I'm always baffled by the following: why is it that video/photo evidence is always so lacking or indeterminate at best, but the personal narratives of seeing actual beings are so damn compelling? Is the phenomenon just something that is more psychological than material I often wonder. Perhaps it's a bit of both in the way that it appears to interact with our senses and our radar in weird ways.

However this case does not make me very convinced at all of anything except that mundane objects can be photographed many times over and this can be used to argue for historical Ufological significance. I put the Turkey video, Meier, Greer, alien implants and most of what Jacobs and Hopkins have to say all in the same modern era UFO swamp gas basket of disbelief.

I'm not sure I agree, comparing Meier to Hopkins' work. What with Meier, and the close up of the felled carpenter pin resting on a layer of wedding cake.. I think Hopkins "believed" in his work, and did not look to hoax. I'm still on the fence with the Cortile stuff- and really not sure how a housewife could have pulled the wool over his eyes creating multiple high profile witnesses. Though to be fair, I thought at least one, or the family member of one witness would have come forward by now.