June 21, 2015 — Kathleen Marden

[mike]

If it was happening in our physical space and our DNA was being manipulated then I would expect we would all know about it about by now, as seen on the order of our own noses turning into glow in the dark pig snouts.

Only if they were manipulating our DNA to express that result.

A group of researchers working at the Human Genome Project will be announcing soon that they made an astonishing scientific discovery: They believe so-called non-coding sequences (97%) in human DNA is no less than genetic code of an unknown extraterrestrial life form.
The non-coding sequences are common to all living organisms on Earth, from molds to fish to humans. In human DNA, they constitute larger part of the total genome, says Prof. Sam Chang, the group leader. Non-coding sequences, also known as “junk DNA”, were discovered years ago, and their function remains mystery. Unlike normal genes, which carry the information that intracellular machinery uses to synthesize proteins, enzymes and other chemicals produced by our bodies, non-coding sequences are never used for any purpose. They are never expressed, meaning that the information they carry is never read, no substance is synthesized and they have no function at all. We exist on only 3% of our DNA. The junk genes merely enjoy the ride with hard working active genes, passed from generation to generation. What are they? How come these idle genes are in our genome? Those were the question many scientists posed and failed to answer – until the breakthrough discovery by Prof. Sam Chang and his group.
Trying to understand the origins and meaning of junk DNA Prof. Chang realized that he first needs a definition of “junk”. Is junk DNA really junk, (useless and meaningless) or it contains some information not claimed by the rest of DNA for whatever reason? He once mentioned the question to an acquaintance, Dr. Lipshutz, a young theoretical physicist turned Wall Street derivative securities specialist. “Easy,” replied Lipshutz. “We’ll run your sequence through the software I use to analyze market data, and it will show if your sequences are total garbage, “white noise”, or there is a message in there.” This new breed of analysts with strong background in math, physics and statistics are getting more and more popular with Wall Street firms. They sift through gigabytes of market statistics, trying to uncover useful correlation between the various market indexes, and individual stocks.
Working evenings and weekends, Lipshutz managed to show that non-coding sequences are not all junk, they carry information. Combining massive database of the Human Genome Project with thousands of data files developed by geneticists all over the world Lipshutz calculated Kolmogorov entropy of the non-coding sequences and compared it with the entropy of regular, active genes. Kolmogorov entropy, introduced by the famous Russian mathematician half a century ago, was successfully used to quantify the level of randomness in various sequences, from time sequences of noise in radio lamps to sequences of letters in 19th century Russian poetry. By and large, the technique allows researchers to quantitatively compare various sequences and conclude which one carries more information than the other does. “To my surprise, the entropy of coding and non-coding DNA sequences was not that different”, continues Lipshutz. “There was noise in both but it was no junk at all. If the market data were that orderly, I would have already retired.”
After a year of cooperation with Lipshutz, Chang was convinced, there is a hidden information in junk DNA. However, how could one understand its meaning if the information is never used

Now i dont know about the veracity of this claim, but we do have a lot of "junk DNA"

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01288.html

 

[mike]

And of course if our DNA was being manipulated to uplift us from the existing simian stock then we would be seeing just that result in the mirror

So yes if they had manipulated our DNA to express glowing noses we would be seeing that.

But by the same logic if they had manipulated our DNA to express the FOXP2 gene, we would be seeing that too........

Two amino acid substitutions distinguish the human FOXP2 protein from that found in chimpanzees,[15] but only one of these two changes is unique to humans.[11

 

[Burnt State]

is there any difference in subtle manipulations in DNA vs. evolution? have any of our manipulations of DNA been subtle - sure some plant products may look the same but taste very differently, but the animals we've messed with appear a little more visibly altered do they not? if there was any actual manipulation of ourselves we would be seeing that in our own genetic studies which are quite thorough the world over and they would be as obvious as our noses becoming glow in the dark snouts. i don't think there's much evidence of work on that level at all.

much of this dialogue is a capitulation to speculation. first i would want evidence of aliens working with our bodies beyond the stories that are told or the scoop marks from decades ago suddenly causing recall. let's see the x-rays of people whose arms and legs were removed and reattached. i'm not saying there aren't compelling stories which are worth examination of the witnesses for their own merits but there just is no real evidence of alien abduction per se, at least not on the grand scale often spoken about. too much of this discussion relies on filling in the outlines of colouring pages that are not even in the book we were given to start with. in this way we create the myth ourselves instead of looking more directly at the primary pieces.

there are a number of people who share similar stories of AAS. what do they have in common? why do they tell the stories they do? what evidence of their stories actually happening exists? do we see this evidence repeat in other experiencers? have there been any scientific studies competed about people who have AAS beyond the minor sociological forays we have seen to date?

 

[mike]

I guess the point im making is you cant use the absence of evidence is evidence of absence argument in regards to DNA to write off the AP.

If they were manipulating our DNA to express a trait of glow in the dark noses, then yes we would see glow in the dark noses.
We dont, but this isnt proof our DNA is not being manipulated, only that its not being manipulated to express the rudolph trait.

But i can use the same logic to make a counter claim. If our DNA were being manipulated to express a facility for language then the FOXP2 gene could be that DNA marker.

We know this can be induced via medling since

Insertion of both human mutations into mice, whose version of FOXP2 otherwise differs from the human and chimpanzee versions in only one additional base pair, causes changes in vocalizations as well as other behavioral changes

Indeed one could make the case that since DNA is so universal, that since we share so many traits with the other bioforms here including a 98 percent match with chimps, that this particular mutation, unique to a single species that being us might indeed be that marker that illustrates DNA manipulation.

A mutation unique to us that creates a capacity for language.

Now it could just be a natural evolutionary mutation, its certainly a recent one

The FOXP2 gene showed indications of recent positive selection.[40][47] Some researchers have speculated that positive selection is crucial for the evolution of language in humans

We can speculate on both sides of the coin here, But neither can we use this data to make a case for or against the AP and the associated DNA manipulation thats part of the AP narrative.

But certainly if one were to make a case ET gave us language the unique expressions of the FOXP2 gene in humans, might be just such a DNA marker.

We know we can hybridise mice and insert the human mutations into them. but put those hybrids in a cage with normal mice and i doubt many would spot a difference

 

[mike]

The focused DNA profiling technique we used in the Khoury case goes to the very heart of one of the key claims behind the theorized abduction program: alien/human hybridization. It provides an opportunity for testing the credibility of the claim that aliens are creating hybrids composed of both alien and human genetic material. If such claims are true, there should be some compatibility in the DNA of alleged alien specimens, but some anomalies not readily reconciled with known human DNA variability should also be in evidence. Indeed, our original analysis confirmed the alien hair came from someone who was biologically close to normal human genetics, but of a highly unusual racial type.

Together, two distinct phases of DNA analyses undertaken on the hair sample recovered from Khoury’s bizarre experience provide a striking array of genetic findings. They appear to evince advanced DNA techniques and anomalies of the sort we are only now discovering, or starting to make sense of, in mainstream biotechnology.

The blonde alien hair revealed an extraordinary anomaly. Depending on whether we analyzed the hard hair shaft or the soft root, its mitochondrial DNA appeared to be of two different kinds. From the lower hair shaft we again obtained a rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA substitution. But from soft root tissue, we obtained a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.

This in itself was a stunning result. The testing methodology meant that prosaic explanations such as contamina-tion or laboratory error were ruled out. In any normal human DNA, we should obtain consistent DNA irrespective of where the sample comes from, be it hair, blood, or other tissue. The biochemists could not explain this strange anomaly. There was no evidence of a somewhat rare DNA phenomenon called heteroplasmy (where two different mitochondrial DNAs rarely appear within the same sample, usually a result of coexistence of mutant mitochondrial and “wild type” DNA molecules within a cell or tissue). Heteroplasmy, which is more readily found in human hair than other parts of the body, refers to single base transitions in the mitochondrial DNA. For example, G to A, or C to T. They are not big changes. Environmental exposure and aging can be factors. A research article in Nature Biotechnology in 2000 that described cutting edge hybrid cloning techniques to treat hair loss provided a clue. We may have encountered evidence of an extraordinary alien analogue of these techniques in Khoury’s encounter. Perhaps even more controversially, we also have findings of nuclear DNA suggestive of possible viral resistance to HIV-AIDS for example – referred to as the CCR5 deletion factor. The implications are startling because less than 1 % of the population has this deleted CCR5 factor, which makes the already unusual hair sample even more provocative. And the CCR5 mutation occurred only about 5,000 years ago, further adding to the intrigue. Still, I must note that the limited nuclear DNA results were insufficient to achieve a completely clear result on this matter.

The DNA forensic work has given us an extraordinary level of certainty that the July 1992 encounter actually occurred. All the evidence argues that the experience and the anomalous hair are not consistent with a hoax, a delusion, or other fantasy. The hair sample PCR DNA study was conducted by Ph.D. biochemists, well established in their field, with well regarded peer reviewed publications and research in mainstream biochemistry. Their study was conducted in a professional private biochemistry laboratory. Other DNA studies conducted by the same team on other evidence, such as samples from encounter cases on the midnorth coast of New South Wales and Queensland, an alleged alien claw from California, and the dress worn by Betty Hill during her famous 1961 abduction in New Hampshire, have not uncovered evidence as interesting as that found in the Khoury study. Independent scientists associated with the research on some of this other evidence were confident and impressed with the quality of the biochemists’ work in those studies and the original Khoury research.

Bill Chalker Archive

 

[LatentCauses]

is there any difference in subtle manipulations in DNA vs. evolution? have any of our manipulations of DNA been subtle - sure some plant products may look the same but taste very differently, but the animals we've messed with appear a little more visibly altered do they not? if there was any actual manipulation of ourselves we would be seeing that in our own genetic studies which are quite thorough the world over and they would be as obvious as our noses becoming glow in the dark snouts. i don't think there's much evidence of work on that level at all.



there are a number of people who share similar stories of AAS. what do they have in common? why do they tell the stories they do? what evidence of their stories actually happening exists? do we see this evidence repeat in other experiencers? have there been any scientific studies competed about people who have AAS beyond the minor sociological forays we have seen to date?

Yes. One is driven by intention, experimentation and purpose by intelligence. The other is, as far as we know, driven by environmental accident, random opportunities to improve efficacy In competitive natural environments.

 

[mike]

What always frustrates me in these topics , and i apoligise if that seems to flavour my responses, is that the solar system is a subset of the superset that is the universe.
We humans have a tendancy to draw our conclusions from that subset of limited experience.

But the nature of the topic is almost certainly going to be of the superset, not the subset.

A bit like that olde TV show pick a box. if the subset is 20 boxes to choose from and the answer is in fact in box 42...... then we wont ever get answers no matter how many tries we make from the 20 boxes that comprise human exerience.

So lets look again at "strange" markers that might point to DNA manipulation

Define strange ?

An ability to use complex often multiple languages ? is that strange ? not within the human experience we all do it

But compare that to every other animal on the planet and suddenly we are in a class all by ourselves

IS DNA responsible for this remarkable (in the larger context) expression ? yes, can it be manipulated to express that in other animals ? yes to a limited degree at this stage of our technology. but its proof of concept

We are bloody smart, submarines spaceships satellites..... Is that strange ? from within the human subset , nah we all have smarts to varying degrees. Compared to all the other animals on earth ? yep another class of our own despite being made of the same common building blocks of life

Can we tweak this expression with DNA manipulation ? yes, can we hybridise other animals Via DNA manipulation to express this strange mutation ?

scientists create genius mice - Bing

That doesnt mean we cant draw a correct answer from the subset of human experience either

To the question why would ET manipulate our DNA and perform experiments on us and create hybrids ?

Maybe the simple answer is for the very same reason we do, to futher their knowledge of biology. As simple as that

 

[mike]

Another scenario. on the assumption these guys are all on the mark

The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos Is Probably Superintelligent Robots | Motherboard

(its also funny how our own technological advances in areas like singularity and AI are now being reflected in the narrative re ET which does seem to be a reoccuring theme)

So various ET von neumann probes have been visiting earth, its a treasure trove of biological mutation and expression as well as the history of an evolving pre singularity sophont.

They use robot probes to gather DNA from the locals and create biological waldo's to do the "leg" work pun intended.

Like blade runners replicants they as a matter of safety have a limited life span

Early in the film, Captain Bryant tells Deckard that the Nexus 6 units' possible eventual development of emotional responses was the reason the Tyrell Corporation had implemented the fail-safe device of a four-year lifespan. Late in the film, Dr. Eldon Tyrell states that the lifespan limitation cannot be circumvented.

Makes sense too, if you are creating a sentient servant you dont want it getting away on you, so you tweak it so it cant breed and cant live long enough to forment a rebellion against its creators.

This scenario covers the DNA compatability aspect and the constant sourcing of new DNA from the target populations. And from the same motivation humans breed. to keep the project going. In this sceanrio for as long as these sophonts choose to observe the earth and its many interesting features, they will continue to take what they need from the target population. And if they are post biological as the link above suggests, they will what they can to hide that aspect if they have an interest in us as pre singularity sophonts



sophont (plural sophonts)

1. (chiefly science fiction) An intelligent being; a being with a base reasoning capacity roughly equivalent to or greater than that of a human being. The word does not apply to machines unless they have true artificial intelligence, rather than mere processing capacity

 

[Burnt State]

Yes. One is driven by intention, experimentation and purpose by intelligence. The other is, as far as we know, driven by environmental accident, random opportunities to improve efficacy In competitive natural environments.

You're talking about intentions vs. outcomes. We don't even have recognizable effects to consider, only guesswork around potentials. Manipulating our DNA for the sake of manipulation also speculates about possibilities, potentially denying our own unique inherent capacities, surrendeing our own biological capacities to the gods who own us again. If they're going to manipulate the code then we should be seeing profound effects and anomalies. The concept of them giving us language, postioning us as the long term lab rat experiment as mike suggests, is way too close to religious concepts of god giving us a soul - providing us with capacity. I personally reject such notions as I prefer to see our species as independently capable and able to exercise free will.

The Khoury case is an interesting but surreal one and defies every single other case due to the actual evidence available to measure. I find such outlying cases very intriguing, but often problematic. But what's more likely there, alien sex (finding the potential for disease, bacterial contamination etc. to be a little exceptional in such a scenario) or an extramarital affair? Given that he didn't drop dead of contamination from swallowing an alien nipple my vote is for illicit sex.

I do agree though that the likelihood of intelligent robotic surveillance, but not interference, makes perfect sense unless we are somehow one of the very early emergent sentient life forms in the universe. Given the scope, scale and age of the universe I find that scenario unlikely and agree with Wargo and others that propose more ancient intelligent life forms that would have engaged long ago with some kind of drone led total galactic information control projects.

Nexus 6 units running around....hmmm....maybe. There are some very odd abduction events featuring rather odd robotic figures or robotic like actions that make this a possibility e.g. Broken Bow incident.

 

[Sand]

Did anyone else do a pace-palm when Chris said he was "racking his brain" trying to think how someone could hoax that spinning-magnet-on-the-car-hood event that Kathleen recounted?

Once again, Chris is unwilling to put any critical thought into the veracity of a story. Wondering how it could be hoaxed is an unnecessary step. It's far more likely that Kathleen is either embellishing the story (she does have an agenda to do so, since she's in the UFO industry now) or - and I suspect this is really the case - she's misremembering an event that took place when she was a child...54 YEARS AGO!

If someone is unfamiliar with the history of the Hill case, I can see where they might have thought Chris was simply relying on a 54-year-old memory of Kathleen’s. In fact, the polished circles on the car trunk and their effect on the compass has been a discussed element of the case since it first became known over 50 years ago.

The Hills descriptions of the circles, the effect on the compass, and Betty’s call to Kathleen’s mother Janet are included in John Fuller’s 1966 book The Interrupted Journey which was excerpted in Look magazine. Prior to that, in 1964 they were described in Dr. Benjamin Simon’s recorded sessions with the Hills. They were also described to NICAP investigator Walter Webb just a month after it all took place.

Kathleen was just another witness to the numerous polished circles on the trunk of the Hills’ car. I did not hear her say anything that differed from what was recorded over 50 years ago.

The widely read Oct 4, 1966 issue of Look magazine:

 

[mike]

The Khoury case is an interesting but surreal one and defies every single other case due to the actual evidence available to measure. I find such outlying cases very intriguing, but often problematic. But what's more likely there, alien sex (finding the potential for disease, bacterial contamination etc. to be a little exceptional in such a scenario) or an extramarital affair? Given that he didn't drop dead of contamination from swallowing an alien nipple my vote is for illicit sex.

How then did he obtain the hair sample with such strange genetic traits.

If this was a hoax perpetrated by khoury (and he passed a lie detector test with flying colours) how the heck did he source that hair ?

Could you replicate the hoax ?

How would you do so ?

Being able to reverse engineer and replicate a hoax is always my first method of proving one ? I have no idea where i would even start to find a hair with the anomalys described

The blonde alien hair revealed an extraordinary anomaly. Depending on whether we analyzed the hard hair shaft or the soft root, its mitochondrial DNA appeared to be of two different kinds. From the lower hair shaft we again obtained a rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA substitution. But from soft root tissue, we obtained a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.

This in itself was a stunning result. The testing methodology meant that prosaic explanations such as contamina-tion or laboratory error were ruled out. In any normal human DNA, we should obtain consistent DNA irrespective of where the sample comes from, be it hair, blood, or other tissue. The biochemists could not explain this strange anomaly.

The best way to debunk this case would be to replicate it, how would you do so ?

 

[mike]

The concept of them giving us language, postioning us as the long term lab rat experiment as mike suggests, is way too close to religious concepts of god giving us a soul - providing us with capacity. I personally reject such notions as I prefer to see our species as independently capable and able to exercise free will.

What utter nonsense Burnt, is it a religious concept when we do it ?

We manipulate DNA in animals all the time for purely scientific purposes, nothing religious about it

 

[Burnt State]

What utter nonsense Burnt, is it a religious concept when we do it ?

We manipulate DNA in animals all the time for purely scientific purposes, nothing religious about it

We definitely do not give mice language, nor have we created a godhood for the apes following our imparting some minor bits of sign language and symbolic systems to teach them to get a treat. But the idea of aliens giving us language by manipulating our genetic code is right up there with popping in a soul and saying this ape is no longer beast but is now man. I prefer my history of humanity to be one where the rhythmic sounds we made became song and then words, and that we did that all on our own out of necessity without any intervention from above. Making rabbits glow in the dark is a long way away from giving a species language.

I just find the concept of us having masters, owners, or manipulators & controllers to be something that creates a very unequal power dynamic, and that leaves us more likely to be probed at will.

 

[LatentCauses]

You're talking about intentions vs. outcomes. We don't even have recognizable effects to consider, only guesswork around potentials. Manipulating our DNA for the sake of manipulation also speculates about possibilities, potentially denying our own unique inherent capacities, surrendeing our own biological capacities to the gods who own us again. If they're going to manipulate the code then we should be seeing profound effects and anomalies. The concept of them giving us language, postioning us as the long term lab rat experiment as mike suggests, is way too close to religious concepts of god giving us a soul - providing us with capacity. I personally reject such notions as I prefer to see our species as independently capable and able to exercise free will.

The Khoury case is an interesting but surreal one and defies every single other case due to the actual evidence available to measure. I find such outlying cases very intriguing, but often problematic. But what's more likely there, alien sex (finding the potential for disease, bacterial contamination etc. to be a little exceptional in such a scenario) or an extramarital affair? Given that he didn't drop dead of contamination from swallowing an alien nipple my vote is for illicit sex.

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I empathise Burnt but again we are in the territory of anecdote versus scientific method. You say - show me the human with the new ability backed up by the DNA analysis that identifies the gene conclusively responsible for the change. I say - here is the work of Chang, Bill Chalker etc etc. And you would say, with justification - is it peer reviewed? No. Is it getting any mainstream attention? No. Is there any well funded, serious investigation into the numerous anecdotal stories of new humans on this planet with psi abilities? No. Case closed?

So where to from here? No idea, apart from round and round on John Keels' great record player in the sky - but a couple of comments. 1. Why expect profound effects and anomolies? Why not just tinker with us so as to decrease our tolerance for violence, or our dopamine response when we buy the latest toy so we start to stop eating this planet? We could come up with a 1000 minor modifications "under the hood" that might make us more compliant, passive, maybe even a nicer species etc etc - or make us sweet and juicy for purposes connected with Charle's Fort's notion of us as property. Kidding, but you get my drift.

One thing for sure - looking for variants in DNA is like looking for a need in a haystack - especially when you dont know what you are looking for. Its incredibly expensive and time consuming, and well beyond the reach of the amateurs in this area.

2. I understand why we would find these cases intriguing, but problematic - but what is the proper attitude to a case when one wasn't on the investigation team, hasn't read the actual reports, and doesnt have the time, inclination or resources to independently assess their veridical value? One response is to analogise with the process of ascribing the function to god-like powers - because yes, humans, do that, and motive is critical, but in these areas the first assessment needs to be a factual enquiry into what, if anything, happened and if so what is it?

 

[Burnt State]

How then did he obtain the hair sample with such strange genetic traits.

If this was a hoax perpetrated by khoury (and he passed a lie detector test with flying colours) how the heck did he source that hair ?

Could you replicate the hoax ?

How would you do so ?

Being able to reverse engineer and replicate a hoax is always my first method of proving one ? I have no idea where i would even start to find a hair with the anomalys described

The blonde alien hair revealed an extraordinary anomaly. Depending on whether we analyzed the hard hair shaft or the soft root, its mitochondrial DNA appeared to be of two different kinds. From the lower hair shaft we again obtained a rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA substitution. But from soft root tissue, we obtained a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.

This in itself was a stunning result. The testing methodology meant that prosaic explanations such as contamina-tion or laboratory error were ruled out. In any normal human DNA, we should obtain consistent DNA irrespective of where the sample comes from, be it hair, blood, or other tissue. The biochemists could not explain this strange anomaly.

The best way to debunk this case would be to replicate it, how would you do so ?

I know that there are strong feelings about this case, but the option remains that there is in fact a human being out there who has that genetic predisposition and it's her hair wrapped around his member. And if she exists and others like her are out there, then it is what it is. It was human hair after all. With regards to the multiple types of mitochndrial dna gettng expressed in the same strand, this may be puzzling but not inexplicable. I understand from reviewing the case that people with hair transplants can in fact express dual DNA as a result so it's also not an off planet event.

As for the story he tells, the gagging on the nipple, coughing for three days, and the carefully preserved strands of her that was tightly wound around him under his foreskin - well that is a puzzler is it not? But he also is someone who has multiple abduction type experiences, and he has a partner who is supportive of this narrative. The choice to create a narrative around a possible illicit affair would be his business, and why it turned into alien abduction is also his construction. I think if there is any truth to the story regarding aliens failing to tango with him then the proof needed should be off planet proof and not proof of slightly rare human hair. If there's a hoax in the works then Khoury knows best, but even if his version of events is true, all he has to show for it is human hair. He has some interesting stirs, and like other experiencers was profoundly affected by Communion.

 

[mike]

We definitely do not give mice language, nor have we created a godhood for the apes following our imparting some minor bits of sign language and symbolic systems to teach them to get a treat. But the idea of aliens giving us language by manipulating our genetic code is right up there with popping in a soul and saying this ape is no longer beast but is now man. I prefer my history of humanity to be one where the rhythmic sounds we made became song and then words, and that we did that all on our own out of necessity without any intervention from above. Making rabbits glow in the dark is a long way away from giving a species language.

I just find the concept of us having masters, owners, or manipulators & controllers to be something that creates a very unequal power dynamic, and that leaves us more likely to be probed at will.

No its not, what you are trying to do is counter the facts tendered by throwing "religion" in to smear the issue via the guilt by association mechanism.
It has nothing to do with religion unless white lab coats are the new robes and cassocks.

You do it again here

surrendeing our own biological capacities to the gods who own us again

If they exist they are no more gods, than we are when we medle with the DNA of other species here, but by labeling them as such you tag them with the same values, ie not real. But if the logic tree follows than we are also "gods" as you put it to the mice et al whose DNA we manipulate and thus neither are we real, we too are just superstitious fictions

And i ask again, how would you replicate the Khoury case as a hoax ? where would you find a hair sample like that, How would Khoury without any equipment to test the hair find one that has the following anomalys ?


The blonde alien hair revealed an extraordinary anomaly. Depending on whether we analyzed the hard hair shaft or the soft root, its mitochondrial DNA appeared to be of two different kinds. From the lower hair shaft we again obtained a rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA substitution. But from soft root tissue, we obtained a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.

Perhaps even more controversially, we also have findings of nuclear DNA suggestive of possible viral resistance to HIV-AIDS for example – referred to as the CCR5 deletion factor. The implications are startling because less than 1 % of the population has this deleted CCR5 factor,

Find a hair with the deleted CCR5 factor that pops up in less than one percent of the population AND has rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA and a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.
How would YOU go about replicating this as a hoax

 

[Burnt State]

I empathise Burnt but again we are in the territory of anecdote versus scientific method. You say - show me the human with the new ability backed up by the DNA analysis that identifies the gene conclusively responsible for the change. I say - here is the work of Chang, Bill Chalker etc etc. And you would say, with justification - is it peer reviewed? No. Is it getting any mainstream attention? No. Is there any well funded, serious investigation into the numerous anecdotal stories of new humans on this planet with psi abilities? No. Case closed?

So where to from here? No idea, apart from round and round on John Keels' great record player in the sky - but a couple of comments. 1. Why expect profound effects and anomolies? Why not just tinker with us so as to decrease our tolerance for violence, or our dopamine response when we buy the latest toy so we start to stop eating this planet? We could come up with a 1000 minor modifications "under the hood" that might make us more compliant, passive, maybe even a nicer species etc etc - or make us sweet and juicy for purposes connected with Charle's Fort's notion of us as property. Kidding, but you get my drift.

One thing for sure - looking for variants in DNA is like looking for a need in a haystack - especially when you dont know what you are looking for. Its incredibly expensive and time consuming, and well beyond the reach of the amateurs in this area.

2. I understand why we would find these cases intriguing, but problematic - but what is the proper attitude to a case when one wasn't on the investigation team, hasn't read the actual reports, and doesnt have the time, inclination or resources to independently assess their veridical value? One response is to analogise with the process of ascribing the function to god-like powers - because yes, humans, do that, and motive is critical, but in these areas the first assessment needs to be a factual enquiry into what, if anything, happened and if so what is it?

It always seems like "they" are this giant body under the carpet that we keep bumping into but can't quite see where or what it is, a giant set of blinders obfuscating something that's just behind us, or look over there it is and gone.

The attempts at science have been limited at best, so instead we have the old testament according to the founding fathers of ufology & the new testament gospels of Hynek, Keel, Clark and Vallée's heretic revelations, and the many Gnostic writers including Hopkins, Jacobs, & Mack with Turner as resident mystic. It's all about belief systems, what all the witnesses to the ressurection of Roswell saw, and yes the first person accounts have been documented religiously, as it were, in FOIA's and Saint McDonald's files and then later in new editions online of all the many anecdotes. Access to accuracy is limited but Koi is building the codex so that you can see for yourself exactly what we do know.

2. There are these brief stabs, brief bits of real evidence, but nothing that says aliens except we witnesses who saw things that gave the appearance as if they had come from outer space. Even if we are co-creators of the phenomenon there is still something being witnessed & experienced that we can not name nor explain, though it looks like it's an alien.

Even if we were responsible for more than half of what it is: in our hoaxes, our belief in myths, in how our virtual sensory apparatus functions in a quantum universe to perceive whatever it is we call reality, in our psycho-sociocultural set of narratives that we are nurtured in that defines our reality, even if 80%, 97% is just happening in our minds like DMT jewel encrusted giant reptoids, there's still something very strange taking place and there is real evidence of that here and there.

But even with that suspicion I still would not be surprised if it all wasn't just a dream, some shadow play in the psycho-cultural mindspace that was responding to a strange light in the sky, or saw hooded strangers come into the room late at night, and now I'm laying on a table in an illuminated bright white room and the narrative rides the way it does from there. But no, it's certainly not case closed. Imho there's a lot going on in people's heads that's bleeding out into the real word, and is most likely symptomatic of other issues that need addressing. And the way it comes out is according to the gestalts and color of the times. But that does not answer for it all.

1. I wish "they" would tinker with us and make us less evil and more caring of our own environment. But given history's penchant for repetitive cycles of self-destruction it seems we haven't learned a whit about not killing our neighbor nor our ecosystems, so I'm not seeing any progressive genetic tampering. If you had the power to manipulate a species at a genetic level and would dare interfere with another lifeform's destiny then I'm sure yoy're not caring about what you do. Instead, our genetic history seems to be very earth bound. This is the test tube we came from. We dare to mess with other lifeforms because we don't care, because we don't fully comprehend the consequences, because as a child species we are young in deed and seed. Yet, behold all the wonder and destruction we have wreaked in such short a time. I doubt advanced beings would trifle with such dark manipulative magic.

However, if there's something hanging around here alongside us, it appears to be indifferent to our acts of self-destruction. Whether or not "they" are encouraging us in some respects to venture off planet has no answer either except for the one we write. I suspect it is in our nature to believe that exploration is good, and that yes, we are afraid there is an alien out there waiting for us in the dark closet of the milky way, the boogeyman of alpha centari. But we also are afraid of being alone in the galaxy and so we may have invented this invisible playmate from the stars to help alleviate some of our lonely fears. It's Them.

 

[Burnt State]

mike, i see no need to replicate anything. the facts are he has a human hair. he also has a story that goes along with the hair, but that's his story. this does not alter in any way the fact that the hair is human. whether it is anomalous or not does not really make a difference. an additional criticism would be, and i can't remember if this is true, but did he run to the doctor to do something about the alien nipple he swallowed or go straight to emergency in case of being suddenly poisoned to death - especially after all the coughing? i don't know about you but i'd be getting my stomach pumped after swallowing an alien nipple. or did he only just take time to carefully seal up the hairs in a bag for future reference and could these hairs in fact have been procured prior to the event?

 

[mike]

mike, i see no need to replicate anything. the facts are he has a human hair. he also has a story that goes along with the hair, but that's his story. this does not alter in any way the fact that the hair is human. whether it is anomalous or not does not really make a difference. an additional criticism would be, and i can't remember if this is true, but did he run to the doctor to do something about the alien nipple he swallowed or go straight to emergency in case of being suddenly poisoned to death - especially after all the coughing? i don't know about you but i'd be getting my stomach pumped after swallowing an alien nipple. or did he only just take time to carefully seal up the hairs in a bag for future reference and could these hairs in fact have been procured prior to the event?

If you cant replicate the hoax its not easy to call it as such.
You cant be serious when you say

whether it is anomalous or not does not really make a difference.

You may as well say i will dismiss any evidence that doesnt fit my theory, you then go on to offer a criticism that you are not sure is based on true events ???????? I find that..... problematic and dismiss your opinion on that basis. You really have nothing to offer this discussion but blind denial sourced as demonstrated from data you yourself cant remember being true or not.. Really ? REALLY ?

An additional criticism would be, and i can't remember if this is true....... REALLY ?
Before you offer a criticism, do the research. How shabby is this as a rebutal ? Its shabbtastic
(now youve done it, ive had to invent a new word)


Scepticism is integral to the scientific process, because most claims turn out to be false. Weeding out the few kernels of wheat from the large pile of chaff requires extensive observation, careful experimentation and cautious inference. Science is scepticism and good scientists are sceptical.

Denial is different. It is the automatic gainsaying of a claim regardless of the evidence for it – sometimes even in the teeth of evidence. Denialism is typically driven by ideology or religious belief, where the commitment to the belief takes precedence over the evidence. Belief comes first, reasons for belief follow, and those reasons are winnowed to ensure that the belief survives intact.

And thats exactly what youve demonstrated here, blind denial

 

[mike]

whether it is anomalous or not does not really make a difference.
Can you imagine a Doctor having sent you for tests throwing that in your face ?

Hmm some anomalys in your blood tests...... not to worry makes no difference....

The blonde alien hair revealed an extraordinary anomaly. Depending on whether we analyzed the hard hair shaft or the soft root, its mitochondrial DNA appeared to be of two different kinds. From the lower hair shaft we again obtained a rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA substitution. But from soft root tissue, we obtained a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.

This in itself was a stunning result. The testing methodology meant that prosaic explanations such as contamina-tion or laboratory error were ruled out. In any normal human DNA, we should obtain consistent DNA irrespective of where the sample comes from, be it hair, blood, or other tissue. The biochemists could not explain this strange anomaly. There was no evidence of a somewhat rare DNA phenomenon called heteroplasmy (where two different mitochondrial DNAs rarely appear within the same sample, usually a result of coexistence of mutant mitochondrial and “wild type” DNA molecules within a cell or tissue). Heteroplasmy, which is more readily found in human hair than other parts of the body, refers to single base transitions in the mitochondrial DNA. For example, G to A, or C to T. They are not big changes. Environmental exposure and aging can be factors. A research article in Nature Biotechnology in 2000 that described cutting edge hybrid cloning techniques to treat hair loss provided a clue. We may have encountered evidence of an extraordinary alien analogue of these techniques in Khoury’s encounter. Perhaps even more controversially, we also have findings of nuclear DNA suggestive of possible viral resistance to HIV-AIDS for example – referred to as the CCR5 deletion factor. The implications are startling because less than 1 % of the population has this deleted CCR5 factor, which makes the already unusual hair sample even more provocative. And the CCR5 mutation occurred only about 5,000 years ago, further adding to the intrigue. Still, I must note that the limited nuclear DNA results were insufficient to achieve a completely clear result on this matter.

The DNA forensic work has given us an extraordinary level of certainty that the July 1992 encounter actually occurred. All the evidence argues that the experience and the anomalous hair are not consistent with a hoax, a delusion, or other fantasy. The hair sample PCR DNA study was conducted by Ph.D. biochemists, well established in their field, with well regarded peer reviewed publications and research in mainstream biochemistry. Their study was conducted in a professional private biochemistry laboratory. Other DNA studies conducted by the same team on other evidence, such as samples from encounter cases on the midnorth coast of New South Wales and Queensland, an alleged alien claw from California, and the dress worn by Betty Hill during her famous 1961 abduction in New Hampshire, have not uncovered evidence as interesting as that found in the Khoury study. Independent scientists associated with the research on some of this other evidence were confident and impressed with the quality of the biochemists’ work in those studies and the original Khoury research.

All of these anomalys and your blind denial is simply to say they mean nothing ? Thats denial. honest debunking would offer a counter argument but denail simply waves the hand in dismisal and says nah It means nothing.

Its not just human hair, human hair would not give the same results ,the same anomaly's
Its not just hair transplant hair, A research article in Nature Biotechnology in 2000 that described cutting edge hybrid cloning techniques to treat hair loss provided a clue. a clue not an explanation

So again where did Khoury get such a hair ?
Hair that suggests hybrid cloning techniques.....

Even if he knew someone who had had a hair loss treatment using hybrid cloning techniques, they would also have had to have had that hair come from a donor that came from less than 1 % of the population has this deleted CCR5 factor and a rare Chinese mitochondrial DNA substitution. and a novel Basque/Gaelic type mitochondrial DNA, which had a rare substitution for that racial grouping along with several other characteristic substitutions.

You didnt debunk these data points, all you had was blind denial

because you believe with religious fervour this cannot be an external phenomena, you are fearful that if it was it would mean that we are not the top of the food chain, not masters of our destiny not in control of the situation.

But every single species on this plant is subject to just that reality with us at the top.

Step off the planet, is it so unlikely that the reality is as above so below, That Big fleas have little fleas, Upon their backs to bite 'em, And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so, ad infinitum

Its clear the idea that we are little fleas is offensive to you, but if thats the reality denial wont change it, like the sound of one hand clapping it is what it is nothing more nothing less