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  • Burnt State
    Which is why only that very small percentage of cases that have actual evidence attached to them are worth a focussed discussion - everything else just belongs to the realms of mythology and folklore. There's no other category to place them in...
  • Burnt State
    James, because there appears to be only a handful of people still using this forum I just wanted to double down on your statement here. That's exactly when I tuned back in to the UFO discussion and thought the Paracast was the best thing going...
  • Burnt State
    I’ve also been interested in the subject since the 70’s in every respect and after much consideration tend to agree with you. I think it’s more to do with “us” than “them”. But in any event it’s always been a very interesting hobby. I must say...
  • Randall
    Same true of the phenomenon generally. Lol, I view abductions are just another aspect of familiarization. I don't buy "medical experimentation," and "tags" are just to add to the credibility of certain cases (hence further familiarization) with...
  • Randall
    I’ve also been interested in the subject since the 70’s in every respect and after much consideration tend to agree with you. I think it’s more to do with “us” than “them”. But in any event it’s always been a very interesting hobby. I must say...
  • Randall
    It's a question of how useful is the information that comes from these aspects. Is there any evidence there that is truly useful? All three of those areas are the ones we know to be hoaxed the most. Claims of abduction rarely have any real...
  • Randall
    I'm not sure if those are the only four options. If you get Fortran about it then we are someone else's property and it's not familiarization but management that they might be interested in. I don't think phenomenon is correct as there's...
  • Randall
    Agreed — I was just keeping in context of the immediate discussion ( study vs. familiarization ). If we want to widen the goalposts, management is a distinct possibility in which case, study and familiarization both might play a role in an even...
  • Randall
    Randall replied to the thread Update on Gene, Tuesday Nov. 18.
    I looked into the dissent against Gene before agreeing to be part of the show and never found any of the claims to be substantial. That said, there are still some people who think my reasons for resigning aren't substantial either. The difference...
  • Randall
    Randall reacted to JamesT's post in the thread Update on Gene, Tuesday Nov. 18 with Like Like.
    I get the reference for sure - but surely all of that was long ago & far away no? In any event,sadly, the fate of so many of the early pioneers of ufology has often been to end up broke & sick. :(
  • Trajanus
    Same true of the phenomenon generally. Lol, I view abductions are just another aspect of familiarization. I don't buy "medical experimentation," and "tags" are just to add to the credibility of certain cases (hence further familiarization) with...
  • J
    JamesT reacted to Gene Steinberg's post in the thread Update on Gene, Tuesday Nov. 18 with Like Like.
    It’s 19 years of work. I’m not giving it away.
  • J
    JamesT reacted to Tim Swartz's post in the thread Update on Gene, Tuesday Nov. 18 with Like Like.
    According to Gene, it has been difficult for him to communicate with the forum and others due to most of his gear at home. I guess he has his phone, but that's it.
  • J
    JamesT reacted to SRL+'s post in the thread Update on Gene, Tuesday Nov. 18 with Like Like.
    Ahh… that’s it, the infection. In 22’ there were several days that I lived in a hospital room with an IV plugged into the arm due to a serious infection. Multiple weeks must be a brutal stay. Just imagine the folks without any type of medical...
  • J
    JamesT replied to the thread Update on Gene, Tuesday Nov. 18.
    I get the reference for sure - but surely all of that was long ago & far away no? In any event,sadly, the fate of so many of the early pioneers of ufology has often been to end up broke & sick. :(
  • J
    I’ve also been interested in the subject since the 70’s in every respect and after much consideration tend to agree with you. I think it’s more to do with “us” than “them”. But in any event it’s always been a very interesting hobby. I must say...
  • J
    It's a question of how useful is the information that comes from these aspects. Is there any evidence there that is truly useful? All three of those areas are the ones we know to be hoaxed the most. Claims of abduction rarely have any real...
  • Burnt State
    It's a question of how useful is the information that comes from these aspects. Is there any evidence there that is truly useful? All three of those areas are the ones we know to be hoaxed the most. Claims of abduction rarely have any real...
  • Burnt State
    I'm not sure if those are the only four options. If you get Fortran about it then we are someone else's property and it's not familiarization but management that they might be interested in. I don't think phenomenon is correct as there's...
  • Randall
    Many people still dismiss all of UFOlogy as based on flimsy evidence. I don't think it's wise to dismiss an entire aspect of the phenomenon whether it's crop circles, abductions or contactees. As far as laymen know but the record of the...
  • Randall
    As I see it, familiarization had to wait until our species was sufficiently advanced to interpret it correctly. For all its deceptiveness, intended to preclude full acceptance of the ETH, yet, people do generally interpret it that way. This...
  • Trajanus
    Many people still dismiss all of UFOlogy as based on flimsy evidence. I don't think it's wise to dismiss an entire aspect of the phenomenon whether it's crop circles, abductions or contactees. As far as laymen know but the record of the...
  • Trajanus
    As I see it, familiarization had to wait until our species was sufficiently advanced to interpret it correctly. For all its deceptiveness, intended to preclude full acceptance of the ETH, yet, people do generally interpret it that way. This...
  • Trajanus
    Just a head's up on a post that I'd like your feedback on. The full post is here. The most relevant question is reiterated below ( with minor changes for clarity ). Earth's geography and human physiology hasn't changed much over the last few...
  • Randall
    The "phenomenon" ( as distinct from UFOs per se ) isn't too difficult to define. What's difficult is getting some sort of consensus on it. Probably the most widely accepted approach in serious ufology, is that of CUFOS, and As you suggest, the...
  • Randall
    @Randall the only way I can respond to your larger meta question is to consider the discussions of our current leading theorists and their preferred theories. Because the phenomena is so difficult to define I've long thought an interdisciplinary...
  • Burnt State
    @Randall the only way I can respond to your larger meta question is to consider the discussions of our current leading theorists and their preferred theories. Because the phenomena is so difficult to define I've long thought an interdisciplinary...
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  • Burnt State
    Quoting parts of ufology is like quoting parts of the Bible You can make it say whatever you want. That's why I appreciate detailed researchers who don't make assumptions based on flimsy evidence such as contactee reports and then extrapolate...
  • Randall
    They have the one thing that really matters in common--a modicum of credibility. I don't recall reports by drug addicts or prison inmates nor by people with known mental illness prior to an experience. Familiarization requires witnesses who are...
  • Randall
    Quite a few "bits and pieces." Most people would abandon it because its overall view is contrary to what nearly everyone wants to believe. But contactee nonsense, such as Adamski's, still has a purpose--to sully certain ideas. Just like physical...
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