Robert Baird
Paranormal Maven
Perhaps this is too much to address and there are too many threads or links to read - nonetheless I put it here. It might tie in with the thread On Cultural Marxism but that is more superficial.
Cultural Impacts on Evolving Species {Sub-title - could humans have genetically altered each other and when did it start?}
Carrying on from a now far reaching thread titled Hi iSal we have one of many ideas deserving a new thread - and even a new segment or sub-section of Philosophy and Science.
Sal has linked a book by Richerson and Boyd and university studies addressing the American Northerners and Southerners which addresses genetic changes caused by culture. It is not the Nature versus Nurture debate though there is an element of that psychology we could consider. They propose Lamarckian evolutionary impacts that include our mind affecting our body or what has been called 'qualitative' impacts rather than 'quantitative' changes that focus on Darwin's competitive SURVIVAL of a species. Darwin might think scarcity of resources alters the species who pursues those resources and thus he allows the mutations are teleologically interconnecting the whole harmonic interplay - but he had to stay on track with a part of a larger whole. I think his detractors in religious circles were not always wrong - and there is Intelligent Design but that design in not just ABOVE - it is WITHIN (or Below from the law of the Magi).
It deserves a whole book to deconstruct my sense of discomfort though agreeing with the obvious impact (to me it is obvious) that our energy spent on thinking impacts our mind, body and spirit - there are numerous threads here addressing these revivalist notions which ancients knew better than we grasp today. The threads Shamanism and Consciousness, the Mind/Spirit Machine, Epigenetics, all threads about Harmonics, archetypes, gematria, memes and linguistics (which is far more than languages or semiotics) are involved. Each of these threads could be a chapter in a book. All of it would have to address alchemy - past and present, physical and spiritual, as well as intrapersonal integrations like Bhakti, Tantra and Kundalini in Yoga.
"Culture is crucial for understanding human behavior. People acquire beliefs and values from the people around them, and you can’t explain human behavior without taking this reality into account. Murder is more common in the South than in the North. If Nisbett and Cohen are right, this difference can’t be explained in terms of contemporary economics, climate, or any other external factor. Their explanation is that people in the South have acquired a complex set of beliefs and attitudes about personal honor that make them more polite, but also more quick to take offense than people in the North. This complex persists because the beliefs of one generation are learned by the next. This is not an isolated example. We will present several other similar well-studied examples demonstrating that culture plays an important role in human behavior. These are only the tip of the iceberg—a complete scholarly rehearsal of the evidence would try the patience of all but the most dedicated reader. Culturally acquired ideas are crucially important for explaining a wide range of human behavior—opinions, beliefs, and attitudes, habits of thought, language, artistic styles, tools and technology, and social rules and political institutions.
Culture is part of biology. An insult that has trivial effects in a Northerner sets off a cascade of physiological changes in a southern male that prepare him to harm the insulter and cope with the likelihood that the insulter is prepared to retaliate violently. This example is merely one strand in a skein of connections that enmesh culturally acquired information in other aspects of human biology. Much evidence suggests that we have an evolved psychology that shapes what we learn and how we think, and that this in turn influences the kind of beliefs and attitudes that spread and persist. Theories that ignore these connections cannot adequately account for much of human behavior. At the same time, culture and cultural change cannot be understood solely in terms of innate psychology. Culture affects the success and survival of individuals and groups; as a result, some cultural variants spread and others diminish, leading to evolutionary processes that are every bit as real and important as those that shape genetic variation. These culturally evolved environments then affect which genes are favored by natural selection. Over the evolutionary long haul, culture has shaped our innate psychology as much as the other way around."
Before the above quote they had addressed the herders or Scots/Irish that were the predominant gene stream in the South whereas the more civilized North had English, German and Dutch denizens. I posit if they had gone further north to Cape Breton or Newfoundland they would have observed the Scots/Irish in an more suitable constructed environment where their codes of conduct still retain the OLD CULTURE and Brotherhood.
I would ask them to watch the movie Gangs of New York to see how the cauldron of New York City and political greed made strange bedfellows who DEvolved? I also have noted that Southerners and Maritimers like to fight - in order to become friends. Honour being a good part of a more lawful and ancient system which the English sought to destroy (see my work including Jonathon Swift and the english destruction of land use - Keltic and Iroquoian ownership by the ALL - which lead to the Brutti return to Etruscan regions and the founding of Rome which was later usurped by the Equestrian class and thus an end of SPQR). Damn that parenthesis would take three books to explain!
This thread should not be addressing Darwinian evolutionary theory as much as the psychological impacts of a spiritual continuum (and vice versa) which psychologists like the authors of The Wonder Child addressed. I have covered a lot from that book in the thread The Third Eye which is also included in the W-M blog. Here is some of the thought in that thread which we always have to guard against as we attempt to reduce nature into words.
"It is also very interesting to note that the drawing of the Eye of Horus very much matches the cross section of the mid brain where the thalamus, the pineal and pituitary glands are situated. The pineal gland is often said to be the “third eye” and a centre of spirituality and of spiritual insight, which can be developed in a person.
It’s as if the Eye of Horus could be a depiction of the thalamus as the eye ball with the corpus callosum the eye brow above and the medulla oblongata (brain stem) and the hypothalamus being the two markings below. If this is what they were drawing but calling it the Eye of Horus, does it suggest they considered the mid brain to be the seat of consciousness or even of divine consciousness or “Horus consciousness”? Horus being a sun god and symbolic of the universal Christ, a spiritual force which a suitably prepared person can merge with."
http://consciousreporter.com/spiritu...ll-seeing-eye/
The extreme cases of denial and brainwashing from science are not done by scientists. Usually it is people who failed in advancing their scientific career who will be found beating a drum of reductivist thinking which reduces life to only that which THEY can easily understand. They seek to empower themselves and assure themselves that no one knows what intuition or consciousness is better than they do. They do not observe and conclude, rather they use direct inference and conclude nothing which they and their forbears have said can be challenged." End of quote from the Third Eye thread.
Of course, the whole idea of this thread will also have sub-sets and precepts which devolve epistemologically past teleological sense or sensibility.
http://forum.world-mysteries.com/thr...ight=darwinism
Finally for this opening post we have some of what Sal included in the thread Hi iSal. I just noticed a word or phrase after not capitalizing the 's'. Hi Is All. I could make a High universal consciousness discourse out of that - like "to BE or not".
"Now, since the beginning of this train of thought began with Human Origins - Culture - Communication - checked in to see what is happening at the Max Planck Institute.
And read about the recent opening of The Max Planck Institute for Empirical Aesthetics - October 13, 2015 with three Departments, Language and Literature, Music, and Neuroscience
The scientists will be using a variety of research methods and an interdisciplinary approach to investigate the numerous types and nuances of aesthetic pleasure, as well as the role played by individual, social and cultural differences. One of the challenges facing the Institute is to develop and integrate hypotheses, theories and models drawn from widely differing disciplines, particularly from psychology, the traditional poetics of the individual arts, musicology, artistic and literary science, philosophical aesthetics, biology, sociology and the neurosciences. One of their more recent article on this subject, Musical rhythms in the brain - October 26, 2015 discussing the connection between cortical oscillations, speech rhythms, and music ."
I did not read all of the research from the Max Planck study of music impacting our brain's development but that was a large part of why the Kelts taught mime, minstrels and oratory (Ogham covers all) at an early age. http://www.mpg.de/9715417/music-in-the-brain
Cultural Impacts on Evolving Species {Sub-title - could humans have genetically altered each other and when did it start?}
Carrying on from a now far reaching thread titled Hi iSal we have one of many ideas deserving a new thread - and even a new segment or sub-section of Philosophy and Science.
Sal has linked a book by Richerson and Boyd and university studies addressing the American Northerners and Southerners which addresses genetic changes caused by culture. It is not the Nature versus Nurture debate though there is an element of that psychology we could consider. They propose Lamarckian evolutionary impacts that include our mind affecting our body or what has been called 'qualitative' impacts rather than 'quantitative' changes that focus on Darwin's competitive SURVIVAL of a species. Darwin might think scarcity of resources alters the species who pursues those resources and thus he allows the mutations are teleologically interconnecting the whole harmonic interplay - but he had to stay on track with a part of a larger whole. I think his detractors in religious circles were not always wrong - and there is Intelligent Design but that design in not just ABOVE - it is WITHIN (or Below from the law of the Magi).
It deserves a whole book to deconstruct my sense of discomfort though agreeing with the obvious impact (to me it is obvious) that our energy spent on thinking impacts our mind, body and spirit - there are numerous threads here addressing these revivalist notions which ancients knew better than we grasp today. The threads Shamanism and Consciousness, the Mind/Spirit Machine, Epigenetics, all threads about Harmonics, archetypes, gematria, memes and linguistics (which is far more than languages or semiotics) are involved. Each of these threads could be a chapter in a book. All of it would have to address alchemy - past and present, physical and spiritual, as well as intrapersonal integrations like Bhakti, Tantra and Kundalini in Yoga.
"Culture is crucial for understanding human behavior. People acquire beliefs and values from the people around them, and you can’t explain human behavior without taking this reality into account. Murder is more common in the South than in the North. If Nisbett and Cohen are right, this difference can’t be explained in terms of contemporary economics, climate, or any other external factor. Their explanation is that people in the South have acquired a complex set of beliefs and attitudes about personal honor that make them more polite, but also more quick to take offense than people in the North. This complex persists because the beliefs of one generation are learned by the next. This is not an isolated example. We will present several other similar well-studied examples demonstrating that culture plays an important role in human behavior. These are only the tip of the iceberg—a complete scholarly rehearsal of the evidence would try the patience of all but the most dedicated reader. Culturally acquired ideas are crucially important for explaining a wide range of human behavior—opinions, beliefs, and attitudes, habits of thought, language, artistic styles, tools and technology, and social rules and political institutions.
Culture is part of biology. An insult that has trivial effects in a Northerner sets off a cascade of physiological changes in a southern male that prepare him to harm the insulter and cope with the likelihood that the insulter is prepared to retaliate violently. This example is merely one strand in a skein of connections that enmesh culturally acquired information in other aspects of human biology. Much evidence suggests that we have an evolved psychology that shapes what we learn and how we think, and that this in turn influences the kind of beliefs and attitudes that spread and persist. Theories that ignore these connections cannot adequately account for much of human behavior. At the same time, culture and cultural change cannot be understood solely in terms of innate psychology. Culture affects the success and survival of individuals and groups; as a result, some cultural variants spread and others diminish, leading to evolutionary processes that are every bit as real and important as those that shape genetic variation. These culturally evolved environments then affect which genes are favored by natural selection. Over the evolutionary long haul, culture has shaped our innate psychology as much as the other way around."
Before the above quote they had addressed the herders or Scots/Irish that were the predominant gene stream in the South whereas the more civilized North had English, German and Dutch denizens. I posit if they had gone further north to Cape Breton or Newfoundland they would have observed the Scots/Irish in an more suitable constructed environment where their codes of conduct still retain the OLD CULTURE and Brotherhood.
I would ask them to watch the movie Gangs of New York to see how the cauldron of New York City and political greed made strange bedfellows who DEvolved? I also have noted that Southerners and Maritimers like to fight - in order to become friends. Honour being a good part of a more lawful and ancient system which the English sought to destroy (see my work including Jonathon Swift and the english destruction of land use - Keltic and Iroquoian ownership by the ALL - which lead to the Brutti return to Etruscan regions and the founding of Rome which was later usurped by the Equestrian class and thus an end of SPQR). Damn that parenthesis would take three books to explain!
This thread should not be addressing Darwinian evolutionary theory as much as the psychological impacts of a spiritual continuum (and vice versa) which psychologists like the authors of The Wonder Child addressed. I have covered a lot from that book in the thread The Third Eye which is also included in the W-M blog. Here is some of the thought in that thread which we always have to guard against as we attempt to reduce nature into words.
"It is also very interesting to note that the drawing of the Eye of Horus very much matches the cross section of the mid brain where the thalamus, the pineal and pituitary glands are situated. The pineal gland is often said to be the “third eye” and a centre of spirituality and of spiritual insight, which can be developed in a person.
It’s as if the Eye of Horus could be a depiction of the thalamus as the eye ball with the corpus callosum the eye brow above and the medulla oblongata (brain stem) and the hypothalamus being the two markings below. If this is what they were drawing but calling it the Eye of Horus, does it suggest they considered the mid brain to be the seat of consciousness or even of divine consciousness or “Horus consciousness”? Horus being a sun god and symbolic of the universal Christ, a spiritual force which a suitably prepared person can merge with."
http://consciousreporter.com/spiritu...ll-seeing-eye/
The extreme cases of denial and brainwashing from science are not done by scientists. Usually it is people who failed in advancing their scientific career who will be found beating a drum of reductivist thinking which reduces life to only that which THEY can easily understand. They seek to empower themselves and assure themselves that no one knows what intuition or consciousness is better than they do. They do not observe and conclude, rather they use direct inference and conclude nothing which they and their forbears have said can be challenged." End of quote from the Third Eye thread.
Of course, the whole idea of this thread will also have sub-sets and precepts which devolve epistemologically past teleological sense or sensibility.
http://forum.world-mysteries.com/thr...ight=darwinism
Finally for this opening post we have some of what Sal included in the thread Hi iSal. I just noticed a word or phrase after not capitalizing the 's'. Hi Is All. I could make a High universal consciousness discourse out of that - like "to BE or not".
"Now, since the beginning of this train of thought began with Human Origins - Culture - Communication - checked in to see what is happening at the Max Planck Institute.
And read about the recent opening of The Max Planck Institute for Empirical Aesthetics - October 13, 2015 with three Departments, Language and Literature, Music, and Neuroscience
The scientists will be using a variety of research methods and an interdisciplinary approach to investigate the numerous types and nuances of aesthetic pleasure, as well as the role played by individual, social and cultural differences. One of the challenges facing the Institute is to develop and integrate hypotheses, theories and models drawn from widely differing disciplines, particularly from psychology, the traditional poetics of the individual arts, musicology, artistic and literary science, philosophical aesthetics, biology, sociology and the neurosciences. One of their more recent article on this subject, Musical rhythms in the brain - October 26, 2015 discussing the connection between cortical oscillations, speech rhythms, and music ."
I did not read all of the research from the Max Planck study of music impacting our brain's development but that was a large part of why the Kelts taught mime, minstrels and oratory (Ogham covers all) at an early age. http://www.mpg.de/9715417/music-in-the-brain