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From your non-commital reply I gather you agree with my description. I could go into details, based on geometry, why I don't find such a description correct, but leave this aside for a moment. What I do find a lot more interesting is this;

Thank you Lance, now we are getting somewhere. So, I gather, your contention is that the lines displayed in the 'hoaxkiller1' video are x-axis y-axis lines of symmetry, plus there is a ~2-3 deg. rotation (ccw) around the z-axis accounting for why these symmetry lines are not square with standard...

Ok, Lance. Now you have presented your argument and shown what it really consists of. Saying 'the video I linked shows clearly (and explains) all that need be shown' is not plausible, because, if you view the video all it really says is that some guy thinks some graphics filter was used. Drawing...

Finally. You are planing to show some quantitative analysis of the video. Because up until now, Lance, you have been arguing 'Ben-style'; i.e. faith and hot air. Show the analysis Lance, quantitatively, with statistics. Or at least make a quantitative argument. I have little patience for people...

Geez, you're haven't followed this in much detail, have you Lance. The whole point is that the 'YouTube debunking analysis' that everyone keeps alluding to does not reveal anything conclusive. I've gone over and over on this point explaining that lines of symmetry can be defined in just about...

Lance, I think following the logic is more important than following percise use of terminology, though I do appreciate the need to be consistent with terminology to avoid confusion. As for opinions and embarassment; why Lance, really I didn't know you cared:o, and I think that topic misses the...

Cool! Coming from you I must be doing something right. But, believe it or not, now I really gotta do something that puts food on my table!

Set up a faulty, easily-debunked argument. Call it a straw-man. Associate the straw-man with the main target argument. The association will usually be using faulty/deceptive logic. The target is more resilient to debunking and difficult to attack directly. Destroy the straw-man. Claim the main...

Angelo, I think you are mis-reading what I said and jumping to conclusions about my statements. I never said his article was hysterical. It probably does not help your career path as a writer to submit articles to CBS news that sound hysterical. What I claimed was that some of Ben's rebuttals in...

No, Angelo. The answer to the question; "Did he think the Jerusalem UFO was bogus (which it is) or something?". Of course Ben thought it was bogus. He wrote a whole article (an atricle which myself, along with a lot of other people, thought was completely bogus) stating that he thought the...

Lance, ok you're asking me to do the digging. Fair enough; I brought it up. Still, be more specific in your question. Example of what? Of Ben acting badly? Check the CBS news articles as a start. I don't fault Ben for being a believer or his viewpoints. But he should not attempt to disguise his...

[ Check some of the old ATS threads re the Jerusalem UFO; I don't know if they're still available. A lot appeared to have been taken offline. Check some of his 'answers' to my points (again regarding Jerusalem). Look at the comments section in the Ben's CBS article re Jerusalem. Again, the...

Yeah, well from my brief back & forth with Mr. Radford, I form a different opinion of him. I find Mr. Radford is not a skeptic. He is a believer. He uses his faith-based belief as any religious person would. He claims he performs his research scientifically. His approach, I found, is anything...

Very strange case. Not an unexpected outcome, but very strange. Keep in mind that our 'Command Sergeant Major' may be being manipulated by other people. Possibly he's just lost his marbles, but he comes off as too coherent for that explanation to hold weight. I find it hard to understand what...

Please do. I, for one, am interested.

Hmm...I think you are making an understatement. I would start by considering most of the earth's human population mentally ill to some degree and go from there.

Kieran, I think you misunderstand me. I am not asking anything of you. As a witness, you present your description and that is that. I am simply pointing out the need to identify the assumptions being made. I think you are reading more into my statements than intended.

What I stated in my last post was meant to be general, not necessarily applying to yourself or your particular experience. However, what I stated in my previous original post, is more specific and does apply; ie. that you are indeed making implicit assumptions when you ask why 'don't the aliens...

Kieran, it's not a question of being right or not. I think it is important to be careful and recognize the implicit assumptions we are making as humans when we try to analyse and make sense of this UFO situation. All of us making this attempt at understanding are human after all (though that in...

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