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Are you kidding, Gene? That is one hell of a serious breach of trust. Tyger, I got one pissy PM, to which I did not respond. No threats, but then no one here knows anything about me. Wow. Creepy.

I find it baffling (and fucking hilarious) that you see George as such an existential threat. I suspect there is some interesting psychology behind that. I'm serious about Streiber. All your high blown rhetoric applies to him, and he's far more dangerous than George. You've probably given George...

Who said being a mod should keep one from having an opinion? I have no trouble with Mike's deconstruction of George's claims and silly rationalizations. His "solution" to the dinner scenario, however, was over the line. The fact he is a moderator is certainly not beside the point. If you made...

I think it should have been closed, or at least effectively moderated, long ago.

Um, Marduk, have you read this thread? Mike's attitude and behavior in this thread are very disappointing to me, as he is usually a sensible and thoughtful person. George apparently pisses him off something awful, to the point he starts acting like a dick. That's all. He got called out on it...

Do you really think you or I would get away with calling anyone here an idiot? I know I wouldn't. Nor should I. Nor should a moderator. Especially a moderator. Remember the recent mess at MUFON? Remember why Ventre's behavior was unacceptable? Because he held a position of authority in the...

I have no agenda. I just don't like bullies. Especially self-righteous ones who abuse their positions.

I think you might be just about ready to take on someone your own size. Whitley Streiber is full of wild and dangerous claims, and he has a following. Instead of constant attacks on some old guy no one has heard of, why not protect us from a real menace? Think of the glory! You'll have to mount...

Mike should have banned him after he busted him. But then he would have had to stop beating this dead horse of a thread. Here is an example of how a professional deals with something as slimy and virulent as Michael Horn and his drooling minions. Those clowns make George look like, well, the...

George, please try to comprehend the difference between saying something like "As a matter of fact, the Shroud of Turin is a genuine relic of Christ's crucifixion," and "I'm just trying to get you to look at the recent research..." That's not the same thing. At all. Trying to legitimize the...

I'm worried about you, Mike. You are starting to remind me of that paragon of maturity, scholarship, civility and good will, Lance "Hold On While I Google That" Moody. I would say that I'm about to write you off as just another asshole, but not being a moderator, I'd never get away with it.

I'm starting to wonder just who you are trying to convince. Do you think you will beat a confession out of George? Do you think anyone here takes him seriously? What more do you hope to accomplish in this thread? If you are going to dish out harsh criticism on the internet, then you had better...

I'll just leave this right here, in case someone wants to use it for an avatar or something.

As Mike pointed out, context is important. I might have laughed at Mike's "solution" to George's claim if a group of us had been in a bar and the subject came up. On a public forum it's just mean. Is there some consequence to that particular claim? None that I can see. It's certainly far from...

Well, never say never and all that, but I think they might have squeezed all the cash out of this sordid little mess that it was good for. I only hope the mutilated remains get a decent burial.

That was pretty low, Mike. It only gave your opponent a valid opportunity to chastise you. That sort of thing diminishes everyone involved, and I would have expected better of you, especially as a moderator at this site. Yes, many of George's claims are obviously the stuff of fantasy. But even...

Oh good. I was just commenting to a friend the other day that I thought there wasn't enough childish, psychopathic bullshit on the internet.

Zed, we have a bug.

I'd really like to hear the show Gene was no doubt hoping for. Some of those arguments are older than I am. That type of show is usually fun and informative. Seems like they are usually also tribute shows, which may tend to keep the discussion focused better. Gene tried. And tried. And tried...

I don't recall who it was, but someone said he thought the bizarre calls Keel got while in the Point Pleasant area were the pranks of Barker and Mosley, and that Keel swallowed it hook line and sinker (I'm paraphrasing). Whoever it was apparently thought Keel was a complete dumbass. Anyway...