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  1. rwahrens

    Attack on Christianity? and other concepts I have a problem with.

    The "great thinkers" you refer to reached our modern age because the Vatican protected them! ...and the Roman/Greek gods' worship died out because the RCC ruthlessly stamped it out. Christianity has not withstood the test of time in nearly the way you assert. It "withstood" that test...
  2. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Bart D. Ehrman, Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why He notes that thousands of changes have been made in the bible, and cites dozens of sources to back up what he says. And, yes, he IS a "scholar"! Your assertion that they are virtually unchanged is sheer crap...
  3. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Uh, did you READ my post? I didn't say because of spirituality, but because he based his claims (NOT theory) on unverified, sketchy source material. Any idiot can assemble a decently thought out "explanation", and base it on some cock-eyed spiritual theory if it's based upon material that...
  4. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Most theoretical explanations for UFOs are predicated upon observations of UFO behavior and other observable facts. Observations CAN be debated and interpreted in many different ways, sure, which is why this field is so wide open. But Marzulli's claims are not only presented as fact, but he...
  5. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    LOL!! I just love the way major christian icons keep falling, one by one. Especially one like this that expose the rotten underbelly of the church. How many more have to fall before intelligent people start seeing the REAL light and dump these folks for good?
  6. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    tyder, The "group" calling itself atheist isn't really a group. It's sorta like calling everybody that doesn't believe in horoscopes "ahoroscopists"! We come from all walks of life, and encompass the entire spectrum of the political stage, not just liberals. So yes, there are those that deny...
  7. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    While I am an atheist (and David says he isn't), many people misunderstand what it is to be atheist. The literal meaning of the term implies that one is not theistic. What does that mean? To me, it means that I do not subscribe to any religious belief in a creator that needs to be worshiped...
  8. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Family trumps everything. Good night, David, sweet dreams!
  9. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    One more thing. This is something many Americans accuse Muslims of, but rarely link to their own lives. If you are put off by "that mess" and object to it, and possibly even think it is harmful to your religion, have you ever done anything to stop it? Have you urged your pastor to condemn...
  10. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

  11. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Speaking for me, I'll give anybody a chance that shows a modicum of real evidence. For the reasons I gave in previous posts, plus numerous additional reasons that would fill a book (literally!), if that one cites the bible for evidence of anything serious beyond what exists within the covers of...
  12. rwahrens

    Attack on Christianity? and other concepts I have a problem with.

    Uh, faith is another word for gullibility. That's another way of saying you believe someone that cannot prove what they say, yet you give over your fortune, good name etc., to the bling. The only difference between the victim of a human con man and you is that the "source" of your belief is...
  13. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Leaf, he's not going to. You notice he ignored all of us and addressed David? He has no answers, like most of the other "privileged" ones, so cannot provide a debate on the merits. All he can do is plead for "understanding" and a second look and insult those he cannot debate.
  14. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Where do you see that? The sparse references to a deity exist in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, and are in every respect consistent with the general religious belief of the day. There are numerous quotes available from numerous founders that refute your assertion that...
  15. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    Why can't we base morality on what people have based it on for thousands of years? On how our actions affect other human beings. Actions that promote the welfare of the group are good, and actions that are anti-social or harmful are not. That's pretty basic, but you get the idea. Humans have...
  16. rwahrens

    Attack on Christianity? and other concepts I have a problem with.

    IF you are talking about religious views here, read on, if not, I apologize. (and not to hijack the thread) But where are the tons of data? How can one "research" the unprovable? I am sure that the Roman and Greek worlds had a couple of thousand years of thought behind their gods, too, but...
  17. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    rcfish, I am as devoted to our Constitutional principle of religious freedom as the next guy, and will never deny you or anyone the right to believe whatever horsesh*t you wish. BUT, while I will do that, I will ridicule, disprove, revile and refute any IDEAS that cannot be backed up by real...
  18. rwahrens

    May 31, 2009

    I'm almost like the guys that wanted to run screaming from the room at about the 30 minute mark. Unfortunately, it was on my iPhone, and it would have followed me out of the room! No help there... I was willing to listen, tho. Everybody deserves their chance at that famous 15 minutes...
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