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So the physical is the foundation of the phenomenal -- I think that is a truism. The word is "physical" and we are "conscious"...what's the problem? I think the real problem is that most have a very narrow notion of what is physical. Agents create models...you can't just throw in a ">"...

Just responding to the abstract here which I find most amusing: "Functions of consciousness have been elusive due to the subjective nature of consciousness and ample empirical evidence showing the presence of many nonconscious cognitive performances in the human brain. " (1)...

I was actually going to write that very sentence and realized something like an infinite regress and decided on some silly whimsical finishing move on the chain. But I think it gets closer to the problem--the hard problem even. Agents doing such modelling cannot exist with externals that have...

Agent may be thought of as something that acts in place of a group of other somethings (i.e. other agents?) Agents that generate models of the world that include themselves and retroactively act in place with respect to a component nearest to their ____ (base bare metal functioning?) . The...

Or for the second revised is "Agents that generate models of a world that includes themselves and retroactively assign the term "agent" to a particular component that appears to be the generator? Agent definition falls back on itself as well as the statement above..." Bees "possess" as in the...

"Schizophrenic autism is not a "normal healthy" situation, so although it's interesting as a tangent, it's not relevant to the point." We can [on the contrary] learn much from deviations from what is considered "normal" or "healthy" -- within these "tangents" we can deconstruct and observe...

It is necessary to dispense with the functional model precisely because our minds use this model to understand it's embedded "existence" in the world which brought about both. But to dispense with it is to actually expand on the sheath of reality which allowed such models to arrive...to study...

So all this time the entire discussion runs in circles because of the question why is it [i.e. we? or you? or some other ...] conscious? Damn "why" questions....where's my wine bottle.

On the contrary, the observation of "abnormalities" identified may actually point to clues that will help us understand the "normal functioning"--it may even help us dispense with a purely functional model of consciousness ;)

Yes :)

But we do know the interplay of structures beneath these examples...what we call "know" is probably useless as it pertains only to our own current notions of what it really means to have the experience of knowing. Communication between units that comprise a full self-ascertaining "unit" or does...

It's the "in conjunction" with the "care and nurturing" obtained in their development. Agreed because I think this is contained in my "others like themselves." I didn't clearly indicate the importance of the "others like themselves" in my original statement, so it makes sense that it would be...

The "Singularity" is such that is experienced between the very pin-point arriving at a particular human like yourself...the experience "seems" at first to arrive without another being... Example: newborns and their pure selfishness till they pick up on the vast word of others like...

Can we say the same about the componenents of pre-intersubjectivity (which of course include "the" prereflective)? A quick note: the term pre-intersubjectivity will fall on our subjectively deaf ears...laughter ensues

"we should expect that if consciousness is a trait of one human, it's probably a trait of all humans " Without consciousness there is no theory of mind....but on the other hand without theory of mind (intersubjectivity) there can be no consciousness

hmmm...are you aware that I broke your OR into (1) and (2)...I tried not to paraphrase. "[1]Do you mean to claim that all human consciousnesses are 'deluded' into thinking that their personal consciousness is radically different from and isolated from the consciousnesses of others, leading to...

"Singularity" as opposed to something like the opposite of what really must be the background of the same...something like intersubjectivity despite the chronological advent of the term in our vocabulary must take place before any "Singularity" emerges as a kind of necessary finality ...that's...

The plurality of unmentionables comes from my own experience of laughing at something extremely funny...the reason I throw the word "unmentionables" (plurality is important here) is that my sensation of laughing comes at the very tail end where language cannot express the full meanng. Laughter...

(1) all human consciousnesses are 'deluded' into thinking that their personal consciousness is radically different from and isolated from the consciousnesses of others, leading to general denial of, or failure to achieve, precisely the intersubjectivity that most of us do experience in our...

yes. [logical OR]