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Indeed...I may have overcomplicated these matters.

The concept of function is rather trivial within our manifold of experience...the problem occurs when you apply this concept to explain the manifold that brought the concept into being. What I am trying to say is that our "concepts" are weak tools because the very thing we are trying to...

Let me step in an say that the entire concept of function depends on a framework which cannot be fully comprehended in such a concept..."functional" as a black box converting inputs to outputs must rely on the ability to view the function within a larger framework of being-in-the-world. We...

I think I overstated ... it isn't as if consciousness and the "model-generation" are actual seperate things. I think your illustration is better. Better is the realization of those prereflective primitives brought to light within our interpretation/comprehension/understanding with respect to...

Well on the second part regarding "full satisfaction" I was referring to something like an "itch" that cannot be removed in our own thinking regarding consciousness--I guess I expected (based on the length of this discussion) that not many (including myself) in this thread are satisfied with our...

An interesting question, Constance: "So the brain begins to interact with its projected models/concepts of self and world? At what point in the biological evolution of consciousness does this process begin? Also, you say that matter and consciousness “are the same field(s).” I take it you mean...

No...experiencing does not, I agree, but the experienc-er trying to pin down itself might be like a snake expecting to disappear by eating itself. I therefore think that the experiencer cannot adequately answer to itself with full satisfaction (again, to itself) regarding the nature of it's own...

One might say the same about "artificial intelligience"--i.e. that "ya'll have spent too much time playing around with AI..." except that I think that AI is redundant...all intelligence dwells in the artificial literally. A being that makes its own being an issue to itself is a kind of...

...and now imagine the snake wants to vanish by consuming itself

yes...that's a close enough approximation of what I was getting at; probably more useful in fact...

It appears that I need to be schooled. :) If you genuinely think this will help I will spend my entire free time reading....

A thinks itself conscious as a model of itself constructed as "A"...A forgets it's own assumptions about constructing "A" and begins anew (as if suffering from amnesia)...a model cannot be conscious unless it presents itself as another autonomous entity...deconstruct the word "autonomous" and...

No...lol...it was just IT...I sometimes capitalize words as a way of emphasizing "their" importance in a sentence or proposition which I construct...much like the way I just added quotes to their (my brain refuses to add quotes here...double quotes would be misleading) in this sentence...which...

Or that the "units of measure" are specially crafted by the generator of the units. I get the "point" "A comment on..." --> who or what is doing the commenting Consciousness creates models of interdependent entities...how in the world will IT apply such models to itself?

"Despite great progress in our scientific understanding of the brain, we still don't have even the beginnings of an explanation of how complex electrochemical signaling is somehow able to give rise to the inner subjective world of colors, sounds, smells and tastes that each of us knows in our...

Why questions come from the same entity that is asking the "why"...a snake cannot swallow itself and expect to disappear.

Quoted from https://www.livescience.com/does-consciousness-pervade-the-universe.html "It might be important to clarify what I mean by "consciousness," as that word is actually quite ambiguous. Some people use it to mean something quite sophisticated, such as self-awareness or the capacity to...

The put it bluntly our philosophy of mind is created by our minds...our attempt to explain consciousness to ourselves is based on an already accepted foundation of "unquestioning" which is necessary for our consciousness [to exist? silly word already taken by the very thing we are trying to explain]

Existence may depending on the very engine that generates consciousness and its fictional "mental" and "non-mental" "states" In other words, when we say "state" we have already assumed a basis of that which we are trying to show.

Because I deduce that consciousness depends on this very division of "felt" vs "unfelt" states in a model constructed by consciousness. So trying to explain to our ourselves why and how some are "felt" vs "unfelt" may actually be a snake eating its own tail and expecting to disappear...