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Alleged proof UFOs are real, not proof of what they are. One could claim advanced ETs could do it, or maybe it's just a hologram. If it comes from the Navy that would be calling them liars. More immediate, but longterm nothing is bigger.:)

😀 The interim goal is just to inure us to the reality of "visitors." Not until the process is well advanced, or consummated, will we be deemed ready for full disclosure, or indisputable proof. Prior to that, the result would be negative psychological reactions, and premature overthrow of the...

Did they tell the crash story prior to the '80s? If so, who remembers them doing so? If memory serves the trinity case didn't become known until after 2000, one to two decades after Roswell came back to life so to speak. Sounds ridiculous. Mantid aliens aren't the same as greys. So he has no...

😀 No, I don't think so.

If they wanted us dead I don't think we'd be discussing this right now.;) It appears the party in the best position to know the truth, the US government, is not overly concerned. The work I mentioned previously describes alien motives and operations and considers them perfectly comprehensible.

Occasionally aliens have been violent. It isn't just abduction and mutilation cases, and disappearances. People have been assaulted by aliens.

I disagree. We know about what was ordered in the early '50s, which wasn't very much earlier than '45. If what you say happened actually did, there should be some corroboration, maybe an old diary. It's hard to believe there would be no documentary evidence (or witness testimony) whatsoever for...

Assuming their eyesight was good they should've seen they were hairy and any kid their age would've known what a monkey was, even if that technically wasn't the same as a chimp. Note the pic upthread; you can easily see the arms, legs and head are hairy. I know a NASA uniform wasn't necessarily...

This is exactly what one work, The Alien Grand Design, says about Roswell. Strange that Vallee spoke of these possibilities in regards to a more dubious case…. There are two possibilities. Baca has no credibility or he saw something quite unlike chimps. I think it's most likely he, like a...

If people had been used for testing I'd concur but animals were deemed expendable. There should the some documentation available. And I don't think any witness with normal intelligence, even a kid, would fail to recognize a chimp (or think it was an alien).

Nevertheless the outward appearance of a chimp is markedly different from a human and easy to recognize. Shouldn't we expect similar documentation for use of a chimp in '45, had this occurred? Surely it wouldn't still be top secret after all these years. Or even if it were lost isn't there any...

:) I don't think he does. Like a host of other agents Grusch seeks to lose credibility, hence drag the gov't coverup/crashed saucer notion down with him.

😄 A "disc suspended from a balloon" was most definitely not what Brazel and others found at the ranch. IIRC it pertains to some other alleged case. I think there will be, albeit not for quite some time and only after radical, requisite changes. The Alien Grand Design gets into that at length...

😄 Essentially the same old tactic: appear to reveal the truth then effectively hide it by making patently false or outlandish claims, causing people to dismiss the whole idea of a coverup.

"100% not human"--exactly what the phenomenon has wanted us to think and gone to great lengths to ensure we do. That is, aliens are real and here.

Have you seen KDR's books, like Understanding Roswell ? For many years he has exhaustively investigated all the prosaic "explanations" and nothing works. The skeptics focused on MOGUL not that "disc suspended from a balloon." But even MOGUL has been disposed of.

Over the years there have been many reports of weird looking humanoids. And conspicuous objects descending before crashing or landing.

Na, I've long been fascinated by the idea of alien visitors hence "want to believe" but realize many reports are fabrications. Depends on how much integrity he has. For a long time I disliked the impact theory of dinosaur extinction but ultimately realized I had to accept it. The evidence for...

Shandera said he received it in December 1984. Disinfo put out by AFOSI. One work, The Alien Grand Design, has an interesting take on the purpose of the EBD, and similar, deliberately leaked fakes.

Great post by KDR. Grusch's story is just the latest in a long line of tales lacking corroboration. I believe the US has wreckage and bodies but we shouldn't believe every story we hear. The bulk of them are nonsense, probably intended to discredit the whole crash-rertrieval field.