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I think there's too much over-thinking this whole thing (though I recognize some have a fetish for that so to each his own). People like me that I know and have discussed this with think it's simple perception management to cover classified stuff. No need for us to go on and on and on and on...

Are we sure we truly know what AATIP was all about? Yes, he could very well have worked the program on behalf of/with/for DoD. That's not the issue. The issue is the public interpretation of all this.

I don't question his background or his resume. I'm saying I suspect a perception management element to it.

Having worked in counterespionage operations and in counterintelligence for several years, and having worked with CIA personnel etc, I come from a position of skepticism where Elizondo's actual role in all this is concerned. My associates and I from a perspective inside that world all have a...

Can I 'love' this comment? 'Like' isn't enough.

:rolleyes:

None of it is as important as we let ourselves think.

I'm always amused at the conversation about UFOs veering into what a pile of shit humanity is, assuming the ETs are oh so beyond us in every way, especially morally and ethically, etc. LOL :D

Classified unmanned/manned space operations could actually explain as much as the ETH (some would argue more). And I don't think ufology is less 'left field' than the paranormal field, though I agree that the field does need some housecleaning, as does ufology. I think we here are open to...

Even though I agree that some of the arguments made in the 'Reframing' circle are arguably flawed, I think the point of the whole thing is that the ETH proponents can often be as flawed in their dedication to it being the answer. The ETH is not as solid an explanation in all cases as some think...

You know, the fact is that MUFON doesn't belong to any of us. It's a private organization and its leadership can make it whatever they want it to be. Sure, members will come and go as an organization changes, but MUFON will have to weather that like any other. It also has to expect the criticism...

I often agree with Colavito's commentary, though certainly not always. However, his ageist remarks regarding 'Curse of Oak Island' make him look like the wrong kind asshole. He's correct on DeLonge, of course. We'll all simply have to endure this running its course, like with Goode and Wilcock...

I'm not Walter Bosley but I'm logged in as him somehow. Overcoming the temptation to do something hilarious with this opportunity is taking a Herculean effort on my part, I'll have you know =D

Yeah, MKULTRA really turned the USAF on, back in the 50s. I didn't know how much until I did research on my book. Five of the above are exactly what they were pursuing forty years prior to that publication you cite, so no wonder they seemed so confident with the list.

I see a few possibilities. Either he's being used as a useful idiot to spin perception management, or the way he spins things is not how it happened, i.e. he's the nerdy guy tugging on the sleeves of people and they humored him. What I also see are some retirees looking at an opportunity to...

Should be good.

I'll listen to the show and probably have some comment. I see that reincarnation was brought up.

So...DeLonge has NOTHING we've never heard before...right?

Ah...intention. Yes.

Good lordy, this is a first for me. I have never agreed with so many of you guys on anything as I do this DeLonge nonsense. If they end up with a show on Gaia, I won't be surprised. :D