What is your pet case?

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The suggestion was that perhaps the experience was more internal and the product of sleep paralysis and the distorted nightmarish versions of reality that accompany those experiences. If you've never truly gone through sleep paralysis and their intense visions you have no friggin' idea just how absolutely real it all feels. It's not like being in a dream at all - it is far more tangible, ohysically threatening and backed up with an immense amount of sensory detail.

Perhaps like the Night Hag.

Night hag - Wikipedia

On a different note, another pet of mine is named Stephenville.

 

[Burnt State]

On a different note, another pet of mine is named Stephenville.

Probably the last great, genuine multi-witness UFO sighting we've had in the modern era. It prompted me to do some research and outside of these navy sightings, which are being processed through very select witnesses, there really hasn't been a lot of very significant sightings in the last 25 years - just a handful really, including the O'Hare airport incident.

And if you try to look for UFO sightings that include occupants you have to go all the way back to Varginha in 1996. The phenomena certainly shifts and changes over time.

 

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Probably the last great, genuine multi-witness UFO sighting we've had in the modern era. It prompted me to do some research and outside of these navy sightings, which are being processed through very select witnesses, there really hasn't been a lot of very significant sightings in the last 25 years - just a handful really, including the O'Hare airport incident.

And if you try to look for UFO sightings that include occupants you have to go all the way back to Varginha in 1996. The phenomena certainly shifts and changes over time.

In this case you have a pilot (Steve Allen) with a clear view in witnessing the unknown along with his buddies. He was so disturbed after the event he went home to be with his family in thinking the end was near. Additionally, he sought out his minister. Furthermore, radar reports verified Allen’s account of the direction of the unknown with the unknown at one point at a stand still and then accelerating practically instantaneously to Mach 2.02 or 1,500 mph. To top it all off, the woman who fired Joiner from the Empire Tribune later allegedly witnessed the unknown along with her daughter.

Ricky Sorrels (below) a welder by profession briefly shares his alleged experience. The experiencer claimed in not seeking the limelight and was reluctant to come forward. He alleges having interactions with whom he thinks were the ABCs in attempting to intimidate him with one leaving a bullet near his home one evening.

 

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You can all go home now and “dust off your bibles” (Kid Rock), as the UFO mystery has been solved!

… and all of our musings were just for nothing.

JD Vance says he was 'obsessed' with UFOs, believes aliens are actually 'demons'

 

[Burnt State]

I watched the doc you posted, and a few minutes in was reminded I had seen this one before, and watched it all over again. The vivid descriptions are absolutely outstanding. The witness response, as always, is intense. They describe an intelligently controlled technology way beyond our capacity, enormous and magical - truly.

(Anyways I'm going to make this into a pet peeve about ufology - does that qualify as a kind of pet case? I apologize if it looks long winded but I think it's important. As a pet case I bring up Portage County 1966 which is a critical one for me for a number of reasons.)

Each time I watch this doc I am taken by the Angela Joiner part of the story, and how the pursuit of the UFO can be very self destructive. She lost her job as the main reporter of this event. It is a destabilizing agent to be certain. We have seen examples of this across decades of ufology. It pushes people beyond their own capacities, can make them obsessed and/or paranoid, and even shunned from society. Why is it such a repeated theme in ufology, how profoundly it impacts some of the people most involved in it?! I'm also thinking here of contactees and how many of them moved further into fantasy.

People's careers, livelihoods etc. are ruined like poor Deputy Sheriff Dale Spaur, from Portage County 1966, and his later relationship with the UFO named Floyd. He lost his job, his wife, his home - everything. There are so many different law enforcement officers who dare to bear witness to the UFO and are treated miserably. The people of the town once burned a hanging effigy of a law enforcement officer outside his house after reporting a UFO.

Maybe we are not meant to study it or seek answers from it, but just admire it. Call it sky art and be amazed. Many witnesses report everything from apocalyptic fear to a stunned disbelief and great unease. Being near them seems to be always fairly life altering. Just like getting up close to Bigfoot.

This is a photo snapped of the UFO Dale Spaur chased across two states. It's not a nothing burger. It's a high impact event. Is the paranormal meant to be both awe inspiring and totally dangerous at the same time? I don't think it's indifferent. I think it's on purpose. UFOs are hands down the best air shows ever seen in a lifetime. It calls attention to itself. Sometimes It dresses like monsters and scares the hell out of people. Is that saying "Stay Away" in big letters?

 

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I watched the doc you posted, and a few minutes in was reminded I had seen this one before, and watched it all over again. The vivid descriptions are absolutely outstanding. The witness response, as always, is intense. They describe an intelligently controlled technology way beyond our capacity, enormous and magical - truly.

Here, I found as almost irrefutable, and indelible

Each time I watch this doc I am taken by the Angela Joiner part of the story, and how the pursuit of the UFO can be very self destructive. She lost her job as the main reporter of this event. It is a destabilizing agent to be certain.

Speaking of the late Mr. and Mrs. Joiner there is an occurrence you’ve probably never heard of. And that case in known as the Oregon Bob case. In this case there was Vertical Horizons Studio here in Portland Oregon who went out (allegedly via Oregon Bob) and videoed orbs described with faces within, and at one point struck a cameraman to the ground disabling their batteries in the Oregon Coast Mountain range. It was a fantastical narrative. I decided to contact Frank Warren (great guy) in asking him what he knew. Up until this very moment I promised to keep our dialogue private. The only reason in sharing now is that the Joiners are long deceased. It was supposedly a juicy case where NIDS became involved. The Joiners purchased their own airfare to come to Portland. They weren’t tremendously well off, but Mrs. Joiner was chasing the Ufological dragon. Once arriving, they both were made to lie on a van floor where they would venture west toward the Oregon coast. Along the way Mrs. Joiner (for some reason) believed there was a black triangle above, possibly following them.

As it turns out, Oregon Bob was most likely mentally disturbed and the whole thing became a bust.

As far as Vertical Horizon Studios is concerned, they went belly up.

In response to your posting, I am in total agreement with you, as this stuff can mess one up.

 

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this stuff can mess one up

And yet people chase. Some give up their lives for the chase, make chasing into a religion, a lifestyle, a way of being.

Though, I can understand how the desire to meet and see the alien other, to witness the monster in the woods, to be the contactee - there's a lot of appeal to the world of magic.

Sometimes people have no choice..They get chosen by some incarnation of the trickster to have an experience, and that's that. Their life is screwed.


But then no one really gets to choose what may befall you in a lifetime. You can try to steer the ship, but sometimes the rocks are unavoidable, other times you can't help but street yourself towards the rocks. Me, I just like doodling around in a kayak these days, far away from people and any large, open and unpredictable waters. Chasing UFOs is a sucker's game.

 

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Chasing UFOs is a sucker's game.

Chasing down a rainbow, and then tackling a leprechaun for his pot of gold may provide as more worthwhile.

 

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So far, the elephant in the “pet case” room may be the infamous ranch known as Skinwalker. Whereas, I have little doubt that Bradon Fugal is monetizing the place (along with the History Channel) possibly turning it into a KOA campground for his fancy folks, as this narrative goes on, and on, and on. Year after year, after year.

 

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I think the idea of a KOA paranormal family campground seems quite feasible as I can see a lot of singing of UFO songs around the campfire and making saucer styled s'mores.

Skinwalker was best rendered by O'Brien followed by the NIDS research and published documents which were fascinating reading. Vallee and Knapp still keep talking about the video that's looking at the surveillance equipment being paranormally sabotaged, but where the hell is that video? And whatever happened to that giant creature that crawled over onto our side through a portal? Is it working at a local Denny's?

Skinwalker has been reduced to what most of the paranormal and UFO understandings get distilled down to - a pile of really interesting stories that have nothing solid you can hold onto. If there is no mechanism for these stories to be explained alongside real evidence then all you really have is speculative fodder for crappy TV shows.

What followed Skinwalker was a series of interesting hotspots of paranormal/UFO activity i.e. Marley Woods with Ted Phillips, who is now dead, and there's nothing really to show for it all. There's never much to show is there? It's very disappointing and entirely unfulfilling.

 

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I think the idea of a KOA paranormal family campground seems quite feasible as I can see a lot of singing of UFO songs around the campfire and making saucer styled s'mores.

… and the glampers could pull their RVs right up next to the bait pens where the family’s children and pets may frolic into the evening.

Vallee and Knapp still keep talking about the video that's looking at the surveillance equipment being paranormally sabotaged, but where the hell is that video?

I believe there was a video clip showing a power light on the camera going off at the time the wiring was being ripped from the pole. Apparently, whatever creature it was alleged to have been was invisible to the other cameras.

And whatever happened to that giant creature that crawled over onto our side through a portal? Is it working at a local Denny's?

Yes indeed, It was briefly employed at Denny’s then detained by ICE and then sent back though the portal.

 

[Randall]

The 1952 Washington DC UFO Flap​

 

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FWIW, for anyone interested, here's three episodes of the Joiner Report and the saga of Oregon Bob. It's pretty amazing how so many were lead astray by those just wanting to make a buck.

Mixcloud

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TheOtherNoise - The Joiner Report - Oregon Bob Saga - Part 3 | Mixcloud

 

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FWIW, for anyone interested, here's three episodes of the Joiner Report and the saga of Oregon Bob. It's pretty amazing how so many were lead astray by those just wanting to make a buck.

Mixcloud

www.mixcloud.com

Mixcloud

www.mixcloud.com

TheOtherNoise - The Joiner Report - Oregon Bob Saga - Part 3 | Mixcloud

This is really an interesting examination of what UFO belief and desire for proof will do to people. This whole paranormal thing and trying to figure it out is rarely a healthy passtime once you really start investing yourself in it. I really appreciate the heavy hitters who have invested large amounts of personal years in documenting and examining it: Fort, Vallee, and Clark have meant the most to me.. I know there are many other great writers in the field who also maintained a fairly clear head throughout their tenure.

But there have been many afflictions as well, and you see personal disruption in the general acrimony that has polluted the field. Vallee, I'm not too sure about though these days....Keel went dark later on in life. What else is an aging demonologist to do? Raymond Fowler claimed later to be an abductee after so much investigation into the field, as did Mike Clelland here on the Paracast (I felt sad for him listening to that), and, much moreso, Karla Turner, who I always felt was buzzing with a wildly mad energy, as were her books. George Hansen has documented the great degree of personal chaos that besets many who investigate this field. In some cases it can cost you your life.

Two Men Found Dead While Looking for Bigfoot

When I first heard about this event I identified with the guys going out on an adventure after partying over the holiday period. I have inspired snow show journeys through deep unknown woods with my dad's crew of guys as a late New Year's outing. We all survived because we knew well enough when to turn around and head back where there was food,, more booze, warmth and general safety. We weren't lured out looking for an unknown, and possibly mystical, hominid creature as an impossible goal. I think it's the impossible part of the paranormal that messes with our rationality. We are never going to figure it out. We should perhaps not take it all too seriously, or let it affect our real lives negatively in any way.

 

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Really good posting and narrative Mr. State. Where do you find the time to offer this, or is it the Clint Eastwood in you?

Originally, I became interested in this stuff in approx. 1995 as a dare from an educated friend who listened to C2C. After some time and grief, I discovered Gene, Biedny, and Vallee.

Beyond what phenomena presents as, what fascinates is both cults and belief systems in relation to cultural context, both past and present. Essential, is a strong moral compass tethered to a critical lense in separating signal from noise in keeping grounded.

Make no mistake Mr. State, this particular forum backwater is best for most everyday folks to share their experiences, and opinions as not to be misconstrued while attending the international Jean Gebser consciousness symposium, whereas once a presenter invited me (all expenses paid) to attend in SF CA, however declined as feeling unworthy. That said, attendees may glean something from this incredibly steeped and diverse forum.

Irrespective of whether or not ET is involved, with the “woo” discounted, multi dimensionality of time may just be a worthwhile avenue of exploration.

Viewed currently, we are merely autumn leaves which have fallen from trees in attempting to grasp the branches leading to the trunk whose roots lie deep beneath the ground.

BTW, I’ve read the other impressions you’ve posted and agree.

 

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Where do you find the time to offer this, or is it the Clint Eastwood in you?

I like writing. I have spare time. I also get to have late nights if I like to shoot from the hip.

I discovered Gene, Biedny, and Vallee.

Vallee was first year University.. The library was enormous in infinite ways compared to the small Northern Ontario City library I grew up with. I found Passport To Magonia and that blew everything wide open. This began my second wave of UFO contemplation. After graduation I was more interested in making money and my girlfriend, who later b came my wife. Following two big deaths in my life I ran into Gene and David..That began the most involved period, phase three. I'm in Phase IV now.

the international Jean Gebser consciousness symposium, whereas once a presenter invited me (all expenses paid) to attend in SF CA, however declined as feeling unworthy. That said, attendees may glean something from this incredibly steeped and diverse forum.

Do you wish now you had gone and would that have changed things? Didn't know Gebser. Thanks.

This forum has interesting historical value and was once super dynamic. Now I feel like we're in a lot of empty space.

Irrespective of whether or not ET is involved, with the “woo” discounted, multi dimensionality of time may just be a worthwhile avenue of exploration.

Call me when we begin to understand how to participate in dimensions beyond the one we are limited to. They appear to defy physics altogether, so anything is possible really. It's all quite beyond us. So far our tech has produced limited analysis. We still.know mostly nothing about the phenomenon.

I think all we can do is study witnesses, the effects on them, and we can study the narratives and descriptions of what they get up to which is mostly "absurd by design" as RPJ would say.. I think critical analysis should be able to discern if they are local NHI or an off planet intelligence. The phenomena seems to specialize in smoke and mirrors.

Viewed currently, we are merely autumn leaves which have fallen from trees in attempting to grasp the branches leading to the trunk whose roots lie deep beneath the ground.

That's poetry. Well done. It feels Fortean. The other big thing we can do with UFO's is to think imaginatively using many disciplines to create new ideas, methodologies and art. I've noticed there's a lot more art making related to UFO's over the decades.

 

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I like writing. I have spare time. I also get to have late nights if I like to shoot from the hip.

You have the knowledge and ability to bring meaningful thoughts to the table which is appreciated.

After graduation I was more interested in making money and my girlfriend, who later b came my wife

You know when you’ve married well when your spouse shares your passion for the mysteries which are beyond us. Again, I feel Jacques has seemingly lost his way as of late.

Following two big deaths in my life I ran into Gene and David..That began the most involved period, phase three. I'm in Phase IV now.

If not mistaken, I remember you posting about your father’s death by drowning. Perhaps, I’m incorrect. If so, have you ever thought of contacting him?

Do you wish now you had gone and would that have changed things? Didn't know Gebser.

Not at all, as my view is that even the most enlightened have not been able to ascertain what has occurred before what is commonly know as the “big bang”, as I somewhat think of our existence and universe as an ouroboros. Additionally, they’re a hell of a lot brighter than I could ever hope to be.

This forum has interesting historical value and was once super dynamic. Now I feel like we're in a lot of empty space.

True. Over the years members have died, became disenchanted, or perhaps disapprove of the political landscape. This place would be buzzing if they only knew of the historical value which has been laid bare with Gene’s ventures. Someday, you’ll type in The Paracast, and it will be gone, and with it all of the forum postings, episodes, and camaraderie. So, enjoy this time while it lasts!

 

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So, enjoy this time while it lasts!

Oh — it's been quite the trip alright

 

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I remember you posting about your father’s death by drowning. Perhaps, I’m incorrect. If so, have you ever thought of contacting him?

Definitely not. He has appeared in my dreams on some rare occasions and that's been as shocking as seeing a UFO. Recently I listened to a podcast on Ouija and they talked about the difference between North America and the East when in comes to talking to the dead. From spiritualism to Ouija boards brought to you by Hasbro, we see talking to the dead as an everyday event. On the East it is seen as a sacred act and not a game or anything trivial. Our western ancient myths require us to sacrifice some sheep to feed blood to the dead so we can have a chat with our dead parents.

I used to be an avid Ouija user and now decades later and retired, I have very clear lines drawn between the living and the dead. I think we should both stick to our respective lanes and it's better for each to focus on their respective states of being.

Over the years members have died, became disenchanted, or perhaps disapprove of the political landscape. This place would be buzzing if they only knew of the historical value which has been laid bare with Gene’s ventures. Someday, you’ll type in The Paracast, and it will be gone, and with it all of the forum postings, episodes, and camaraderie. So, enjoy this time while it lasts!

I came back because of nostalgia and wanted to see if there was anyone that had some good UFO dialogue or new ideas about the great conundrum. I'm hoping we will continue to explore ideas openly to see if there's anything that can still be squeezed out of the phenomena that could be something tangible.

Oh — it's been quite the trip

Been a lot of bumps in the road....and a lot of different personalities that have floated through the airwaves and across the forums. I feel a little like we just got off the rollercoaster ride and now we're wandering around the fairgrounds a little dazed and confused wondering where everyone else is.

They're have been some legends and giants in the field that have appeared on this show. Where have all those voices gone? I kinda feel like the whole UFO thing is starting to fade. Those big voices and big personalities really helped to magnify and define the discussion from their fixed perspectives. They're all gone and I'm not really hearing any new voices that are defining territory in any significant way that is steering the discussion.

I'll make that my pet peeve more than a pet case.

Who are the new voices that you feel are worth paying attention to as Vallee starts to fade away? There's still Nick Redfern but he's more of a Brad Steiger explorer of many ideas than anything focussed. Pasulka has introduced a historical religious connection as well as opened up the invisible college in a more public manner and there's a lot of UFO Big Studies organizations that promote a lot of nebulous ideology without anything much that is tangible to hold onto.

That's my big pet peeve, that ufology has moved towards the cloudy unknown and no one is really steering the discussion towards anything specific. Sure there's a lot of talk about the immaterial and honoring the role of the imaginary, the irrational, and the non-material - but what does that all add up to?

There's not even cases that come forward with a clear sense of wonder with a wow factor that makes you go - jeez, that really sounds like a UFO.

 

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That's my big pet peeve, that ufology has moved towards the cloudy unknown and no one is really steering the discussion towards anything specific.

Ufology is moving into the Postmodern era — the "Once upon a time" era, consisting mainly of myth and legend from the Golden days. The firsthand witnesses from the Modern Era who are still alive might very well be the last generation to experience the real deal.

I digress — But I have an increasingly bad feeling about humanity's future, with trillionaires and the CCP tooling-up to create an entire race of intelligent slaves. Didn't we learn anything from Star Trek? It's happening right now in front of us in today's world. This is Icarus flying too close to the Sun.

Humanity is so caught-up in its own arrogance — thinking it's the biggest threat to the planet & playing God by creating a new kind of life in its own image — forgetting that Mother Nature seems to have a habit of putting even the mightiest beasts in their place — I have a very bad feeling — a very bad feeling indeed. Like something big is going to smack us all down — completely out of left field.

Or not . . . I dunno . . . maybe this is how the old people felt in the 1700s, after they invented the steam engine