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Ridiculous theories that the author know's is bogus but perpetuates

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Creepy Green Light

Creepy Green Light

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It seems like more & more everyone & there mother has their own theory on specific UFO cases or events like 9/11. I wonder how many of the supposed theories are bogus and the researcher/author/person knows it but aggressively perpetuates it because they know there are a lot of gullible/stupid people on this earth that will buy into it (figuratively & literally). Why can't 9/11 be that radical muslims hijacked planes and crashed them into targets? And thats it? Why does it have to be a conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy? It's like a lot of these authors/researchers have the minds of science fiction writers and are basically writing a sci fi story - accept they perpetrate it as if it's valid - on any level. How many of them know it's complete b.s. but do this on purpose in order to sell books/materials/tickets to speaking events?

One can go on for days and days and days going through the mountain of ridiculous theories & ideas. What's most amazing is that people are taken in by this. I suppose some things could be an inside job or conspiracy. But not every single event that happens is. Yet some people with wild imaginations write books/blogs, etc. knowing that fools will trip over themselves to purchase it and believe it. It's like a feeding frenzy with cart blanche for the writers/authors. The mentality is almost like "Hey, if people are willing to believe (and put their life on the line) that a flying saucer is trailing the Hale Bopp comet then there are suckers that will buy & believe anything."

I'm just overly tired of the ridiculous conspiracy theories. I'm always open minded to realistic scenarios - but I'd wish the outlandish ones didn't exist and would just go away.
 
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Perhaps the reason for so many 'ridiculous conspiracy theories' is that no one has been arrested or punished for those 9/11 crimes. If you spend billions on security and you can't round up those involved then you open yourself up to every theory on what happened.

I wouldn't blame the gullible or those who make up those theories. Rather, look to those who are supposed to protect this country. They couldn't or didn't want to round up those responsible.
 
But there is much to suggest Bin Laden was dead long before the raid and this information comes from militants themselves (among other sources) so you have to ask yourself if at least some parts of this whole thing went down they way we are told by our government why would be the motive for the Taliban to say otherwise?
 
Wade said:
But there is much to suggest Bin Laden was dead long before the raid and this information comes from militants themselves (among other sources) so you have to ask yourself if at least some parts of this whole thing went down they way we are told by our government why would be the motive for the Taliban to say otherwise?
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I don't know if it's just my nature or if flying in the U.S. Navy as a Combat Aircrewman for 5 years has anything to do with it - but I believe 9/11 was just what we all saw; radical muslims hijacking planes & crashing them into structures. Then many years later, U.S. Navy Seals taking out Bin Laden in Pakistan. Story over - in my eyes.

I did hold a SECRET clearance the entire time I was in the Navy - mostly because I had to know how to load, arm, and fly with a B57 nuclear depth bomb.
 
Well the one element of this whole thing that has bothered me was how woefully out of place our military was to intercept any marauders, that they were out on a previously scheduled training maneuver. would this have been common knowledge? could it not have been that someone ( a mole) knew of this in advance covertly and decided 911 was "go day" ?
 
Creepy_Green_Light said:
Last I knew Bin Laden has been killed and everyone on board each airplane died in the incident.
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And what about those who were behind the hijackers? It wasn't just a dozen or so terrorists operating on their own. Someone had to support them with money. I haven't heard any stories about those individuals being brought to justice.
 
DaveM said:
And what about those who were behind the hijackers? It wasn't just a dozen or so terrorists operating on their own. Someone had to support them with money. I haven't heard any stories about those individuals being brought to justice.
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Agreed. But I'm talking about the people that think the ridiculous; Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks, Bush was in cahoots with Bin Laden, UFO's & aliens caused 9/11, a jet didn't strike the Pentagon but instead, it was a missle, etc. etc. Again, all the conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy nonsense is what I'm mainly talking about.

And I'm also talking about authors, researchers, bloggers, etc. that know these theories are ridiculous but they also know that the public is stupid and will not only buy into them, but will aggressively support them. No matter how ridiculous, there will be believers (Billy Meier, George Adamski, Linda Cortile, etc.)
 
I do see merit in your conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy point though CGL, but that's to be expected I feel. It is foolhardy to believe the governments narrative or lies on I should say on this matter, but one of two things...maybe both...will happen someone will see through that lie and this will begat another lie to cover that lie up and/or someone seeing an inconsistentency will fill in the blanks to satisfy his/her point of view but perhaps seeing something inconvenient will add onto it to make it fit.

when it comes to 911 I feel at the very least there is a conspiracy. My feeling is that someone (a rogue family member within the royal families of Saudi Arabia and or Qatar (our frenemies) engineered the whole thing. Not necessarily the governments themselves but someone within the regimes.

My guess is that the Saudis would have preferred to have let them handle it internally but the US was "Are you f***ing kidding, we have to respond!"

Saddam made a suitable target because who else are we going to strike at. We certainly now know that turning Iraq into a Shia country...which had to be foreseen...didn't work to the Saudi 's advantage, perhaps that was payback, the message being "Don't let it happen again"

How's that for a conspiracy theory ?
 
Wade said:
I do see merit in your conspiracy within a conspiracy within a conspiracy point though CGL, but that's to be expected I feel. It is foolhardy to believe the governments narrative or lies on I should say on this matter, but one of two things...maybe both...will happen someone will see through that lie and this will begat another lie to cover that lie up and/or someone seeing an inconsistentency will fill in the blanks to satisfy his/her point of view but perhaps seeing something inconvenient will add onto it to make it fit.

when it comes to 911 I feel at the very least there is a conspiracy. My feeling is that someone (a rogue family member within the royal families of Saudi Arabia and or Qatar (our frenemies) engineered the whole thing. Not necessarily the governments themselves but someone within the regimes.

My guess is that the Saudis would have preferred to have let them handle it internally but the US was "Are you f***ing kidding, we have to respond!"

Saddam made a suitable target because who else are we going to strike at. We certainly now know that turning Iraq into a Shia country...which had to be foreseen...didn't work to the Saudi 's advantage, perhaps that was payback, the message being "Don't let it happen again"

How's that for a conspiracy theory ?
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Well I disagree. But at least your theory is one that is plausible and not so ludicrous. I don't know what's more frightening though; the insane conspiracy theories on the internet or the people that back them up.
 
One conspiracy that definitely belongs in this thread's subject category is the lovely one put out by a certain Dr. David M. Jacobs, ex-Associate Professor of History at Temple University. Oh, you must of heard of it, surely?

Aliens are coming here in their droves, and are slowly and surely colonising the planet by creating human-alien hybrids, or some such. I won't go into all the gory details. I shall leave that to the inestimable Dr. Jacobs in his violent, sadist and pornographic books.

However, it's all a crock of ... well you get the idea. And, he doesn't believe a word of it either. Just watching him give a lecture, listening to him chewing on food whilst talking to someone in the middle of a hypnosis session, laughing about being on the run from aliens a la an Arnie movie on the latest Dr Rita Louise podcast interview (yes you can even sort of picture him with the camouflage gear, face paint, and big gun and gun belts hiding out in Cape Cod ... if you squint your eyes a bit). Its astonishing in its overtness. The guy is a complete fraud, psychopath, and perverse sexual predator, and he doesn't give a fig about his "research subjects" ... and he gets a life achievement award or some such from MUFON. The world has gone completely to pot.
 
paraschtick said:
One conspiracy that definitely belongs in this thread's subject category is the lovely one put out by a certain Dr. David M. Jacobs, ex-Associate Professor of History at Temple University. Oh, you must of heard of it, surely?

Aliens are coming here in their droves, and are slowly and surely colonising the planet by creating human-alien hybrids, or some such. I won't go into all the gory details. I shall leave that to the inestimable Dr. Jacobs in his violent, sadist and pornographic books.

However, it's all a crock of ... well you get the idea. And, he doesn't believe a word of it either. Just watching him give a lecture, listening to him chewing on food whilst talking to someone in the middle of a hypnosis session, laughing about being on the run from aliens a la an Arnie movie on the latest Dr Rita Louise podcast interview (yes you can even sort of picture him with the camouflage gear, face paint, and big gun and gun belts hiding out in Cape Cod ... if you squint your eyes a bit). Its astonishing in its overtness. The guy is a complete fraud, psychopath, and perverse sexual predator, and he doesn't give a fig about his "research subjects" ... and he gets a life achievement award or some such from MUFON. The world has gone completely to pot.
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Wow. Heavy. But here's a question: Let's suppose Jacob's doesn't believe the theory himself and is purely exploiting people for his own personal gain ( whatever that is ). Does it mean that just because Jacobs doesn't believe the theory, that the theory is actually bogus? I'll admit that alien hybridization is way out there ( even for me ), but we've done weirdo genetic experiments on animals ourselves. So what's stopping some high-tech aliens who might want to adapt themselves to this planet? I doubt they'd pick the lowest species on the totem pole for the job. Humans are the obvious choice.

Of course the hybridization theory only has any chance of credibility if you first assume aliens are actually coming here. So where do you stand on that? In your mind are those who believe in alien visitation just as whacked out as you think Jacobs is?
 
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Have any of you ever wondered how many priests, ministers, mullahs, rabbi's etc may be out there who do not believe their own religion but for maybe just tradition, a job, for family etc, they just play along? It's a bit similar to the premise of this thread. I think there are literally millions. There cannot be so many stupid people!
 
ufology said:
Wow. Heavy. But here's a question: Let's suppose Jacob's doesn't believe the theory himself and is purely exploiting people for his own personal gain ( whatever that is ). Does it mean that just because Jacobs doesn't believe the theory, that the theory is actually bogus? I'll admit that alien hybridization is way out there ( even for me ), but we've done weirdo genetic experiments on animals ourselves. So what's stopping some high-tech aliens who might want to adapt themselves to this planet? I doubt they'd pick the lowest species on the totem pole for the job. Humans are the obvious choice.

Of course the hybridization theory only has any chance of credibility if you first assume aliens are actually coming here. So where do you stand on that? In your mind are those who believe in alien visitation just as whacked out as you think Jacobs is?
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Hold on, I'm no supporter of any of the alien-abduction hypnosis guys and gals but I heard Dr Jacobs on Mysterious Universe just last night claim he doesn't charge anything to 'abductees'.
So either that is a lie or he thinks he is providing a service. Like many others, my biggest problem with the whole abduction theory is simply the scale. I just cannot accept that hundreds of thousands of US citizens (for starters) have been abducted. Extend that to other countries and you have something bigger than the scale of V the tv series!
 
paraschtick said:
One conspiracy that definitely belongs in this thread's subject category is the lovely one put out by a certain Dr. David M. Jacobs, ex-Associate Professor of History at Temple University. Oh, you must of heard of it, surely?

Aliens are coming here in their droves, and are slowly and surely colonising the planet by creating human-alien hybrids, or some such. I won't go into all the gory details. I shall leave that to the inestimable Dr. Jacobs in his violent, sadist and pornographic books.

However, it's all a crock of ... well you get the idea. And, he doesn't believe a word of it either. Just watching him give a lecture, listening to him chewing on food whilst talking to someone in the middle of a hypnosis session, laughing about being on the run from aliens a la an Arnie movie on the latest Dr Rita Louise podcast interview (yes you can even sort of picture him with the camouflage gear, face paint, and big gun and gun belts hiding out in Cape Cod ... if you squint your eyes a bit). Its astonishing in its overtness. The guy is a complete fraud, psychopath, and perverse sexual predator, and he doesn't give a fig about his "research subjects" ... and he gets a life achievement award or some such from MUFON. The world has gone completely to pot.
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And this is exactly the type of garbage I'm talking about. Like I said earlier; what's more scary? The thought of wacko's coming up with this outlandish stuff or the lemmings that authentically buy into it?
 
Goggs Mackay said:
Have any of you ever wondered how many priests, ministers, mullahs, rabbi's etc may be out there who do not believe their own religion but for maybe just tradition, a job, for family etc, they just play along? It's a bit similar to the premise of this thread. I think there are literally millions. There cannot be so many stupid people!
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Agreed.
 
Goggs Mackay said:
Hold on, I'm no supporter of any of the alien-abduction hypnosis guys and gals but I heard Dr Jacobs on Mysterious Universe just last night claim he doesn't charge anything to 'abductees'.
So either that is a lie or he thinks he is providing a service. Like many others, my biggest problem with the whole abduction theory is simply the scale. I just cannot accept that hundreds of thousands of US citizens (for starters) have been abducted. Extend that to other countries and you have something bigger than the scale of V the tv series!
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I think abductions are similar to UFO sightings. In the sense of; do they ever happen? I'm sure they have. But probably 1 in every 50,000 are legitimate. The other's are lies, hoaxes, frauds, sleep paralysis, dreams, hallucinations, etc. So just like with UFO photo's & videos, the valid ones get punished by all the frauds/hoaxes/lies.
 
This comment doesn't have anything to do with the thread but it just occurred to me; I find it fascinating that some people have MULTIPLE sightings, experiences when meanwhile, you get someone like me who has been into the UFO subject since 1979 am REGULARLY looking for something in the sky (both day & night) and never once saw anything even a little weird. This includes approximately the 2000 hours of my life I spent inside the P-3C Orion PURPOSELY looking for something odd during day missions and night missions (with night vision goggles). But as much as I wish I had a story or incident, I don't have one.
 
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