Donald R. Schmitt

[Randall]

A really good show opener. The rest of the show was also pretty good. Issues of Schmitt's credibility aside, there's little doubt that Wright Patterson was involved in aviation investigations and military intelligence. There's also no doubt that there are some holes in the available information regarding the Roswell incident and its relationship to Wright Patterson. But are we justified in filling in those holes with crashed saucer cover-ups?

It's tantalizing to spin what we don't know into tales of a UFO cover-up, but there is also some evidence against that idea, most notably in the answer to the question I posed that wasn't asked on the show: How was Project Sign kept out of the loop? It all gets a bit murky but it turns out that the people who worked on Project Sign were also intimately involved with the workings at Wright Patterson, and were the ones who would have done any reverse engineering had there actually been any to do. So either their early reports are lies, the UFO crashes were a cover for secret military projects, or there was still some other faction over and above them that they didn't know about. Who? All I've been able to find are rumors and hearsay. This lends credibility to the idea that @Gene Steinberg has suggested on occasion, that these crashes were secret military projects.

I've also tried unsuccessfully several times to find substantial evidence in support of the claim that the President of the USA can be denied access to government property and/or knowledge. So far, that claim seems to be a myth perpetrated by conspiracy theorists, and until someone comes up with something definitive to prove otherwise, purveyors of that myth should ping your skeptometer. Let's also be clear while we're on this subject that simply not being told is different than being denied. The POTUS has a lot of things to do that don't involve aliens, so unless he or she makes a specific official request regarding the disclosure of alien craft ( UFOS ) and a trip is planned to view them, the issue may never come up in daily business. I have yet to find any verifiable incident where a president in office has made official arrangements to visit a US military base where UFOs were said to be housed, and was refused access.

I do however believe that the military, and in particular, Space Command, has more information than the general public. The problem with that is that such evidence is probably inextricably linked to national security and therefore cannot be released. This isn't to say that UFOs themselves are a threat to National Security ( though they could be ), it's more likely the case in most instances, that revealing how UFOs are detected and determined with precision to be alien would reveal the specific locations and effectiveness of defense installations and equipment. So where does this leave us? Once again it puts us in the same situation we've been in for over 50 years. They ( the military ) know and we ( civilians ) know but they ( the military ) can't say ( to us civilians ) they know. This isn't to say that all military know and all civilians know, only that there are numbers on both sides of who do.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Enjoyed the show lads and the memory metal debate wonder if Mr D Schmitt read author Henry Stevens book 'Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology' (2007) explains a new metal type Impervium and other technologies maybe worth a guest on Paracast ? The Roswell is one of many strange cases still left with more questions than answers it seems.

 

[dyingsun]

What rhymes...

 

[Pararescueman]

I am going to be critical. When you have show whose mantra is "separating signal from noise". And you proceed to bring on a guest whom has lied about his background, and you fail to provide a 2 minute caveat about that! At the very least you spend 60 seconds on it, not a total white wash. It's a slippery slope, when you start giving passes to one individuals to fill airtime , yet criticize other paranormal shows about questionable guests.

As USAF man myself, generally speaking some what he said about Wright-Patterson is true. To say that Wright-Patterson was the pinnacle USAF or the most important installation misleading. In 1948, the most important USAF facility was Offut AFB, it was centrally located geographically speaking ( natural protection from surprise attack). It was the home of Strategic Air Command, who would be responsible for the delivery of atomic bombs, since ICBMs had yet to have been developed.

Ufology makes a statement that POTUS cannot be denied access to anything of government property or knowledge, this is wrong. Earlier in my career I had to go through the Yankee White background check. Some of you may have heard of the nuclear football, it is carried by a armed uniformed officer and he and it is very near the POTUS at all times. The nuclear football is used to give gold code commands for nuclear weapons release. Here is the key part, to use the football, POTUS carries the biscuit, a slang term for credit like device with special codes on it. There is a two man rule, other cabinet members , SECDEF has a biscuit as well, both sets of codes must be given for proper watch alert, then release of nuclear weapons. At no time, can the president, or any other cabinet member be in possession of two of the biscuits at any given. This is to prevent a rogue launch.When read into the program, they make it explicit about nuclear launch procedures, there is a reason why the officer with the football is armed. Actually Bill Clinton lost his Biscuit and failed to report it, this was huge breach of national security. He could not have responded to massive nuclear attack caused he lost his card. He was ripped a new one because of it. Jimmy Carter sent his with a suit to be dry cleaned!

We ( USA /USSR) have on on too many occasions almost started a nuclear war if not because on two or more man rule . I suggest you read about Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov. Or Stanislav Petrov.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, U2 pilots were ordered not to fly within 100 miles of the Soviet Union to avoid antagonizing the Soviets. However, on October 26, 1962, a U2 pilot flying over the North Pole made a series of navigational errors because the shifting lights of the aurora borealis prevented him from taking accurate readings with his sextant. As a result, he ended up flying over the Chukotski Peninsula in northern Siberia, causing the Soviets to order a number of MiG interceptors to shoot his plane down immediately. Instead of letting him be shot down, however, the United States responded quickly by sending out F-102A fighters armed with nuclear missiles to escort the U2 back to American airspace and prevent the MiGs from following it. Unbelievably, the tactic worked. Even more amazing: the decision whether to use their nuclear missiles was left to the American pilots, and could have easily resulted in a nuclear conflict.

 

[Randall]

Ufology makes a statement that POTUS cannot be denied access to anything of government property or knowledge, this is wrong. Earlier in my career I had to go through the Yankee White background check. Some of you may have heard of the nuclear football, it is carried by a armed uniformed officer and he and it is very near the POTUS at all times. The nuclear football is used to give gold code commands for nuclear weapons release ...

Your example doesn't accurately dispute what I said. Being granted access to property and/or knowledge isn't the same as being given carte blanche clearance to personally use it indiscriminately, and I have yet to find any verifiable incident where a president in office has made official arrangements to visit a US military base where UFOs were said to be housed, and was refused access. If you can provide verifiable evidence to the contrary, by all mean please let me know.

BTW: Interesting trivia there on the football. May I ask, does the President have the authority to order that the football be made available along with the second biscuit holder? Or does he first have to get a consensus approval from other military or governmental agents or representatives?

 

[Pararescueman]

You asked for example if the president being denied acess to government property or knowledge. I gave one. The operations carried out by the Football can be forefited,this is where "looking glass" and USSTRATCOM GOC come into play. Continuity of Government, details of which are not permitted to be being discussed.

 

[Randall]

You asked for example if the president being denied acess to government property or knowledge. I gave one.

Apparently, I'm not getting across what I mean clearly. From what I understand, unless the POTUS is out of commission or someplace where the football isn't needed ( like a fixed command center ), the football is with an aide who accompanies him at all time ( or nearly all times ), and therefore the President has access to it. He can see it's real and knows it's there. Operating it requires a second person with a second biscuit whom the POTUS also has access to by way of command, and it is also the POTUS who can make decisions regarding the use of the football. These measures are in place not to prevent the POTUS from having access, but to prevent rogue commandeering of the football. So the POTUS not only has direct access to the football, he or she also has operational authority by way of command. Similarly, I know of no government owned base or type of intelligence that the POTUS can be refused access to when he gives orders to make them available.

The operations carried out by the Football can be forefited,this is where "looking glass" and USSTRATCOM GOC come into play. Continuity of Government, details of which are not permitted to be being discussed.

I find the above questionable. If you're saying that if a legitimate POTUS in command requests the current COG information, he or she can be refused access to it? If so, post your evidence. But even if there are certain exceptions for such extraordinary circumstances as nuclear war, the relevant issue here still remains unchanged. I know of no verifiable incident where a president in office has made official arrangements to visit a US military base where UFOs were said to be housed, and was refused access. For that matter, I don't even know of any related type of incident involving our own equipment. I've read about projects that the POTUS simply wasn't told about, but that's not the same as being denied access.

 

[Burnt State]

Two things stood out for me in this episode: Hynek's sad story and the alien jawbone.

I've heard all about Hynek, his historical contribution and the many bits of his fragmented history as presented by what I've read/seen and listened to on the Paracast. But this final chapter was quite poignant. I knew about his many odd speculations towards the end but what was described here reminded me immediately of Eco's novel, Foucault's Pendulum. In the close to the novel a seeker has sought out the answer to a secret that can not ever be comprehended. The final result is self-destruction. The more I look at the history of the true seekers in this particular field the more self-destruction I see - this appears to be an instructive parable that perhaps we should all heed.

The second thing that grabbed me was the whole alien jawbone story - yet another inexplicable tale that points to more hidden truths of the secret, another carrot to put ahead of the donkey's head. Can anyone quickly clear up that tale for me? Was this the thing that Cain used to kill Abel?

 

[Pararescueman]

Wow ufology, you think you know everything. I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight. Anytime you think you can tell me how you know the rules and regs of my job you can kiss my butt. I have been involved in the same line of work for a long time. No internet commando is going to tell me what they think they know. Sometimes it's best keep your mouth shut about things you zero experience about. Because you do a internet search and return no information about policies or Regs.
On second thought, never mind.... You are right,thank you for telling me the regs. When did they read you into program??
This all I will say on this matter.

 

[Randall]

Wow ufology, you think you know everything. I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight. Anytime you think you can tell me how you know the rules and regs of my job you can kiss my butt.

So you don't respond with evidence in support of your claim, or evidence demonstrating that what I've said is not accurate, but choose to attack me instead? Bad move. Attacking me instead of providing evidence is typical of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, is too lazy to back up their position, and too proud to admit they're wrong. Nicely done. And I still see no verifiable example of any President of The United States who while in office was refused access to a military base that was alleged to have had UFOs stored in it. Furthermore, that is a position that is exactly opposite to the "tin foil hat claims". I would however welcome such evidence if you ever run across it.

 

[Lou_Sheehan]

I agree with 'Ufology.' I'd like to see evidence.
On another note, overlooking something along the lines of a special prosecutor, might someone post a or a list of statutes precluding a President from having complete access to all aspects of Executive functions?