'Pilots are human, so they dont see anything different through their eyes than we do, that is just common sense.
The difference, is we dont see what they do everyday. 'We look up at the sky' "but the only time we get up in the sky is by buying a ticket and getting on a Airplane.
Being a pilot are they better observers than the average human, not really like i siad "they are human. But, the difference is their job description.
Pilots, are able to tell the difference from 'CLOUDS' 'BIRDS' or even a 'Plane' the average human could. 'So what are pilots seeing when they claim to see something like a solid craft and least for pilots looking at it from their advantage point it looks solid.
It is a unknown object. In most cases, it probably something they dont see everyday. It just Something they just can't "identify" based on human aviation.
Ufos means undentified flying object, it doesnt mean space aliens.
We have theories " human aviation, does' not explain "what we are seeing" so naturally we are prone to examineing other alternatives to the origin.
The ufo craft are intrigueing. But, the real interest for me 'is the occupants themselves.
Craft in ufo lore have to have builders.They came from somewhere, that is the ultimate question?
Karl, Lying, ok people will lie that is honest, humans do lie.
Karl, siad 'those who claimed to have been taken aboard alien ships in the 1950s and 1960s 'and who claimed to have visited the Moon, Venus, and Mars were lying.
Everybody knew, at least people who are sane, that those people/claimants were not all together. Some of the people, 'karl talked about, i have seen in videos.
Were you see people in the desert with aerials and tin foiled hats stuck to their heads. Do you honestly, think the whole community who believes in ufos acts like that? Must of us have see something in our skies that is it.
We dont claim to been outside our planet on alien craft (all we are asking is' what are those seemly solid objects in our skies?
The bigfoot case was an obvious hoax, so it not relevant to the converation.
The Bentwaters case happened. The details are based on the eyewitness accounts from senior military retired personal. Is the whole story true, i cant say for sure because i was not there.
Something happened which was not normal.
Reports were filed with MOD, so something unusual must have occured. After all, you have to remember this was During the Cold War. The base was a focal point for operations. This was not a place for a group of men to make up storys of something unusual.
Accounts, will differ in what they saw, but you have to find out, "has the story changed over time and who, which, eyewitness has a different story to tell. If only one eyewitness has changed his story from the official story. You have to look and see, why the story doesnt match up with the others?
"Human preception" does it make you see things. I dont think so, unless you are drunk or on drugs or suffering from a medical illness.If, you see something in the sky which in all purposes looks solid. You have to trust your eyes because withount our eyes, it would be hard to funcation with everyday activites. karl, has alot of theories to why we shouldnt not trust our preception and why pilots should have detailed knowledge of all of them.
Far, Enough you may be tricked by some of the suggestions. It still doesnt explain when people see a mile long craft, which to them in all purpose looks solid, witnessed by others aboard the plane, that your suggestions with cross reference seem logical.
This are Karls suggestions to what pilots such have knowledge of
1Astronomy 2Atmospheric science 3Aeronautics 4physics 5 Visual illusions 6Human Psychology 7 Visual perception
"Memory" 'flash bulb memory'
It is logical, the more you go back in time, details of something will get hazy. But, i differ, when a memory of something which is so provound happens to you. i doubt you will ever forget it. You might forget details of the day, like example 'if you went to the shop or what time you picked up your kids from school. but if you witnessed something on the very same day that was unusual, like seeing a ufo craft hovering over a house that memory will be forever with you. My advice, is that if you do see something in the future go home and write it all down, you never forget it then.
9/11 i will never forget. It nearly nine years since that event. I can remember were i was and what i was doing. I had work at four, european time. Four hours into the event American time.
It was morning in AMERICA and lunch time here in Ireland.
Yet, i can not remember work for the live of me, only the part of the day i was watching 9/11 events on tv for those three hours or so.
Roswell 1947 and people memorys of day are side issues. We dont know, and can't be sure that everyone is being geniune. It seems, however that the Roswell base was on full alert and there was alot of activity going on which was not normal.The explantations which differ to the original statement of a flying disc are not reasonable explantations to solve the case.It a case that will remain a mystery.
"Hoaxes" happen your right there Karl. Some humans, love the attention they get from doing this. It up to us? to try to look at the cases and see which are geniune and which are fabricated hoaxes Chinese lanterns is a recent Explanation. It does really explain geniune sightings going back generations.
Science can only solve problems when they have the knowledge and tools to do so. Science in two hundred years from now will be totally different. We will have discovered new methods of solveing problems and might be actually looking at new science's that we are not aware of today
.Ufos have a science which in all purposes is not known by humans.I am tired of the same old argument that ufos could never get here because the distances are too far. We as humans, cant do that. But, we are baseing the whole argument around us. How, can we presume this and only base it on notting but our own science?
I dont mind skeptic's if they have a logical case. The difference is with Karl he just can not accept there might be something flying around in our skies which we have no explantation for. Just admit 'i dont know' that would be a reasonable answer Karl.
I have to agree with karl. If we have no official quote from kelly, on the encounter, then everything is all just 'hear say'. We have to be careful. I googled it , but i could not find any source which lead to an official statement from Kelly Johnson.
Hopefully, we can find something from Kelly?
Gordon cooper, I dont know is he lieing or is he being truthful? There could be more to the case, but i watched the man speak. I judge the case and the merits of it on that. Words from other people who disbelieve his case is one thinK. I was not there, i can only judge the reputation and the credibility of the source.
But, in your hypothetical case, I have made a counterclaim, which must also share a burden of proof . . . As soon as someone proposes an alternate explanation, they have an obligation to demonstrate why that explanation is better, more valid, or simply the correct one . . . 
