Wikileaks and UFOs

[Sean Elifritz]

This is such a classic discrediting move that it is almost funny. This is exactly the kind of thing they set people up for that are giving them trouble. You discredit the individual and take the focus away from the issues the individual is championing.

I'm not a fan of Assange so it really doesn't matter to me if they set him up or not. I don't know if they did but as soon as I heard about it I knew that suspicion would be out there. It's amazing to me what this guy has been able to get away with. 20 years ago he would have ended up with a bullet in the head and at the bottom of a river the moment following him leaking anything. But everything is so PC nowadays that people can get away with things they never would have been able to in the past. If he was framed, and I don't know if he was, he should be pretty thankful things aren't done the way they use to be.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Well, I'm not the one that arrested him.

I'm sure you were not. lol!
My point is that the US and others would be desperate to corral him and would not be adverse to using any charges, trumped up or otherwise, to secure an arrest.
Here is the link to the full article:
Arrested WikiLeaks chief denied bail in U.K. - U.S. news - WikiLeaks in Security - msnbc.com

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If he was framed, and I don't know if he was, he should be pretty thankful things aren't done the way they use to be.

That's assuming they still won't do that.

This is such a classic discrediting move that it is almost funny.

Exactly. If any of it is true it makes the arrest seem just as ridiculous as the hoopla generated by the wikileaks release.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

The timing also gives the Greers of the world something to add to their presentations on the lecture circuit. He just started talking about releasing UFO-related material then gets arrested. Coincidence? Muhahahaha.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

From the Sydney Morning Herald:

WikiLeaks founder arrested in London.

The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has been arrested by London police on behalf of Swedish authorities on suspicion of rape.

The Metropolitan Police Extradition Unit confirmed at 10.30am London time (2030 AEDT) that the 39-year-old Australian had been arrested “by appointment” on a European Arrest Warrant an hour earlier.
The Swedish warrant cites one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation and one count of rape – all allegedly committed in August this year.

The Australian-born human rights lawyer, Geoffrey Robertson QC, has cut short his annual summer holiday in Sydney to represent Mr Assange.

Mr Robertson and another specialist extradition lawyer from his Doughty Street Chambers are to act for Mr Assange and appear in a magistrate's court within 24 hours to argue for bail. A full hearing of the extradition case must be heard inside 28 days.

However, London legal sources warned that the type of European arrest warrant issued against Mr Assange over sexual assault claims in Sweden was extremely difficult to "avoid or challenge". He and his lawyers planned to fight the extradition with every available resource because of growing fears that this case would allow for preparation for an immediate follow-up and handover to US authorities in the wake of the release of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables.

This website understands that Mr Robertson, whose Chambers are one of the few with specialist experience in extradition proceedings with Scandinavian nations, has been in contact with Mr Assange for some time about his defence and met with federal Attorney-General Robert McClelland last week about the case.

The surrender of Mr Assange is unfolding as his whistleblower's website continued to battle a seemingly concerted global effort to combat further information release led by the US Attorney-General, Eric Holder.

Mr Holder said he had authorised "significant" actions aimed at prosecuting the WikiLeaks founder, but refused to specify what these might be.

"The lives of people who work for the American people have been put at risk. The American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that I believe are arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can."

Mr Assange is reported by The Guardian to be seeking supporters to put up surety and bail and has said he expected to have to raise between £100,000 and £200,000 – and six people offering surety – to stave off attempts to hold him in remand.

Mr Assange has reportedly told friends that he was increasingly convinced the US was behind Swedish prosecutors' attempts to extradite him for questioning on the assault allegations.

He has previously said that the original allegations were the product of "personal issues" but that he now believed Sweden had behaved as "a cipher" for the US.

Mr Assange is wanted by Swedish detectives after two women claimed they were sexually assaulted by him when he visited the country last August. The Swedish supreme court upheld an order to detain him for questioning after he successfully appealed against two lower court rulings.

Mr Assange has also said that he declined to return to Sweden to face prosecutors because he feared he would not receive a fair trial and that prosecutors had requested that he be held in solitary confinement and incommunicado.

He has admitted that he was becoming exhausted by the battle to keep defending the allegations in Sweden while running the carefully managed release of the US cables at the same time.

A Swiss bank announced this week said that had shut down Mr Assange's account because he had allegedly given "false information", while the US-based commerce business PayPal has also frozen the WikiLeaks accounts, hindering the site’s ability to raise funds.

Assange has $61,000 (£38,000) in PayPal and $37,000 in the Swiss account, sources said.

American political rhetoric and attacks against WikiLeaks are escalating, with the former vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin exploiting global debate to describe Mr Assange as "an anti-American operative with blood on his hands".

According to the veteran Republican Mike Huckabee, "anything less than execution is too kind a penalty".

However in Australia today, Prime Minister Julia Gillard backed away from her comment of late last week that the actions of Mr Assange and WikiLeaks were "illegal".

When asked what, under Australian law, was illegal about his actions, she was unable to nominate anything: "The foundation stone of it is an illegal act," Ms Gillard said.

The "foundation stone" was the initial theft of the cables - allegedly committed by a US army private - and not the publication by WikiLeaks.

"It would not happen, information would not be on WikiLeaks, if there had not been an illegal act undertaken," Ms Gillard said.

The opposition's legal affairs spokesman, Senator George Brandis, later called Ms Gillard's use of language "clumsy".

"As far as I can see he [Mr Assange] hasn't broken any Australian law, nor does it appear he has broken any American laws," he told Sky News.

Mr Assange has written an opinion piece in The Australian newspaper for Wednesday in which he refers to a young Rupert Murdoch in 1958, then owner and editor of Adelaide's The News, who said: "In the race between secrecy and truth, it seems inevitable that truth will always win".

The piece, which the paper released a snipet of before Wednesday's publication, argues the need for freedom of speech and refers to the "dark days" of corrupt government in Queensland (where Mr Assange was raised) as well as the Fitzgerald inquiry and much about his upbringing in a country town, "where people spoke their minds bluntly".

Mr Assange reportedly claims Australian politicians' chant of "You'll risk lives! You'll endanger troops!" with the US makes no sense as they argue in the same breath that "there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both", he says.

Scores of photographers and journalists are waiting in zero degree cold as reports emerged that Mr Assange would appear in the Magistrate's Court in London's Horseferry road by 2pm London time (0100 AEDT).

A statement on Twitter from WikiLeaks tweeted that "today's actions against our editor-in-chief Julian Assange won't affect our operations: we will release more cables tonight as normal".

 

[trainedobserver]

Mr Assange reportedly claims Australian politicians' chant of "You'll risk lives! You'll endanger troops!" with the US makes no sense as they argue in the same breath that "there is nothing of importance in what WikiLeaks publishes. It can't be both", he says.

Isn't that incredible? It is a bit like when they say things like the Rendlesham Incident wasn't a national security concern.

 

[Kandinsky]

From the Sydney Morning Herald:

WikiLeaks founder arrested in London.

The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, has been arrested by London police on behalf of Swedish authorities on suspicion of rape.

I could be wrong about this and it's just off recall of an article I read a few weeks back...Assange was hoping to become a citizen of Sweden because they have a better 'freedom of press' legislation than most of the world. By becoming citizen, he and wikileaks would be protected from International extraditions and the influence of US politics and their supporters in Europe. The clause that would prevent his eligibility is having a criminal record. The allegations of rape are a timely obstacle to his goal. If convicted, he's cast adrift and liable to extradition due to an agreement between Australia and US. In political chess, it's a big move and could be a checkmate win for the US.

Since at least the Middle Ages and the spread of the printing press, big governments and people in power have suppressed popular opinion and stamped out the spread of grass roots ideas. They've always gone after the figureheads and smeared, arrested and/or executed them. Thomas Paine had to leave Europe. Martin Marprelate was never caught. There have been 'Star Chambers' and censorship through fear from the Persian conquests of Middle East and Eastern Europe to the Communist witch-hunts of the 50s. This shit has always gone on. These fuckers are just better at it these days...

Victor Gollancz set up the Left Book Club in the '30s and published George Orwell and other writers criticising exploitation of the poor and the money being poured into wars. His company subsidised free libraries for the unemployed of the Depression. They set out to offer free education to a generation that had left school at 11. In essence they tried to create an informed electorate. In Britain, the Govt passed legislation to stop them...they were banned. As Vonnegut might say...'so it goes.'

Many of the people who've been shut down, silenced and screwed over become vindicated in the history books. Later generations see them as instruments of progress and reflections of the Authoritarian excesses of the powers at the time. It's maybe too early to tell if Assange and Wikileaks will get better press in the future, but I think it's likely.

 

[Sean Elifritz]

I could be wrong about this and it's just off recall of an article I read a few weeks back...Assange was hoping to become a citizen of Sweden because they have a better 'freedom of press' legislation than most of the world. By becoming citizen, he and wikileaks would be protected from International extraditions and the influence of US politics and their supporters in Europe. The clause that would prevent his eligibility is having a criminal record. The allegations of rape are a timely obstacle to his goal. If convicted, he's cast adrift and liable to extradition due to an agreement between Australia and US. In political chess, it's a big move and could be a checkmate win for the US.

Since at least the Middle Ages and the spread of the printing press, big governments and people in power have suppressed popular opinion and stamped out the spread of grass roots ideas. They've always gone after the figureheads and smeared, arrested and/or executed them. Thomas Paine had to leave Europe. Martin Marprelate was never caught. There have been 'Star Chambers' and censorship through fear from the Persian conquests of Middle East and Eastern Europe to the Communist witch-hunts of the 50s. This shit has always gone on. These fuckers are just better at it these days...

Victor Gollancz set up the Left Book Club in the '30s and published George Orwell and other writers criticising exploitation of the poor and the money being poured into wars. His company subsidised free libraries for the unemployed of the Depression. They set out to offer free education to a generation that had left school at 11. In essence they tried to create an informed electorate. In Britain, the Govt passed legislation to stop them...they were banned. As Vonnegut might say...'so it goes.'

Many of the people who've been shut down, silenced and screwed over become vindicated in the history books. Later generations see them as instruments of progress and reflections of the Authoritarian excesses of the powers at the time. It's maybe too early to tell if Assange and Wikileaks will get better press in the future, but I think it's likely.

Whoa, I don't have a problem with freedom of speech but what Wikileaks does goes well beyond that. This isn't commentary, it's espionage. The alternative to a system where some things have to be kept secret is anarchy. And the people who get screwed over the worse when anarchy ensues are the weak, the poor. I can't imagine why anyone would be cheerleading for that. Want a great example of anarchy? Look at Afghanistan. Looks like a fantastic place to live, eh?

 

[Kieran]

I'm not a fan of Assange so it really doesn't matter to me if they set him up or not. I don't know if they did but as soon as I heard about it I knew that suspicion would be out there. It's amazing to me what this guy has been able to get away with. 20 years ago he would have ended up with a bullet in the head and at the bottom of a river the moment following him leaking anything. But everything is so PC nowadays that people can get away with things they never would have been able to in the past. If he was framed, and I don't know if he was, he should be pretty thankful things aren't done the way they use to be.

I'm not a fan either, he for me too much loves the limelight these leaks give him. But Wikileaks is more than just one man. I believe their policy of releasing numerous US government documents on a unsuspecting public, for the most part, was the correct one. I would only argue against such leaks, if the policy directly effected the livelihoods, risked civilian and military lives on any side. Media outlets outside of the United States for the most part do agree, non of the leaks released so far will cost lives, well it not stuff that is apparent to foreign anaylsts, I trust at least!

I think his face is too widely known across the world to kill of now, a few years perhaps much easier to carry out such a hit. Imagine, a well-focused hit team was sent from the United States or elsewhere, and tried to assassinate Assange, and it went all wrong for the hit team. Just imagine again the publicity and outrage this would cause worldwide, plus never mind the fact, you'd would have to take him out on Foreign soil, which undoubtedly would cause a diplomatic crisis on some scale and no western nation needs bad publicity at the moment. Such talk of taking him out really, is easier said then done.

Juliian, is the figurehead for the website Wikileaks, but it obvious there is others perhaps will take his place if anything does happen to him. So getting rid of one controversial spokesperson does not mean another will not emerge over time.

Wikileaks, has broken laws there can be no argument, but laws sometimes do need to be broken, when does laws have been covering up the truth from ever coming out. It now becoming obvious now to a large and wider world audience, that American Foreign policy over the last ten years is deeply flawed policy, but it is also obvious to me, Some Americans, who vote and follow the right agenda, are unable to see how their foreign policies have effected their World Standing abroad.

Maybe the right don't give a damn what outsiders think, but that vision, is what will doom America to continuous failure. Has that policy worked since 2001? Are the American people happy as a society more now then in the past? I personally love fifties American there something about that time that I love. I love if Americans voted with their heads not their hearts when it came to voting in politicians, Americans are alone in this even in my own country, people just always seem to vote in the worst kind of people, maybe the worst kind of people are attracted to politics?

Anyway back to Wikileaks, as far as I am aware the case against Mr Assange is a very weak one. A right wing politician from Sweden has been pushing this case against Mr Assange on grounds, he had sex without a condom. There is believe or not. A Swedish law which says this is an offence that is chargeable by law. So the funny thing is the charges as of yet are not about Rape, but what I have outlined here funny to me at least!

Mr Assange however says he had a condom on, but it split during sex. The women at the centre of these allegations said it was deliberately split by Mr Assange. But the problem again is the women the next day after the sexual encounter was fine, relaxed and untroubled and there is evidence after he had sex with her some claim. The women ordered breakfast the next day for both of them! It's a crazy case against him if you ask me!

 

[Kandinsky]

As it stands, wikileaks has released a lot of stuff that doesn't show US foreign policy in a good light. No surprises there. UK foreign policy is no different. The military information has been interesting and it'll get better if Wikileaks survives into the new year. Apparently they have information that shows international espionage against the US and Russia. They also have a stack of stuff that could drop a major US bank in the shit.

Who's against exposing the dodgy activities of the bankers? Ideally, they'll be forced to reform and be less corrosive against the majority of us who are just getting by. It's like a rat's nest at the top and how else are we supposed to know for sure what they're all up to? Investigative journalism has been compromised by political pressures in recent years...moreso than ever. If the journalists aren't/can't telling the story; who is?

The general population of the world gets lied to and bullshitted day in, day out. Wikileaks, in my opinion, are a tiny antidote to the BS. They're a fly in the ointment and I believe the world needs it. I'm cynical enough to see the history of such people being cast aside or discredited and expect the same for Wikileaks. At the same time...my inner optimist hopes that a small increment of positive change will occur.

 

[jtaylor]

I agree. The government lies and screws us over so its good to see them get the shaft. They can dish it out but they cant take it. However, I dont want to see our troops come to any harm due to some of the info. But its nice nice to see whats really going on.

 

[Hitech Lolife]

Everybody else probably knows but I just turned on the news and saw that Assange has been arrested. But after just about 90 seconds of watching it appears to be about rape rather than leaking sensitive documents. Wonder how many conspiracy theories that'll lead to.

This is such a classic discrediting move that it is almost funny. This is exactly the kind of thing they set people up for that are giving them trouble. You discredit the individual and take the focus away from the issues the individual is championing.

One of the women involved has CIA ties: Assange Accuser Worked with US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro Group MyFDL

Also, the charges were thrown out by the chief prosecutor. The case was only reopened with the intervention of a politician in an unrelated part of Sweden.

 

[Skymon876]

Let Assange have his day in court. From my perspective these charges are an attempt to stop him.

I personally think he is innocent.

 

[saucerwench]

If Julian was not deemed an international terrorist, and allowed to continue his kind of full Disclosure, I wonder if they'd be able to confirm what Gary McKinnon saw about these strange space Officers. I wonder what kind of classification will be on the Ufo cables that Wiki leaks (pun intended) if they are able to. I have said this before in another forum, but during my work in a USAF communications center in Nevada, pertaining to the KH-11 spy-sats, I occassionally saw mention of Ufo tracking, in my own specific position where I was handling no higher than Secret cables. However, I was in easy access to an exotic -level- of Top Secret called SPECAT, meaning Special Category, and my FBI file says that I was also in access to ESI, Extremely Sensitive Information. So that, I wonder what kind of Ufo stuff might have been in those!!!
I am Simone Mendez of my very own gov./conspiracy infame. I got into trouble over my unauthorized posession of a Ufo cable 'classified' Top Secret/For Official/Eyes Only' , which government Agents concurred (to me) was a "hoax" by a fellow Airman.
http://www.ufodigest.com/shadowmag/extra/topsecret.html

https://www.theparacast.com/darkmatters/SMendezOpen.mp3
https://www.theparacast.com/darkmatters/SimoneMendez01.mp3
https://www.theparacast.com/darkmatters/SimoneMendez02.mp3


http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/dmr-07-m.mp3

http://darkmattersradio.com/?m=201002

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My link for my most recent interview by Don Ecker ( February 15 2010 Week 5 ) Says that it's not there anymore. I guess nefarius hackers for the dreaded Men In Black yanked it?

 

[trainedobserver]

Let Assange have his day in court. From my perspective these charges are an attempt to stop him. I personally think he is innocent.

The charges are bizarre to say the least. They are rape due to reneged consent. From what I understand of the story, the two girls consented, had sex with the guy and got upset after they talked to each other and found that he plays it fast and loose with "protection." Personally I think it shows a great lack of imagination from Assange. He should have seen this coming and been watching out for this sort of thing rather than acting like no one would be looking to hang the first available charge on him that they could. The "Honey Trap" is like on the back cover of the CIA's "How to discredit and marginalize people." manual for Pete's sake.

 

[jtaylor]

If you are a person such as Assange....you gotta be careful. Its like these athletes who make millions of dollars a year and go out and rape a woman or rob someone. Its all about responsibility. I hope he is innocent. I like people who stick it to the government because they stick it to us.

 

[Kieran]

I was browsing the web a few moments ago, and came across this, it is the official wallpaper that has been recently put up on the Wikileaks website.

Julian Assange, has claimed in the past, he has kept back material that would be "thermonuclear" for any sitting US government. For does who love conspiracy's this wallpaper is pretty cool! All the world- secrets hidden stored in in previously dark room, that has been busted open by Wikileaks, You have to really focus on the image presented to spot some of the real cool stuff. I spotted a JFK box on top of a shelf, the symbol of Nasa was located on one item in the room, and the Ark of the Convenant was stuck neatly placed at one corner of the room. For Pixel the Bilderburg stuff should be cool for you! there could be other cool images I have not spotted yet, but check it out for yourself!

http://wikileaks.ch/img/wallpapers/wall3.jpg

 

[dyingsun]

Assange is just the 'face' behind it all, wikileaks will go on and will produce another 'entrepreneur' if he will not be cleared of the charges. If he raped someone, may he rot in hell.

 

[saucerwench]

I have been thinking alot lately about (an alleged) helper of WikiLeaks, the nice cute-looking --young-- Bradley Manning, sitting in a prison and awaiting stiff punishment. I feel so sad for him. I know I know, he swore and signed on to the agreements of Top Secrecy. I heard a progressive radio talkshow host say recently, if we had someone like Bradley, leading up to the criminal violent home invasion of Iraq, expose'ing the Bushies true 'evidence' and reasons for such, he would be everybit the hero just as Daniel Elsberg was/is for 'The Pentagon Papers' re. the Vietnam 'war'. I watched Daniel Elsberg on Steven Colbert's show last night. I still like Colbert and Jon Stewart, even though I sorely critisized their love-in upon Washington DC.
Bradley Manning just turned 23. When I was in that (Gary McKinnon-LIKE)-trouble in the service, I was 21 and 22. Luckily, I was never detained in a jail. I was for awhile, however, in the military hospital. I learned a while later, that my medical records from that time, innexplicably "vanished", and they had to make brannew ones on me from that point.

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

 

[Sean Elifritz]

I have been thinking alot lately about (an alleged) helper of WikiLeaks, the nice cute-looking --young-- Bradley Manning, sitting in a prison and awaiting stiff punishment. I feel so sad for him. I know I know, he swore and signed on to the agreements of Top Secrecy. I heard a progressive radio talkshow host say recently, if we had someone like Bradley, leading up to the criminal violent home invasion of Iraq, expose'ing the Bushies true 'evidence' and reasons for such, he would be everybit the hero just as Daniel Elsberg was/is for 'The Pentagon Papers' re. the Vietnam 'war'. I watched Daniel Elsberg on Steven Colbert's show last night. I still like Colbert and Jon Stewart, even though I sorely critisized their love-in upon Washington DC.
Bradley Manning just turned 23. When I was in that (Gary McKinnon-LIKE)-trouble in the service, I was 21 and 22. Luckily, I was never detained in a jail. I was for awhile, however, in the military hospital. I learned a while later, that my medical records from that time, innexplicably "vanished", and they had to make brannew ones on me from that point.

http://www.bradleymanning.org/

Considering what we know now the Iraq war may very well have been a mistake (Although that has turned around in recent years and Afghanistan is now the bigger problem.) but at the time it wasn't just Bush convinced that Hussein had WMDs. That was the conclusion of every intelligence agency in the world. The question wasn't whether or not he had them, that was deemed a certainty by everyone, but whether or not it was worth going to war over. Polls at the time showed that 80% of Americans were in favor of military action. But ya' can't find anywhere near that many that will admit it now. There's a whole lotta' hypocritical, double-talking, go-whichever-way-the-wind-blows, Monday morning quarterbacks out there.

 

[Decker]

Considering what we know now the Iraq war may very well have been a mistake (Although that has turned around in recent years and Afghanistan is now the bigger problem.) but at the time it wasn't just Bush convinced that Hussein had WMDs. That was the conclusion of every intelligence agency in the world. The question wasn't whether or not he had them, that was deemed a certainty by everyone, but whether or not it was worth going to war over. Polls at the time showed that 80% of Americans were in favor of military action. But ya' can't find anywhere near that many that will admit it now. There's a whole lotta' hypocritical, double-talking, go-which-way-the-wind-blows, Monday morning quarterbacks out there.

You are right Wickerman, Saddam DID have WMD's, in fact he used them on his own people. He had at least chemical weapons and if you all recall (and I do) he was really fricken' close to Nukes back around 1980-81, well he was until the
Israelis blew it to hell with air strikes. You didn't hear much about this during the time, but American Intelligence and others believed that Saddam may have shipped his stuff to Syria when the U.S. invaded. And something else about this son uv a bitch, Saddam. If you recall, he had his intelligence agency attempt to assassinate former President George Bush (Sr.) when Bill Clinton was sitting in the White House. He pissed all over UN Resolutions, he continully fired upon U.S. and Allied aircraft, he violated the "no fly zone" and kicked out UN Inspectors. Screw him! He asked for it .. he got it and at the time a whole lot of people were in favor of booting this mass killer out. Bush Senior screwed the pooch back in 1991 when we could have done it then.

As far as weapons of mass destruction, if nothing else he had massive amounts of chemical weapons. Ask Iran how many of theirs died during the Iran/Iraq war in the 80's. Ask the Iraqi Kurds how many of theirs died when Saddam gassed them. I am sick and tired of hearing this BS that Bush lied-people died cause Saddam didn't have WMD's. Bullshit.

Decker