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Did Bill Moore essentially create most of the UFO story?

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withoutlimits09

withoutlimits09

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I have been doing a bit of reading and continually ask myself, where would ufology be if there was no Bill Moore? This is the guy who wrote the first book on Roswell, worked closely with the government in shaping the Bennewitz story, and was one of the people who "obtained" the first MJ-12 documents.

Ladies and gentlemen, those three cases make up about 75% of what ufology has been over the last 20-25 years! Despite what Bishop says, we know Moore knowingly worked along side the government in spreading false information, documents, and mythological stories not grounded in reality. However, everyone took him at his word when he said his partnership with the government came AFTER the release of the Roswell book in 79 or 80. Has anyone ever looked into the fact that maybe the book was also more disinformation and embellishments guided by the government?

I ask this question because after listening to Chris Lambright on Open Mind's Radio, he seemed to suggest that the idea of "aliens" first came into Bennewitz's mind when Myrna Hanson "appeared at his door stop."

Greg Bishop wrote his in book, that Bennewitz and Leo Sprinkle put Hanson under "hypnosis" and there she recalled a classic abduction scenario before blurting out "Where's Roswell New Mexico?"

Bishop writes, "No one has mentioned Roswell, and there wasn't even a book on the purported 1947 saucer crash out at the time"

We can look at this statement in one of 2 ways. One, Hanson was abducted and had knowledge of Roswell because the aliens told her or two, she got this information from Moore and the US government who were inarguably engaged in a disinformation campaign involving UFOs. Given Moore's history, which would be the most logical choice?

In sum, we have one disinformation specialist with ties to the government, literally being the major story breaker on 3 of the biggest cases that shaped an entire era. I personally don't believe in coincidences and have always questioned Moore's central role in all of this. Heck even Hynek is up for question according to Bishop! He wrote Hynek delivered Bennewitz the computer that translated the "alien messages."

Now of course the Roswell defenders will say, they have ample testimony from practically everyone in Roswell testifying the event did happen. However, I have always questioned this. If the event was so Top Secret, the information and wreckage would be compartmentalized. You would not be left with literally hundreds of people, from all walks of life and all military ranks having seen or handled the debris let alone seen the alien bodies! Did the Air Force conduct this investigation in a football stadium with the entire town watching? If you read some of the early books on Roswell it sure seems so. Children played with the debris, the mortician ordered the coffins, the priests gave last rights to the beings, the unqualified mysterious nurses were part of the autopsy and so forth. This just can't be so.

Outside of Moore's book and some information from Friedman (who also collaborated with Moore back then). Roswell is pretty much a dead case. Who knows, maybe the Airforce ordered those men to tell Moore they saw wreckage and aliens as part of a larger disinfo program or perhaps, like many, those stationed there just embellished their participation in the events. This would not be the first time that has happened (see Penniston and Bentwaters).


I am curious to know if any researchers have really investigated the origin of Bill Moore, his work in the UFO field, and the possibility the military Roswell witnesses themselves were preyed on by the government like Bennewitz in order to give favorable testimony. Let's not forget, if the government was behind it, and if they were leading Moore during his Roswell research, they would be pointing him in the directions they wanted him to go. There is no telling who he "really" spoke to and if what they said was not first ordered by the government! Doty said Paul was easily manipulated because of his patriotism. I can't think of a more patriotic place on earth than New Mexico near military bases and families!


I also find it interesting the Bill Moore is no longer in the UFO field. It is almost like it was a mere job to him and when he was let go or off the payroll, he lost all interest in the subject matter.
 
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There, I mentioned the Paracast "buzzwords" that all popular threads must have!

In reality, I write a though provoking thread and people don't engage it. Perhaps it is time I find a better forum that is more interactive.
 
Moore's work definitely comes with much weird baggage. But I see the phenomenon in question as much bigger than anything Moore, positive or negative, has done. There is a much larger picture here, including things like Project Sign, the northern tier ICBM incursions, and Rendlesham just to name a few. Moore's impact may indeed have been way out of proportion to his stature. But I would be reluctant to credit him with changing the overall course of the subject's history.
 
I am not saying that the entire UFO topic is bogus because Moore was heavily involved in disinformation. I do think there is a genuine mystery here. However, the more I examine the evidence, the more suspicious I become.

Who were the principle investigators of Roswell? Moore and Friedman! Who "discovered" the MJ-12 documents? Moore! Who still defends them to this day, despite the fact almost no one stands by the documents? Friedman! What is really going on here? Without Friendman and Moore, what do we have on Roswell? It happened in 47 but no one said anything about it until the late 70's. Who know what sort of narrative could have been set up by the government in that much time. Who knows how many "principle witnesses" could have been compromised. The whole case has no credibility when you think about it in those terms. Their primary investigator and the first author of Roswell book was on the government's payroll so to speak. This is huge.

A large part of "UFO HISTORY" is tied up in 3 areas: Roswell, Bennewitz (alien bases, Dulce and Cattle), and MJ-12. However, all 3 originated from Bill Moore, with some debatable "second hand" information.

My point is, these three "major" cases can all be a government ruse, fabricated to mislead the public and/or our enemies. They could have capitalized on a very real phenomena and put the pieces in place to create a frame work of cases that are nothing more than governmental invention.
 
Bill Moore is a interesting person.

Do you know about his book on the Mormon Church.

I liked project beta but have always wondered why there are not more books like

it.
 
I ha.ve listened to several Radio Misterioso shows including a few with Bill Moore.

I think a lot of the UFO mystery comes from government or big business covering up what

they are doing.
 
You are right in pointing out Moore's involvement perpetrating several pivotal ufological memes. The events that he is associated with certainly have turned out to be stories upon which much of the (ill)informed public is still fixated on. Very astute observation on your part. Reminds me of the slight-of-hand magician: we watch the right hand as the left hand does the dirty work. Good post.
 
IMO the answer to your startling new theory is: yes, I think it's likely. Although I'm only a casual observer and new to the whole Ufology field, his name seems to turn up suspiciously often and mostly under very questionable circumstances. I've been thinking along the lines of your provocative question for some time now.

withoutlimits09 said:
Bush sucks, Gene needs money, and Global warming is real!!!

There, I mentioned the Paracast "buzzwords" that all popular threads must have!

In reality, I write a though provoking thread and people don't engage it. Perhaps it is time I find a better forum that is more interactive.
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I hope you can forgive us the fauxpas of not answering your thread for a full half day and that you remain a forum member. But dragging Gene into this was really unnecessary.

As Yoda probably said: Patience learn you must, young padawan. It happens on the interwebs that really good threads totally go unanswered and disappear into its depths because the forum members who are interested in the topic weren't around for a few days. Sometimes people are just to busy with their lives.

This post is only partly meant ironically. I'm serious about the the part concerning Moore, the rest you will hopefully take as constructive criticism.
 
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I have listened to several Radio Misterioso shows including a few with Bill Moore.

I think a lot of the UFO mystery comes from government or big business covering up what they are doing.
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Disinformation became an enormous problem for ufo research in the last several decades, and some of its authors (and the alphabet agencies that employed them) have been outed by ufo researchers. It's reasonable to say that this disinformation has further confused the public concerning ufo/uap phenomena and -- more to the point -- has further marginalized the entire subject of ufos. Most seriously, in my opinion, it misleads people who lack a background in reading deeply in ufo research beginning in the late 1940s and continuing through to the present. Lacking a substantial understanding of planetwide ufo history since WWII, such people are easily persuaded a) that "we still don't know anything" about ufo phenomena appearing near and on the planet, and b) that accordingly a psycho-social (i.e., a psychological) approach locating these phenomena 'inside people's heads' is as reasonable as (and might even replace) the investigation of ufos in terms of their physical and physiological effects on humans, animals, vegetation and soil, and machinery of various types. Richard Hall focuses on many of the physical and physiological effects of close encounters in the air and on the ground in the essay linked below, which I recommend as an introduction to exploring the material and energetic effects of ufos that have recurred in great numbers since the late 1940s.

The Nuclear Connection
 
continuing to tom:

This second part of your post:

I think a lot of the UFO mystery comes from government or big business covering up what they are doing.
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could mean many things. Would you expand what you mean by this sentence? I personally think there's no question that 'covering up' ufo phenomena became the primary public response of governments in the late 1940s (and of national leaders including Winston Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt during WWII). And I think that there is also no doubt concerning the involvement of corporations in suppressing ufo information in the form of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about on leaving office. Both of these developments can be understood in terms of reactions to the dramatic 1947 and 1952 ufo waves, interactions between ufos and terrestrial aircraft (military and civilian), recognition of the technological superiority demonstrated by some of those ufos, and several ufo crashes in the early years. What cannot be supported, in my view, is the hypothesis that the ufo history on and around our planet since WWII can be accounted for as a 65-year-long show put on by a massive conspiracy of national powers to mislead and manipulate their political enemies and the general population of earth.
 
withoutlimits09 said:
I ask this question because after listening to Chris Lambright on Open Mind's Radio, he seemed to suggest that the idea of "aliens" first came into Bennewitz's mind when Myrna Hanson "appeared at his door stop."
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Correction: Lambright said Bennewitz's notions about alien abductions began then.
 
I am no UFO expert and the more I read the less I understand.

I think that the military encourages people that believe in ET's so

that if they report some secret aircraft as a UFO then everyone else will

ignore it.
 
Re Roswell: My personal view is that the disinfo began with Haut's press release describing acquisition of a crashed disc. That such a disclosure would have been deliberate, especially in the cold war atmosphere of the times, would seem highly unlikely.
 
I'd be interested in knowing who contacted who first about writing the Roswell Book, Moore or Friedman? if it was Moore, it might add more credibility to what you are trying to say. I think Greg Bishop might know the answer to this question.
 
Friedman first contacted Marcel and that's how the Roswell resurrection that led up to Moore's book began. What'd be interesting to find out is who first introduced the story of alien bodies into the Roswell story, since they were not part of Marcel's narrative or reported as part of what Mac Brazel found.
 
Sentry said:
Friedman first contacted Marcel and that's how the Roswell resurrection that led up to Moore's book began. What'd be interesting to find out is who first introduced the story of alien bodies into the Roswell story, since they were not part of Marcel's narrative or reported as part of what Mac Brazel found.
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The U.S. Air Force also weighed in on this issue with their 1997 follow-up to the Roswell report. Their belief was that rumors of bodies came from anthropomorphic dummies used to test parachutes in the 1960's. They specifically pointed out that there were no first-hand accounts of bodies from 1947.

Of course, it's not a perfect explanation but it backs up something I've always suspected - that some of the people fascinated by the Roswell mystery are actually in the government itself, and have made an honest effort to disclose everything available. I believe The Roswell report was such an effort.
 
Yes, he was involved with quite a number of popular UFO memes.

However, I think you've overstated his influence, and I think of him more as a ambulance chaser than I do someone that is actually involved.

It could also be that he's a disinfo agent, but I'm hesitant to chalk anything up to intent that could be chalked up to bungling. And when I hear that guy open his mouth, I hear a bungler talking.

I personally think the way out of our current mess in this field is to wrap everything up until, say, 2000 or so, put a nice bow on it, and toss it directly into the grey basket.

To be mined only retroactively when a current case comes out that has similarities. Otherwise we'll get tangled up in so much ancient history thats tangled and riddled with nonsense (intentional or not) that we'll never see the forest for the trees.

New data and new ideas, I hope, will shed light moving forward.
 
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