The Undeniable Link Between UFOs & Consciousness...Imagine that!

[Jeff Davis]

http://www.skeptiko.com/grant-cameron-ufo-consciousness-link-324/

Well, it's certainly no surprise to those here at the Paracast Forums cause we've known that for quite a while now, haven't we? Shoot, some wackos like that Jeff Davis character even contend that not only is consciousness the common link between UFOs and those human beings that experience them in one form or another, that possibly, due to our own vastly misunderstood relation to and with consciousness, consciousness itself is either the very medium, or the means, through or by which UFOs traverse and navigate reality itself in terms of what we perceive as being a relative constant known as the space time continuum.

Speculatively, due to what may be the hypothetical parallel preconstruct nature of non-temporal information, there may be many types of existent intelligences that presently we can only refer to as paranormal entities or "space aliens" that are native to natural non-temporal informational realms that are intermeshed with our own. Such quasi environmental intersections may provide gateways to and from temporally relevant environments such as that which hosts ourselves. Gateways in which intelligent beings rely on consciousness relevant technologies that may design or modify encapsulated synthetic reality's within wholly enveloped non-temporal informational preconstructs according to whatever their own cognition driven navigational needs may be.

Could this have been visually evidenced via what one Dr. Francisco Padrón León reported to be the case within the town of Las Rosas on Tenerife, the largest of the Canary Islands. You can read about this interesting and unsolved case from 1976 as i did recently here: You are being redirected...

 

[Randall]

Grant Cameron - Classified documents suggest UFO/consciousness link |324|

Well, it's certainly no surprise to those here at the Paracast Forums cause we've known that for quite a while now, haven't we? Shoot, some wackos like that Jeff Davis character even contend that not only is consciousness the common link between UFOs and those human beings that experience them in one form or another, that possibly, due to our own vastly misunderstood relation to and with consciousness, consciousness itself is either the very medium, or the means, through or by which UFOs traverse and navigate reality itself in terms of what we perceive as being a relative constant known as the space time continuum.

Speculatively, due to what may be the hypothetical parallel preconstruct nature of non-temporal information, there may be many types of existent intelligences that presently we can only refer to as paranormal entities or "space aliens" that are native to natural non-temporal informational realms that are intermeshed with our own. Such quasi environmental intersections may provide gateways to and from temporally relevant environments such as that which hosts ourselves. Gateways in which intelligent beings rely on consciousness relevant technologies that may design or modify encapsulated synthetic reality's within wholly enveloped non-temporal informational preconstructs according to whatever their own cognition driven navigational needs may be.

Could this have been visually evidenced via what one Dr. Francisco Padrón León reported to be the case within the town of Las Rosas on Tenerife, the largest of the Canary Islands. You can read about this interesting and unsolved case from 1976 as i did recently here: You are being redirected...

As usual, let's get our bearings before getting in too deep: What exactly is being claimed by an "undeniable link" and what exactly is the evidence?

There's an "undeniable link" between any consciousness and whatever that consciousness is perceiving, be it UFOs or marshmallows. So at face value there's nothing too special about the claim. We need to be more specific and avoid jumping to the conclusion that the Canadian Department Of Transport ( DOT ) document represents incontrovertible evidence of telepathy or telekinesis or other psychic ability as part of a UFO experience. The document itself is also fairly vague, saying:

"I was further informed that the United States authorities are investigating along quite a number of lines which might possibly be related to the saucers such as mental phenomena and I gather that they a not doing too well since they indicated that if Canada is doing anything at all in geo-magnetics they would welcome a discussion with suitable accredited Canadians."

The wording, "might possibly be related", and "not doing too well", doesn't sound particularly "undeniable". If anything it sounds rather "might be" - ish and "not so doing too well" -ish ... LOL.

That being said, among ufologists, the mental effects of a UFO experience are most certainly a topic of discussion and study. There are those who seem to believe that telepathy between aliens and humans is a historical fact. I'm not so sure. The phrase "mental phenomena" might also include such things as hallucinations, stress, and other known psychological factors, and such effects are fairly well documented by Mack in his alien abduction research, but whether or not actual telepathy or highly contentious psychic abilities are fully substantiated is another matter.

Therefore although it's safe to say that some UFO experiencers have had perceptions that they have interpreted as telepathic communication, whether or not that is what it really was is not a certainty. We have technology that can simulate the experience of voices inside someone's head, so how can we be sure that an assumed telepathic experience wasn't technology based rather than psychic? I'm not so sure that we can, and I'll add that I've had a couple of personal experiences where there seemed to be such a manifestation, so it's not like I'm completely uninformed or have never had a related experience.

So the real starting point of this discussion should be more like: People have claimed to have had experiences that they interpreted as alien and psychic, but those cases may not all be true and the interpretations may not be accurate even if they are honestly believed.

 

[Randall]

Here's a link that some of those who are into the consciousness aspect of the UFO experience might find interesting. I haven't reviewed it yet so I have no idea how reliable it is in terms of accuracy:

Science of Consciousness - The Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters​

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[Jeff Davis]

As usual, let's get our bearings before getting in too deep: What exactly is being claimed by an "undeniable link" and what exactly is the evidence?

There's an "undeniable link" between any consciousness and whatever that consciousness is perceiving, be it UFOs or marshmallows. So at face value there's nothing too special about the claim. We need to be more specific and avoid jumping to the conclusion that the Canadian Department Of Transport ( DOT ) document represents incontrovertible evidence of telepathy or telekinesis or other psychic ability as part of a UFO experience.

It would be so easy to turn your response here on it's proverbial ear, but in truth, I have had enough of the forum centered tit for tat. Word slinging, and requests for substantiation are something that you yourself have proved a great efficiency for. However, you yourself have never provided a single incremental iota of substantiation for your repetitive proclamations that UFOs equate to "ET aliens from outer space".

All we have EVER had, or have, is UFO experiencer related testimony. Tell me precisely how many of those experiencer reports consist of direct verbal communications, and or non-altered states of mind.

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That being said, as a ufologist, the mental effects of a UFO experience are most certainly a topic of discussion and study. There are those who seem to believe that telepathy between aliens and humans is a historical fact. I'm not so sure.

There is no such thing as a ufologist. I have proved this to you over and over again and the VAST majority of those that participate on these forums agree with this assertion. My own feelings are that those who believe they are "ufologists" are suffering from a self protect mechanism that produces a predictable form of feedback. Namely, delusions of grandeur. UFOs merely dictate a presence of the unknown. You cannot be an expert in what you don't know save you be considered legitimately delusional.

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Therefore although it's safe to say that some UFO experiencers have had perceptions that they have interpreted as telepathic communication, whether or not that is what it really was is not a certainty. We have technology that can simulate the experience of voices inside someone's head, so how can we be sure that an assumed telepathic experience wasn't technology based rather than psychic?

With this logic in tow it would also be safe to say that UFOs do not exist at all. They would merely be a common era relevant perception en masse that reflect nothing more than a visible perceptive distortion of reality. Of course thankfully this isn't logic at all. but merely common denial in play.

So the real starting point of this discussion should be more like: People have claimed to have had experiences that they interpreted as alien and psychic, but those cases may not all be true and the interpretations may not be accurate even if they are honestly believed.

Again, this serves to support no argument. It's merely the mechanism of denial in play. The ends must justify the means and circular logic as a means only serves to chase an argument's tail. It accomplishes nothing.

The truth is that the vast majority of reported UFO experiences, not just the act of visually seeing and reporting a UFO, but rather the effected experience of UFO/witness interaction in one form or another, do in fact resoundingly consist of what are commonly grouped (specifics identified by grouped percentage) mentally perceived phenomena. The initial act of visually seeing an UNIDENTIFIED object or phenomena is no less a perception.

 

[Randall]

It would be so easy to turn your response here on it's proverbial ear ...

Glad I could provide you with an excuse to rant and release some of that repression. It's just not healthy to keep all that angst wrapped-up inside ... LOL.

 

[victimized]

The research of the UFO condition has always belonged to human researchers and the research first began with the ancient human male and his personal considerations of aspects of power resourcing.

Phenomena belongs to the condition of power resourcing, as observed by those who have studied the ancient data/stories and reviews and the modern life attacked/converted by the UFO condition.

If you research the condition, the condition already is known, it relates to the human male's own aspect of wanting to "own power" and to resource by "converting techniques" that he considers by occult (ancient scientific reasoning) as the aspects of transformation through the acts of destruction.

Therefore the human male already KNEW and VALUED that he would INVENT by the condition of transforming the natural fu...SION into unnatural conditions.

The cause and effect conditions was the after effects, the conjuring of evil spirit and the effects he considered by being attacked by his references of the evil spirit.

The evil spirit that he observed, manifested unnaturally via the unnatural conditions of converting evolved fusions into the state of deteriorating fusions, causing ARTIFICIAL STATES.

First of all a human being should review our life, our consciousness, and our living conditions once were natural.

We live in a natural spiritual communion, which we named as natural and knew that spirit....the Nature supported this communion and in the natural communications or awareness we knew as a spiritual human being what food to eat....only because the Nature advised us.

If you asked what changed to the Nature and Natural state on Earth....the human changed the Nature and Natural state on Earth, simply because they can, under the precepts that they are the Creator/Inventor.

Yet when you review the conditions of placing VALUE upon OWNERSHIP of the natural state, the VALUING was done and applied by a human male, and his own conditions of wanting to PERSONALLY OWN all aspects as VALUES in the natural state on Earth.

So first of all is to consider the aspect of reality. If you WANT TO OWN a nuclear product, how would you as a natural spiritual state OWN the product?

The machine you invent does not own the product, for you resource the nuclear product, invent the machine, place the nuclear product into a lower state by converting it and remove it from the condition which once supported your natural life.

You then begin to OWN the condition by being nucleated.

Hence as the consciousness becomes aware of its nucleated state, it begins to bring to the attention of the scientific occultist brotherhood who invented the conditions for scientific conversion of our natural life that they have caused the phenomena and it is attacking/converting our natural mind, our brain chemicals and our natural cell condition.......the cell condition once owning the interactive natural holiness of our atmosphere, now owns an unholy interactive condition, trying to convert our life cell...our life blood and our natural chemistry into artificial chemistry.

The same male human mind who considered to value the ET and UFO condition as ARTIFICIAL, is the same mind who now considers that DNA should also be ARTIFICIALLY REPLICATED for his new occultist ventures.

What is the UFO condition.....it is obvious that it relates to OCCULTISM and the cause and effects of PHENOMENA.

Phenomena a valued explanation that the natural condition changes to cause an unnatural effect.

The only UNNATURAL EFFECT on Planet Earth is a human male espousing that he is the Creator Inventor, when it is cause and effect considerations that demonstrate that he is the DESTROYER INVENTOR.

His own reasoning used to value the conditions for his scientific pursuits states that he takes higher states and converts them and places them into lower states as his personal status of being an inventor.

His own evaluated considerations of creation, STONE is a cooled product of radiated light. As he alters the condition of the product he then causes a phenomena to occur, as radiated light on Earth changes in the natural atmospheric body condition that had evolved/cooled over a long time period.......seeing that the gases came out of the body of the stone.

The atmosphere, changes and we witness the phenomena of radiated cooled/evolved light changing forming phenomena effects, and he then makes out that he did not change the natural state, when everyday he changes the natural state of Planet Earth's fusion.

What is actually wrong with the human mind, witnessing and feeling the converSION? They believe in his intelligence and his imposed superior status, when his status as an intelligence provides its own reality, this form of intelligence is inferior to the spiritual nature of our natural awareness.

If you asked his inventor/destroyer mind how empty is space, he could not give you an answer, yet his calculations make statements as if 0 zero has a value of power.

What do you all think would happen if you began to empty out the filled 0 zero space body of its gases?

First of all you would notice that matter would go missing, and if you ask where the matter would go, the observation would state the obvious.

First of all you would build a building so that you could change the status of the matter/fuSION.
Secondly you would then invent the change to the matter in the building....which the male has done.
Thirdly you would notice the natural conditions would alter....the fuSION of the Planet Earth and also the atmosphere.

The fourth condition states, the Earth now has huge O holes in it and the atmosphere gained the burning O condition of its gases unevolving.

The condition of the fifth would state....the owner of the o smaller condition, human cells would notice the attack/phenomena conversions which it has.

What is the ancient occultist reasoning to circles? G O D.

What did the ancient occultist reason as to the continuance of life on Earth as an evolving and status of evolution? G O D.

If you alter the condition of G O D what would happen as notification to the status of life on Earth? AN ATTACK.

If you asked your spiritual reasoning as to why the ancient occultist proposed the Creator condition to be G O D, have you ever personally reasoned the conditions of this evaluation?

If you have not, then please consider the following.

The occultist considers that creation is fused by the circular CONSTANT O, a fixed and held condition.

The circular condition of the atmospheric "spiritual or ethereal body" is circular rotating sound motion.

O a circular effect rotating is the condition single review of a point . rotating into a circular pattern - into the motion of a swirl O forming the letter G to the O condition to the splitting condition of the O into D.

The occultist review of Creator O, a circle, the change to the circle due altering natural evolving/cooling/amassing of the atmosphere would cause the G O D condition to fall out.

If the Creator/evolving status falls out of our atmosphere it would release O circular bodies.

These circular bodies changing would produce the effects of a changed brain/mind condition, a changed physical cell condition, a changed Nature and a changed fuSION to the natural stone of Planet Earth.

All of these conditions have been naturally and spiritually notified as an inherited human condition.

The only way that our natural life can be changed is due to unnatural and artificial means.

The only ARTIFICIAL condition that Planet Earth has gained is the human male and his ownership evaluation who has invented/destroyed our life by artificial means and artificial reasoning....science and conversion.

 

[victimized]

As usual, let's get our bearings before getting in too deep: What exactly is being claimed by an "undeniable link" and what exactly is the evidence?

There's an "undeniable link" between any consciousness and whatever that consciousness is perceiving, be it UFOs or marshmallows. So at face value there's nothing too special about the claim. We need to be more specific and avoid jumping to the conclusion that the Canadian Department Of Transport ( DOT ) document represents incontrovertible evidence of telepathy or telekinesis or other psychic ability as part of a UFO experience. The document itself is also fairly vague, saying:

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The wording, "might possibly be related", and "not doing too well", doesn't sound particularly "undeniable". If anything it sounds rather "might be" - ish and "not so doing too well" -ish ... LOL.

That being said, as a ufologist, the mental effects of a UFO experience are most certainly a topic of discussion and study. There are those who seem to believe that telepathy between aliens and humans is a historical fact. I'm not so sure. The phrase "mental phenomena" might also include such things as hallucinations, stress, and other known psychological factors, and such effects are fairly well documented by Mack in his alien abduction research, but whether or not actual telepathy or highly contentious psychic abilities are fully substantiated is another matter.

Therefore although it's safe to say that some UFO experiencers have had perceptions that they have interpreted as telepathic communication, whether or not that is what it really was is not a certainty. We have technology that can simulate the experience of voices inside someone's head, so how can we be sure that an assumed telepathic experience wasn't technology based rather than psychic? I'm not so sure that we can, and I'll add that I've had a couple of personal experiences where there seemed to be such a manifestation, so it's not like I'm completely uninformed or have never had a related experience.

So the real starting point of this discussion should be more like: People have claimed to have had experiences that they interpreted as alien and psychic, but those cases may not all be true and the interpretations may not be accurate even if they are honestly believed.

TELEPATHY is a state already studied by the occultist organization of sciences....phenomena and its causes. By evidence and research already stated to be used by intelligent organizations against intelligent organizations.

Only a small percent of the human's who achieved telepathy existed on Earth in a status of mind contact/mind control by forced communication, only due to the amount of atmospheric mass not previously removed. Telepathy a condition introduced to the human life by the cause and effect conditions of phenomena, for phenomena belongs to occultist realization.

Occultism, ancient sciences and its cause and effect outcomes due to increased atmospheric radiation and the human cell effects/conscious changes.

Phenomena allowed a small percentage of human cell/lives to be telepathic due to the effects of nuclear irradiation. This is why it only affected a small amount of the human population on Earth.

The ancient percentage of irradiation caused by sciences as ancient notification/data of being personally attacked had been removed as a condition/effect during the Ice Age effect of cooling. Ancient studies demonstrates science was once previously used by humans.

Modern effects of radiation experiments therefore began to cause the unnatural phenomena of telepathy.

Ice studied by the sciences stated that the new nuclear conversions had caused ice to melt....hence the atmosphere increased its amount of phenomena effects.

Telepathy also studied by occult scientists wanting to use the communications themselves for human mind control enmasse, began to transmit a program by satellite unnaturally as an increase in telepathic communications.

Human awareness, the only state as psychic/scientific realization knows as conscious awareness began to state by the interactive realization that science was involved in the conditions of received telepathic interactions attacks, asides from the unnatural phenomena caused by fall out.

No occultist in modern times can argue with the human aware condition, for the condition of science and conversion itself was gained by the human male's mind in EXACTLY THE SAME conditions in ancient and modern times as a human condition. This is how scientific awareness was first gained as conscious reasoning and a status of self awareness with correct information recorded in the interaction/condition transmitting the recorded statuses.

Human's aware of being scientifically studied in the cause/effects conditions of occultist practice stated in the informed awareness that our cellular information changed by the artificial signals and scientific research (feedback study program) that was placing our life cells inside of test tubes in an unnatural alien study and the human psyche realized and stated that it was involved in artificial research regarding its cellular data, interacted artificially in a research only because the FACTUAL AWARE status of human life has been studied in this condition/research program.

The only scientists studying human cell life as a condition is a human scientist, not an alien scientist. The alien, an effect of image manifestation by holding an unnatural nuclear constant for conversion causes the human life to be increasingly irradiated and the atmospheric recording photonic effect allows the communications of the nuclear to be seen by the human mind in the communication/relay.

This occultist realization has been known and taught as a philosophy in secret for a very long time called the HOLY SEE, for seeing is part of the human mind awareness and natural and unnatural chemical changes due to chemical wavelength converSION.

 

[Jeff Davis]

Holy hamburgers! I believe this thread has been victimized. It's kind of like that Twilight Zone episode called "To Serve Man" Only instead of screaming the warning "It's a cookbook!"

at the end when the gentleman is boarding the alien spaceship, one screams "It's a projection!" in response to @victimized responding to your thread. Diabolical laughter ensues, I'm sure.

 

[Wade]

I don't know why anybody in that episode was surprised that it was a cookbook, that chef's hat on Ted Cassidy's head was a dead giveaway.

 

[Wade]

Upon further review I screwed up. T'was not Ted Cassidy but Richard Kiel in the famous image. Funny thing is I'm not the only one wrong about this as Googling Ted Cassidy + Twilight Zone brings up those very pictures and Links directing to that story but it's Richard Kiel. If I didn't know better I'm having one of those Mandela Effect/Bernstein Bear moments. Still I just hate it when I flub a joke.

 

[Waller]

http://www.skeptiko.com/grant-cameron-ufo-consciousness-link-324/

Well, it's certainly no surprise to those here at the Paracast Forums cause we've known that for quite a while now, haven't we? Shoot, some wackos like that Jeff Davis character even contend that not only is consciousness the common link between UFOs and those human beings that experience them in one form or another, that possibly, due to our own vastly misunderstood relation to and with consciousness, consciousness itself is either the very medium, or the means, through or by which UFOs traverse and navigate reality itself in terms of what we perceive as being a relative constant known as the space time continuum.

Novel but hardly news, same information in much greater-finer detail has been presented innumerable times by ETs themselves. But declassified pieces of paper from unknown authors are much more sexy. <eyes roll>

 

[Burnt State]

So if UFO's actually do exist outside our mind then where is that? I'm always interested in confirmations but it seems to me either the UFO is interested in complicating its existence or we are too simplistic a biological mechanism to perceive it with any accuracy at all. Instead we just have a lot of wistful thinking and theorizing a la ETH or nucleated experience. Pehaps more time focussed on the perceiver and her nature will yield better understanding of such phenomena.

 

[Randall]

So if UFO's actually do exist outside our mind then where is that?

Things which exist outside our mind exist in objective reality. There are some people who don't believe objective reality exists. I'm not one of them.

I'm always interested in confirmations but it seems to me either the UFO is interested in complicating its existence or we are too simplistic a biological mechanism to perceive it with any accuracy at all. Instead we just have a lot of wistful thinking and theorizing a la ETH or nucleated experience. Pehaps more time focussed on the perceiver and her nature will yield better understanding of such phenomena.

All forms of confirmation still boil down to our subjective experience of such confirmation, and therefore the best we can do with any claim for the objective reality of something is to build as sound a case as we can based on the evidence. Wistful thinking is not evidence of objective reality, however firsthand experience is, because it's a virtual certainty that stimuli from the outside world do become a part of our subjective experience, and therefore sensory perceptions resulting from external stimuli, must therefore represent objectively real objects of some kind. It may be the case that the kind of object we perceive may not the kind we think it is, but it's still objectively real.

So the next question is to assess how likely it is that all such perceptions of UFOs are not what people seem to think they are. When we do that, we can filter the noise out even more, and when I do that, rather than getting a blank screen, because the object is just some kind of brain generated image based on perceived patterns in the noise, I get a clearer picture that alien craft are objectively real. Phillip K. Dick wrote that: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Setting aside my personal belief, I still get this same picture, and indeed, the UFO phenomenon does not seem to have gone away either.

 

[Burnt State]

It strikes me that the idea of objective reality is tied to our own limited physiology and that reality is a limited species specific experience. I don't believe that "objective reality" is something humans can ever perceive. We will be stuck with our version of things till our tech grows to expand our understanding of objective reality, whatever that means? Objective to whom would be my question.

Can we actually trust what we think we see. While there may in fact be an external stimulus how that gets processed and manifests in our virtual reality brain is a whole other issue.

Is not the belief in alien craft a prerequisite for its seeing? The brain seems bent on filtering according to its existing lens. Some see angels, others see alien craft. Can we trust the accuracy of reports of people in extreme experiences when their own senses may not be able to properly process that rare thing that is the ufo stimulus. It seems to me their cultural training and physiology get in the way of any accuracy. I would sat tat everything we think we see just seems that way inside our heads.

We seem incredibly unable to verify in any real concrete manner the actual existence of alien craft in a single image and yet the idea of the alien craft is alive and well in the minds of the populous. But where it comes from or resides is only found in the mind of the witness.

 

[Randall]

It strikes me that the idea of objective reality is tied to our own limited physiology and that reality is a limited species specific experience. I don't believe that "objective reality" is something humans can ever perceive. We will be stuck with our version of things till our tech grows to expand our understanding of objective reality, whatever that means? Objective to whom would be my question.

I think you're right that technically speaking, we can't perceive objective reality, because it's always perceived through our subjective perceptual and interpretive filters. However that doesn't mean that we don't know it's there. For example, unless you're a subjective idealist or of some similar persuasion, you'll probably agree that The Earth is a planet orbiting a star, and it makes no difference what you or I or anyone else thinks about that, or for that matter whether or not any humans ever evolved here or not.

This planet would carry on doing what it does regardless. Then there's everything else out there beyond Earth that goes on and on for billions of light years. We are just tiny little specks on this one little planet. Now I suppose one could try to disprove that situation, but IMO I think that there's no reasonable way to do it. The alternative is to think that the only thing that actually exists is you, which has way too many problems, not to mention the requirement for a huge ego ... lol.

Can we actually trust what we think we see. While there may in fact be an external stimulus how that gets processed and manifests in our virtual reality brain is a whole other issue.

Yes. Most of the time we can trust that what we see through our eyes ( as opposed to imagination ) represents some external reality. That much seems fairly obvious. The exceptions are only in special cases where our perceptions are distorted by abnormal brain chemistry, deliberate trickery, or the occasional mirage or disorientation. But even in those cases, at least some of what is actually going on can often be ascertained by some study of the situation.

Is not the belief in alien craft a prerequisite for its seeing? The brain seems bent on filtering according to its existing lens. Some see angels, others see alien craft. Can we trust the accuracy of reports of people in extreme experiences when their own senses may not be able to properly process that rare thing that is the ufo stimulus. It seems to me their cultural training and physiology get in the way of any accuracy. I would sat tat everything we think we see just seems that way inside our heads.

Belief is not a prerequisite for visual perception. Our eyes receive light and transform it into neural impulses whether we believe what we're seeing is real or not. What we interpret the perception to be is another matter, but even that doesn't require belief. It only requires information and analysis. Without sufficient information it is possible that the analysis will be wrong, but in our modern age even that can be minimized greatly.

We seem incredibly unable to verify in any real concrete manner the actual existence of alien craft in a single image and yet the idea of the alien craft is alive and well in the minds of the populous. But where it comes from or resides is only found in the mind of the witness.

Without more information we can't be sure where UFOs come from, but we can be reasonably certain that they're not a construct of known civilization, which by definition makes them alien to us, but not necessarily ET. That insight alone is IMO very significant, as are the many witnesses who have seen such craft. Assuming they are telling the truth, living witnesses are physical evidence in and of themselves, at least to the extent that an event did happen, that it seemed to involve a real external stimulus, and therefore it is likely that something real was observed. What's more, there are so many reports, that combined with other types of information such as radar contacts, the argument that UFOs are all nonsense simply isn't reasonable ( at least to me ).

 

[Burnt State]

I agree that there is an external stimulus. And I also agree that there may very well be something alien, but bot necessarily ET that's responsible for what witnesses see. What i don't trust is that what they think they saw was a flying saucer was what it appeared to be in objective reality. As the years go by on sighting reports we can't ignore that what gets reported changes over time according to our own technology. Many like to credit this to the manipulations of the pilots of UFO's whereas I credit what's inside the brain of the witmess. That brain is trying to make sense of a strange external reality and depending on the existing imagery in that brain's record banks they might see a flying saucer or an airship or a flying tank or a blob of light.....so yes something is there but I don't trust that neural processing system that is very entangled in its own cultural and sociological issues based on the perceiver's personal history.

 

[victimized]

The only reason UFO is being discussed because the modern day occult scientist wants to understand the artificial concept and then interact it with his artificial machines (collider) as a new act beyond actual conversion of nuclear matter, already an artificial act and attack to life on Earth. Machines, invented are already the owners of the artificial signals and therefore do cause reactions in experiments, but the reactions are produced by the design of the machine, not the design of Nature. Therefore the machine as a design owns the signals and this is all the occultist themselves own as an ideal of experimentation with the "nuclear" and ownership.

Planet Earth ....the real mother-ship owns origin Energy and trying to steal it from the Earth has placed huge holes in the body of Earth by removal of its origin energy.

The occultist, has always wanted to "own" the ship as his occultist review states......and the occultist should consider that all he "personally" owns is an organic body.

The occultist who is a scientist, and the philosophy of occultism is 2 different reviews, and what the public should consider is the real secrecy relating to occultism as the practice of converting nuclear matter as a scientific ownership, and a mind that is not philosophical and it is by personal ownership a truly nasty minded human state.

Nuclear matter is a form that evolved by its own processes, and no human being existed in this process of evolution, yet the occultist wants our consciousness to own the preceding information of the nuclear so that he can use what he is considering, atmospheric ownership and cellular creation, replacement or occult consideration "healing". The occultist believes human life is actually the concept of O God or Christ, reviews he considered as information besides his own presence.

Just remember the obvious occultist you are a natural human organic life first, and this organic life and organic mind chose to apply sciences, invented machines to do the science. The thought of the occultist......I am not the science, for I build buildings to perform the sciences, keeping my own life safe, up until his own life is attacked by alteration of the natural Earth state. Therefore his conscious consideration has already advised him...that his personal consciousness and presence is "not science", yet he now ignores was he previously advised himself about.

The ancient occultist's machine was the pyramid, built in a structure of review relating to stone/nuclear, and also stone Temple buildings whose layout looks like a transmitter. (which is why the UFO has hovered over the Giza pyramid and ancient literature depicts it above the pyramid).

They had used underground water ways that once were bored out holes from previous black body radiation attacks on Earth as a tunnel system, which is why natural underground water became nucleated and undrinkable in ancient occult cause and effect. They used this system for building/levitating stone by change of nuclear sound and then it exploded above ground as a nucleated attack, only because they were playing with a very ancient body of energy that pre-existed as an atmospheric interaction with stone a long time before any natural organic life lived on Earth. It was why organic life was destroyed.

So the occultist brought evil into our modern day life and our mind/cell and natural brain review began to de-evolve as the signals try to convert us. As the signals are artificially formed, the occultist had to invent/artificially create in the atmosphere the signals. The signals are unnatural to Planet Earth as natural fusion and as an act as a converting became an attack upon stone and natural life. This is why organic life is attacked by the condition of the converting signal interacting at the ground state with stone, trying to convert our life at the same time it is converting the nuclear of stone.

This is why many humans in fed back atmospheric attacks saw the presence of the artificial spirit manifested inside of the O nuclear artificial orbital sound. Natural nuclear sound was converted on Earth to enable natural nuclear fusion to convert. Conversion does not happen naturally, as the radiation emissions of both plutonium and uranium was lessening as the atmosphere was amassing a colder atmosphere to Earth stone interaction.

Cooling of the atmosphere as an ancient act of destruction or "snap freeze" therefore allowed the ancient occult release of nuclear fake/artificial converting Earth stone signals to disappear and become cooled that had previously converted natural animal life and human life. Eventually the Earth was snap frozen in an iced condition that forced evolution of our cellular and mind life only because the ancient occult attack was stopped....the release of natural Earth fusion.

We therefore only see change by the cause of being irradiated, for as I experienced an irradiation attack, it affected my eyesight. I thought my eyesight would be lost for as my eyeballs burnt my eyesight darkened, and I could then see "light" and manifestation on a different level of light and sound in atmospheric feed back.

The occultist wants us all to believe that God is an Alien and is the Creator O that pre-existed the stone and its fusion. Yet the human organic consciousness does not exist or precede the union/fusion of natural stone, and our awareness only belongs to the changes to the natural evolution of fusion. As we never existed when radiated light was cooling, to try to convince us all that aliens were manifesting in this fusion condition is truly laughable. We own the condition that is causing us to see the alien and it only belongs to the destruction of the nuclear of stone, not it's creation.

I came to realize from dreams, such as when I was saw the ancient human Pope in the vision who was previously irradiated by an ancient meteor fall out, due to ancient occult practices, in the atmospheric fed back advice or brain mind realization. I saw the nuclear information that attacked him, for it was expressed in the dream. In an irradiation attack, I also saw a manifested holographic image of the past Pope/occultists as it interacted with my life awareness..I knew it was the older Pope by the clothes he was wearing in the dream. The Pope in the dream state was a pre recorded life incidence by the atmospheric fed back recording taken from his organic life presence as he was being irradiated and gave occult messages, so it gave me the awareness of his ancient attack.

This is why we see in the brain state dreams, fed back recorded visions in the atmosphere of our human family, nature, animal life and the attack upon all life, the alien/UFO condition, asides from the natural and normal 1 of photon interaction of a healthy life.

In the Pope dream he advised that the occultist consideration of fusion was previously proven wrong, for just like modern occult minds they believe that fusion relates to a cold status and that they were safe...until they were attacked. When irradiated by the meteor fall out, the Pope, just like my own experience knew that the condition of Ice and its melting is what saved natural life from being combusted....for human life has been witness to the unnatural atmospheric condition of causing self combustion as a realization of occultism.

He knew from the meteor release, that an asteroid, holding colder origin gases in its fusion had released the meteor, after the asteroid had heated. The asteroid released the colder gases to stop Earth from being attacked...or holes bored into it, and it was why huge meteor releases hit Earth before, yet Earth survived.

The cold gases were not created by conversion as a reaction, they already existed in a status of preceding evolution of cooled nuclear radiation and were simply released by heating of the asteroid body. The asteroid body was released in an outer system due to heating of the old black body radiation streams, and the condition of the asteroid is that its presence saved Planet Earth from being destroyed.....yet meteors released due to the gases heating can cause the loss of life also on Earth.

This is why occultism is an unnatural/artificial but naturally caused condition to the human physical aware state/mind/brain and cellular change, for we have always been advised and have always known that occultist practice.....the conversion of natural nuclear fusion is an act of evil.

As we know and are mind advised....the UFO comes from out of space. As Earth formed space as sink holes, this is where the Earth UFO has come from asthe Mother ship....the space that previously held a cold evolved nuclear radiated gas....Planet Earth.

 

[victimized]

Things which exist outside our mind exist in objective reality. There are some people who don't believe objective reality exists. I'm not one of them.

All forms of confirmation still boil down to our subjective experience of such confirmation, and therefore the best we can do with any claim for the objective reality of something is to build as sound a case as we can based on the evidence. Wistful thinking is not evidence of objective reality, however firsthand experience is, because it's a virtual certainty that stimuli from the outside world do become a part of our subjective experience, and therefore sensory perceptions resulting from external stimuli, must therefore represent objectively real objects of some kind. It may be the case that the kind of object we perceive may not the kind we think it is, but it's still objectively real.

So the next question is to assess how likely it is that all such perceptions of UFOs are not what people seem to think they are. When we do that, we can filter the noise out even more, and when I do that, rather than getting a blank screen, because the object is just some kind of brain generated image based on perceived patterns in the noise, I get a clearer picture that alien craft are objectively real. Phillip K. Dick wrote that: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Setting aside my personal belief, I still get this same picture, and indeed, the UFO phenomenon does not seem to have gone away either.

When a human tells another human that physical objects do not exist and want us to believe that they do not, obviously there is something wrong with your own awareness. We can touch and feel the physical, and we can witness the manifestation of a nearly physical state, interact with it as a communicating condition and then the condition changes. The human mind aware of communication is affected by communication giving it awareness. We also have and belong to the physical reality besides what can manifest and "disappear".

When an occultist knows that he is converting naturally formed matter.......nuclear dust as an act of transformation through destruction, then obviously artificial matter would manifest and then de-manifest in the condition of converting the matter. This is what the UFO displays.

As the machines doing the converting are using signals of the nuclear that belong to the conditions of Earth as a whole body, then the whole body of Earth would be involved in the releases of converting natural stone fusion and evolution.

The occultist, who considers that time is being traveled therefore has altered nuclear and Sun Time, has been manifesting the conditions to attack/change fusion by unnatural and artificial means, causes an artificial attack and alters the natural precepts of the human mind/brain. We all witness the physical changes and the occultist tries to convince us all that he has caused no changes to natural states...yet the product he is removing in masses of dust is being removed and has disappeared as a support condition of our natural organic life.

 

[Burnt State]

The only reason UFO is being discussed because the modern day occult scientist wants to understand the artificial concept and then interact it with his artificial machines (collider) as a new act beyond actual conversion of nuclear matter, already an artificial act and attack to life on Earth. Machines, invented are already the owners of the artificial signals and therefore do cause reactions in experiments, but the reactions are produced by the design of the machine, not the design of Nature. Therefore the machine as a design owns the signals and this is all the occultist themselves own as an ideal of experimentation with the "nuclear" and ownership.

Planet Earth ....the real mother-ship owns origin Energy and trying to steal it from the Earth has placed huge holes in the body of Earth by removal of its origin energy.

The occultist, has always wanted to "own" the ship as his occultist review states......and the occultist should consider that all he "personally" owns is an organic body.

The occultist who is a scientist, and the philosophy of occultism is 2 different reviews, and what the public should consider is the real secrecy relating to occultism as the practice of converting nuclear matter as a scientific ownership, and a mind that is not philosophical and it is by personal ownership a truly nasty minded human state.

Nuclear matter is a form that evolved by its own processes, and no human being existed in this process of evolution, yet the occultist wants our consciousness to own the preceding information of the nuclear so that he can use what he is considering, atmospheric ownership and cellular creation, replacement or occult consideration "healing". The occultist believes human life is actually the concept of O God or Christ, reviews he considered as information besides his own presence.

Just remember the obvious occultist you are a natural human organic life first, and this organic life and organic mind chose to apply sciences, invented machines to do the science. The thought of the occultist......I am not the science, for I build buildings to perform the sciences, keeping my own life safe, up until his own life is attacked by alteration of the natural Earth state. Therefore his conscious consideration has already advised him...that his personal consciousness and presence is "not science", yet he now ignores was he previously advised himself about.

The ancient occultist's machine was the pyramid, built in a structure of review relating to stone/nuclear, and also stone Temple buildings whose layout looks like a transmitter. (which is why the UFO has hovered over the Giza pyramid and ancient literature depicts it above the pyramid).

They had used underground water ways that once were bored out holes from previous black body radiation attacks on Earth as a tunnel system, which is why natural underground water became nucleated and undrinkable in ancient occult cause and effect. They used this system for building/levitating stone by change of nuclear sound and then it exploded above ground as a nucleated attack, only because they were playing with a very ancient body of energy that pre-existed as an atmospheric interaction with stone a long time before any natural organic life lived on Earth. It was why organic life was destroyed.

So the occultist brought evil into our modern day life and our mind/cell and natural brain review began to de-evolve as the signals try to convert us. As the signals are artificially formed, the occultist had to invent/artificially create in the atmosphere the signals. The signals are unnatural to Planet Earth as natural fusion and as an act as a converting became an attack upon stone and natural life. This is why organic life is attacked by the condition of the converting signal interacting at the ground state with stone, trying to convert our life at the same time it is converting the nuclear of stone.

This is why many humans in fed back atmospheric attacks saw the presence of the artificial spirit manifested inside of the O nuclear artificial orbital sound. Natural nuclear sound was converted on Earth to enable natural nuclear fusion to convert. Conversion does not happen naturally, as the radiation emissions of both plutonium and uranium was lessening as the atmosphere was amassing a colder atmosphere to Earth stone interaction.

Cooling of the atmosphere as an ancient act of destruction or "snap freeze" therefore allowed the ancient occult release of nuclear fake/artificial converting Earth stone signals to disappear and become cooled that had previously converted natural animal life and human life. Eventually the Earth was snap frozen in an iced condition that forced evolution of our cellular and mind life only because the ancient occult attack was stopped....the release of natural Earth fusion.

We therefore only see change by the cause of being irradiated, for as I experienced an irradiation attack, it affected my eyesight. I thought my eyesight would be lost for as my eyeballs burnt my eyesight darkened, and I could then see "light" and manifestation on a different level of light and sound in atmospheric feed back.

The occultist wants us all to believe that God is an Alien and is the Creator O that pre-existed the stone and its fusion. Yet the human organic consciousness does not exist or precede the union/fusion of natural stone, and our awareness only belongs to the changes to the natural evolution of fusion. As we never existed when radiated light was cooling, to try to convince us all that aliens were manifesting in this fusion condition is truly laughable. We own the condition that is causing us to see the alien and it only belongs to the destruction of the nuclear of stone, not it's creation.

I came to realize from dreams, such as when I was saw the ancient human Pope in the vision who was previously irradiated by an ancient meteor fall out, due to ancient occult practices, in the atmospheric fed back advice or brain mind realization. I saw the nuclear information that attacked him, for it was expressed in the dream. In an irradiation attack, I also saw a manifested holographic image of the past Pope/occultists as it interacted with my life awareness..I knew it was the older Pope by the clothes he was wearing in the dream. The Pope in the dream state was a pre recorded life incidence by the atmospheric fed back recording taken from his organic life presence as he was being irradiated and gave occult messages, so it gave me the awareness of his ancient attack.

This is why we see in the brain state dreams, fed back recorded visions in the atmosphere of our human family, nature, animal life and the attack upon all life, the alien/UFO condition, asides from the natural and normal 1 of photon interaction of a healthy life.

In the Pope dream he advised that the occultist consideration of fusion was previously proven wrong, for just like modern occult minds they believe that fusion relates to a cold status and that they were safe...until they were attacked. When irradiated by the meteor fall out, the Pope, just like my own experience knew that the condition of Ice and its melting is what saved natural life from being combusted....for human life has been witness to the unnatural atmospheric condition of causing self combustion as a realization of occultism.

He knew from the meteor release, that an asteroid, holding colder origin gases in its fusion had released the meteor, after the asteroid had heated. The asteroid released the colder gases to stop Earth from being attacked...or holes bored into it, and it was why huge meteor releases hit Earth before, yet Earth survived.

The cold gases were not created by conversion as a reaction, they already existed in a status of preceding evolution of cooled nuclear radiation and were simply released by heating of the asteroid body. The asteroid body was released in an outer system due to heating of the old black body radiation streams, and the condition of the asteroid is that its presence saved Planet Earth from being destroyed.....yet meteors released due to the gases heating can cause the loss of life also on Earth.

This is why occultism is an unnatural/artificial but naturally caused condition to the human physical aware state/mind/brain and cellular change, for we have always been advised and have always known that occultist practice.....the conversion of natural nuclear fusion is an act of evil.

As we know and are mind advised....the UFO comes from out of space. As Earth formed space as sink holes, this is where the Earth UFO has come from asthe Mother ship....the space that previously held a cold evolved nuclear radiated gas....Planet Earth.

So this material has come to you, or been confirmed, through visions and dreams? Are there other specific texts or other resources you have used to bring you to these conclusions? What is your history, if you don't mind me asking, regarding your relationship to occultism, science and religion?

 

[Randall]

When a human tells another human that physical objects do not exist and want us to believe that they do not, obviously there is something wrong with your own awareness. We can touch and feel the physical, and we can witness the manifestation of a nearly physical state, interact with it as a communicating condition and then the condition changes. The human mind aware of communication is affected by communication giving it awareness. We also have and belong to the physical reality besides what can manifest and "disappear".

When an occultist knows that he is converting naturally formed matter.......nuclear dust as an act of transformation through destruction, then obviously artificial matter would manifest and then de-manifest in the condition of converting the matter. This is what the UFO displays.

As the machines doing the converting are using signals of the nuclear that belong to the conditions of Earth as a whole body, then the whole body of Earth would be involved in the releases of converting natural stone fusion and evolution.

The occultist, who considers that time is being traveled therefore has altered nuclear and Sun Time, has been manifesting the conditions to attack/change fusion by unnatural and artificial means, causes an artificial attack and alters the natural precepts of the human mind/brain. We all witness the physical changes and the occultist tries to convince us all that he has caused no changes to natural states...yet the product he is removing in masses of dust is being removed and has disappeared as a support condition of our natural organic life.

You need to go back here and start over: My spiritual experience