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The Reason Why The Abduction phenomena Gets No where


PararealitySaint

An Open Minded Skeptic
Watch this video over and over and find where there was an "Alien Abduction" in any of it.

The sad part is this is exactly the kind of attention people who have actually experienced the phenomena do not need.

How on earth can real investigatory work be done on this subject when crap like this is thrown out there:

 
That was a silly video.
You can find plenty of videos like that for any topic.

The abduction phenomenon is real - the problem is that it's not actually people being abducted.
 
That was a silly video.
You can find plenty of videos like that for any topic.

The abduction phenomenon is real - the problem is that it's not actually people being abducted.

Yeah, it's so sad to see that all of this seems no more than attention seekers doing anything they can to get noticed. I had this show up on the Yahoo front door to their daily page and I sat there and looked at it for a moment and wondered. Here is he orginial:

RAMSTEIN ALIEN ABDUCTION CAUGHT ON CAMERA - 6 hours ago

I thought, WOW! They finally had something to show!

So like a dupe I went to the site, took the time out to watch the video....and then watched it again.....the word "DUPE" getting larger and larger....

Man.
 
Insisting what "it isnt" is no differemt than insisting "what it is".

There is no proof its happening, and no proof its not
 
Insisting what "it isnt" is no differemt than insisting "what it is".

There is no proof its happening, and no proof its not

That's the problem though Mike. Those that are proponents of it insist that people are being abducted by aliens when more prosaic explanations are available.
 
I have sensed that a lot of UFOlogists and enthusiasts have tried to sort of separate themselves from the abduction phenomenon in the last few years, or at least some will qualify that abductions should be completely separated from the observation of aerial phenomena. It's not hard to understand why (at least for me). Do you all think that this is true? Just wondering.
 
I have sensed that a lot of UFOlogists and enthusiasts have tried to sort of separate themselves from the abduction phenomenon in the last few years, or at least some will qualify that abductions should be completely separated from the observation of aerial phenomena. It's not hard to understand why (at least for me). Do you all think that this is true? Just wondering.

You couldn't be more on in your point RJHark00. The main reason why I posted this in the first place was to show the utter disrespect people seem to have for this phenomenon. I don't propose to believe that it is "E.T." which is abducting people out of their beds, but I do believe that something is happening to them, and it should be handled with a great deal more respect, than what seems to pass for a terrible misuse of the news!

As I stated before, my initial response was to take the Yahoo post seriously. I clicked it on fully believing that what I was about to view would be actual video tape of an "Alien Abduction".....note that I stated it as, "Alien" which is much different than the title, "Extraterrestrial." I choose to call it thus because I stand by my opinion that E.T. isn't interested in us even if he exists at all.

To state that this is similar to other misuses of a news title is doing those who suffered from the aftershock of abduction a serious mis-justice, that even I in my usual skepticism wouldn't espouse to do.
 
That's the problem though Mike. Those that are proponents of it insist that people are being abducted by aliens when more prosaic explanations are available.
Im not sure a prosaic explanation fits all examples though .

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As a scientist I am always aware of the maxim that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. To date Mainstream UFO events have revealed some compelling evidence for their physical reality. The challenge for researchers has always been to determine if that evidence is consistent with an alien reality. Comparable evidence to support the reality of abduction events has been lacking Or relatively uncompelling.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In my two decades of research into Australian abduction claims, it has been difficult not to hold the position that abduction cases have perhaps told me more about the human condition than they have about UFOs. What follows, however, is a report On an affair which may amount to evidence for a reality behind abduction reports.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kelly Cahill, a 27 -year-old housewife and mother of three children, is a pivotal figure in a remarkable episode which may have much to tell experiencers and researchers alike. She contacted me on October 4, 1993, seeking assistance in understanding a bizarre experience she underwent near the outer Melbourne suburban housing estate of Narre Warren North, in the foothills of the Dandenongs, Victoria, between Belgrave and Fountain Gate, during the early hours of August 8, 1993.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Kelly told me that apart from her husband with her in their car, she was aware of another vehicle farther down the hill from their own position. That car contained at least two persons, a man and a woman. She paid little heed to them at the time because she and her husband had their attention riveted on a massive UFO which had landed in the field opposite them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Because Kelly lived in Victoria and I live in New South Wales, I passed details of Kelly's experience on to John Auchettl of Phenomena Research Australia (PRA) and urged Kelly to contact him. PRA got on the case immediately .[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By November 17 PRA had located the man and woman Kelly had seen that night. It turned out that the couple also had a friend (a woman) with them. These witnesses took Auchettl to the encounter site, to a spot consistent with Kelly's description. The group's drawings of the UFO and entities also closely coincide with Kelly' s.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here we have a striking situation. Two groups of persons unknown to each other have witnessed the same UFO encounter and entities. They also experienced missing time, and each group has been available to competent investigators. Independent witnesses have provided information which enable cross-checking and correlations to reveal a remarkable amount of similar information. The result is a compelling case for the reality of the strange events.described. The ontological status of the events is further strengthened by a range of apparently related physical traces, including ground traces, a magnetic anomaly, and effects on some of the witnesses.[/FONT]

http://www.theozfiles.com/kelly_cahill.html


The data in this case is compelling, the second set of witness's did not know the first, they were tracked down by those researching the data, and we have physical trace evidence, including ground traces and magnetic anomaly.

http://ufos.about.com/od/aliensalienabduction/p/cahill1993.htm

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Nor does there seemk to be a prosiac answer to the DNA results of this case

In 1996, Peter was hypnotically regressed by Pulitzer prize-winning, Harvard psychiatrist John Mack to try to clarify the 1988 experience. Under Mack's regression Peter described being taken into an illuminated room. He was on a table with one entity above him, speaking to him but with a sound like birds chirping. It was one person - a shadowy tall figure

http://aliendnaparadigm.blogspot.com/2010/01/alien-dna-paradigm-introduction.html#comments

The original DNA work was done on the shaft of the hair. Fascinating further anomalies were found in the root of the hair. Two types of DNA were found depending on where the mitochondrial DNA testing occurs, namely confirming the rare Chinese type DNA in the hair shaft and indicating a rare possible Basque/Gaelic type DNA in the root section.









The Hair Root DNA Sequence

This was very puzzling and controversial, until a 'Nature Biotechnology' paper appeared in 2000. It revealed recent findings on hair transplanting with previously incompatible hair, using advanced cloning techniques, developed in a possible cure for baldness. We seem to be seeing similar combined or "grafted" DNA in the sample recovered under controversial circumstances by Peter Khoury back in 1992.


Perhaps even more controversial is that we have findings suggestive of nuclear DNA indicating possible viral resistance. The hair sample seems to show it contains 2 deleted genes for CCR5 protein and no intact gene for normal undeleted CCR5 - this CCR5 deletion factor has been implicated in aids resistance.








To keep a very complex story somewhat uncomplicated, what seems to be suggested by the range of findings is possible evidence for advanced DNA techniques and DNA anomalies & findings, for which we are only now discovering or starting to make sense of in mainstream biotechnology.

Peter has passed a lie detector test in regards to the events he describes, given by an ex member of the australian federal police
 
Even if alien abductions were real how would one go about proving it? Nothing really makes sense that wouldn't raise ethical issues. The encounter narratives seem to have all possible avenues for practical research blocked from the start: the witnesses claim the ships and even the beings themselves can be invisible or pass through solid material, that they can read and control thoughts, that the abductees are monitored, sometimes even that the entities can manipulate time, etc. Assuming those things were true, a pretty giant assumption, how does a scientist go about proving that something like that is factual, especially if it's intelligent and has an interest in not being proven? Not saying this stuff is true, just that if it was what could science do anyway? Probably little so why waste their time on something that probably isn't real in the first place and even if it were is so far outside the boundaries of what science can deal with it would be a waste of effort?

At the least 99% of this stuff has got to be nonsense: crazy people, hoaxers, flakes, mistaken sleep paralysis, the me-too crowd, and likely the biggest culprit: fictional memories made to feel real by hypnosis. Even Sammy Hagar thinks he's an abductee because of a dream he had. A dream?! That's all it takes to adopt such a dramatic belief?

There's a few cases that seem a bit more mysterious than usual, like Kelly Cahill (Mentioned above by someone else), Betty and Barney Hill, and the Allagash case. But those are rare, just a ripple in an ocean of nonsense reports. Even those few fall far short of what the scientific method demands.

Given all that it seems silly to me to expect scientists to get in bed with this issue. First of all, there's barely anything worthwhile to investigate. Secondly, despite a few interesting cases the so-called phenomenon probably isn't real, and third, even if it is real what could scientists possibly do about it? They wouldn't get any further along with it than anyone else has and that time could be better spent doing something where success is a possibility.
 
There is no doubt that there is a lot of noise in the field, but as these cases above demonstrate, there is some potential signal.
And that alone is worth researching.
The rationale that because we cant understand something like invisability etc therefore its not real is silly.
Last century mankind went from vehicles powered by animals, to Nuclear powered submarines that can circumnavigate the planet without surfacing. From the horse and carriage, to Gagarins circumnavigation in 108 minutes

Today we are playing with metamaterials

Metamaterial cloaking is the science of applying metamaterials to achieve invisibility-cloaking. This is accomplished by manipulating the paths traversed by light through the novel optical material.
Metamaterials direct and control the propagation and transmission of specified parts of the light spectrum. and could be utilized to render an object seemingly invisible. Metamaterial cloaking, based on transformation optics, describes the process of shielding something from view by controlling electromagnetic radiation. Objects in the defined location are still present, but incident waves are guided around them without being affected by the object itself.[1][2][3][4][5]
Other related concepts have been proposed in peer reviewed, scientific articles, but are discussed in a different article (see below). Hence, other theories of invisibility-cloaking, or electromagnetic cloaking, describe different methods of scattering and shielding.
Metamaterials have become a new subdiscipline within physics and electromagnetism (especially optics and photonics).[13][14]

Including nanotech and superconductors, and advanced genetics, indeed the Khoury case is a good example of DNA technology thats being reflected in both the abduction scenario and our own biomed research.
Not understanding aspects of the phenomena is imo poor grounds for dismissing it.

Manipulating time is no big deal, it happens in nature

Gravitational time dilation
Main article: Gravitational time dilation
There is another case of time dilation, where both observers are differently situated in their distance from a significant gravitational mass, such as (for terrestrial observers) the Earth or the Sun. One may suppose for simplicity that the observers are at relative rest (which is not the case of two observers both rotating with the Earth—an extra factor described below). In the simplified case, the general theory of relativity describes how, for both observers, the clock that is closer to the gravitational mass, i.e. deeper in its "gravity well", appears to go slower than the clock that is more distant from the mass (or higher in altitude away from the center of the gravitational mass). That does not mean that the two observers fully agree: each still makes the local clock to be correct; the observer more distant from the mass (higher in altitude) measures the other clock (closer to the mass, lower in altitude) to be slower than the local correct rate, and the observer situated closer to the mass (lower in altitude) measures the other clock (farther from the mass, higher in altitude) to be faster than the local correct rate. They agree at least that the clock nearer the mass is slower in rate and on the ratio of the difference.

Time passes faster the higher you are

Researchers in the United States have for the first time shown that time passes faster the higher up you are.
In a curious aspect of Albert Einsten's theory of relativity, they show that someone living or working long hours in a top floor apartment or office will age more quickly than someone on the ground floor.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/24/3020863.htm?section=justin

Time is a variable value, not a constant steady rate.
We tend to see time as a constant because we are all in the same gravity well, but thats an illusion.
There is a lot more to understand about the nature of our universe, , and if there are more advanced species visiting us, studying them and their technology could save us having to reinvent the wheel so to speak.
Yes its elusive , but then so is the stuff being discovered in the LHC.
The LHC is a massive project and piece of equipment, which in of itself tells us nothing, but the tiny particles it creates, could change the way we see the physical universe

Also known as the God particle because of its importance, it is a missing piece - the last of the many particles predicted to exist by the standard model of particle physics that has not yet been detected. It is thought to give all the other particles their mass.
Rumours of a possible sighting began to circulate when a note from four researchers analysing data from the ATLAS detector at the collider was posted anonymously on the internet.
The internal memo, reporting results from collisions that could be interpreted as a signature of the Higgs boson, was intended for the 3000 other scientists working on the project.
The note concluded: ''Exciting new physics, including new particles, may be expected to be found in the very near future.''



or this stuff

We're trying to come up with ways of self-assembling tissue units," says Ali Khademhosseini, an associate professor at Brigham and Women's Hospital at Harvard Medical School and a specialist in tissue engineering who is collaborating with Paprotny. "In the body, tissues are made in a hierarchical way—units repeat themselves over and over to generate larger tissue structures." Muscle tissue, for example, is made from small fibers, while liver tissue has a repeating hexagonal shape.
Khademhosseini has encased cells in jelly-like hydrogels and assembled them (using methods that include liquid-air interactions and surface tensions) into different regions to mimic biological tissues. But he thinks the self-assembling microrobots will allow more control in creating the tissues.
"We can try to combine cells and materials in microfabrication systems to come up with structures and assemble them in particular ways using the techniques Igor has developed," says Khademhosseini.
He envisions fabricating the gels and cells on top of teams of robots working in parallel to construct different parts of a tissue. "We could use the robots to do assembly," he says. "The cells, once they're assembled, come off from the robots, letting cells rearrange further to make things that are indistinguishable from natural tissue."
http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/37482/page2/
 
There's a few cases that seem a bit more mysterious than usual, like Kelly Cahill (Mentioned above by someone else), Betty

Interesting you should bring her up again. Here is a quote from one of her interviews:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Anyway, I started screaming and going on about demons trying to steal people's souls. . . . I like not to admit that it came from my mouth, but it did. . . . But I'm going to tell it the way it is.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Next thing I hear him saying, "Would somebody do something about .her?" And I felt a hand . . . touch my shoulder. It wasn't hard. It was quite gentle.That's when I absolutely cracked! I'm still sitting on the ground, and I couldn't see a thing, but I made sure that my eyes were just fierce. . . . Something snapped in me. Before that I was crying. All of a sudden something snapped in me, and I got so angry . Then I started screaming out, "How dare you do this to these innocent people?" Like it was my fault. Because I was on a big spiritual search, and I really got the impression that it was my fault. And I thought, why involve other people?. . . I felt like, almost like there was a fight for me. Like it was something I had to do. . . [/FONT]
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Is it just me or does a certain type of person tend to report abduction encounters? Y'know, mostly caucasian, middle-class suburbanites. Where are the reports from street gangs, guys in prison, prostitutes? At this point I would be more impressed by a report from an illiterate street walker who is a member of the Crips. At least that would be something different. Perhaps I'm growing cynical or even impatient but it seems to me that the reports of alien abduction have been following a bit of a pattern, educated people with a lot of time on their hands, a lot of time to exercise their imaginations and get worked up over silly things.
 
Interesting you should bring her up again. Here is a quote from one of her interviews:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Anyway, I started screaming and going on about demons trying to steal people's souls. . . . I like not to admit that it came from my mouth, but it did. . . . But I'm going to tell it the way it is.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Next thing I hear him saying, "Would somebody do something about .her?" And I felt a hand . . . touch my shoulder. It wasn't hard. It was quite gentle.That's when I absolutely cracked! I'm still sitting on the ground, and I couldn't see a thing, but I made sure that my eyes were just fierce. . . . Something snapped in me. Before that I was crying. All of a sudden something snapped in me, and I got so angry . Then I started screaming out, "How dare you do this to these innocent people?" Like it was my fault. Because I was on a big spiritual search, and I really got the impression that it was my fault. And I thought, why involve other people?. . . I felt like, almost like there was a fight for me. Like it was something I had to do. . . [/FONT]"

There is nothing unusual about Ms Cahill seeing thru the filter of her religious perceptions, but that doesnt mean she drew correct conclusions
 
Is it just me or does a certain type of person tend to report abduction encounters? Y'know, mostly caucasian, middle-class suburbanites. Where are the reports from street gangs, guys in prison, prostitutes? At this point I would be more impressed by a report from an illiterate street walker who is a member of the Crips. At least that would be something different. Perhaps I'm growing cynical or even impatient but it seems to me that the reports of alien abduction have been following a bit of a pattern, educated people with a lot of time on their hands, a lot of time to exercise their imaginations and get worked up over silly things.

You know Wickerman1972, over the many years I had read about and investigated some of these reports personally, I couldn't help but also arrive at the same conclusion. It seems that almost every "abduction" happens to white, suburban, middle to upper class people.

Also, due to the sheer lack of physically backed evidential proof and the significant psychological similarities between the many cases, most in the field have also begun to arrive at the conclusion that the entire phenomenon, for the most part, is occurring within the minds of the victims and not by any outside influences whatsoever.

I am not at that conclusive bend in the road as of yet, but many of the cases I have taken part in, NEVER divulged any physical proof, and usually were found to be psychosomatic in the overall setting.

Again though, there have been supposed "eyewitness" reporting of lights, dark figures, "E.T." looking creatures, night hags forcing the victim to be frozen in place, etc. etc. We cannot easily rule out these people's reporting solely as unreliable, but once again as mentioned here, without the "measuring tools" necessary to analyze this as a subject falling within the parameters of our known science, who really can say what's happening to them for sure.
 
From what I understand the experincer’s conscious has been immersed in some type of field, and tampered with. Perhaps the experincer’s conscious has a heightened ability, and is able to interact with the phenomenon. I don’t recall ever hearing of a blind, or deaf person interacting with the abductee phenomenon. On another note, I would not doubt an experincer passing a lie detector test, because in their mind they were actually abducted.
 
Often the data (in any research) reflects the biases of those assembling the protocols to collect the data. It's easy to look at the data for abduction and draw what seems to be a commonsensical conclusion that abductees tend to be white folk whom fall in the middle to high SES range. However, this data point may be simply be a reflection of a litany of assumptions that were introduced in the original research and perpetuated by those whom followed -(um, yep, middle and upper class white folk) and unfortunately this pattern is being perpetuated ad infinitum due to lack of vision and interest in and from less figural areas of society and culture (those from multicultural and low SES backgrounds). And speaking as a mental health professional, I would argue that these narratives are heard and rather regularly from the Hoi Polloi so to speak, but it is ignored. It's where you look and who's doing the looking. I'd guess there's a lot of stereotypes built into that assumption in the first place.
 
Often the data (in any research) reflects the biases of those assembling the protocols to collect the data. It's easy to look at the data for abduction and draw what seems to be a commonsensical conclusion that abductees tend to be white folk whom fall in the middle to high SES range. However, this data point may be simply be a reflection of a litany of assumptions that were introduced in the original research and perpetuated by those whom followed -(um, yep, middle and upper class white folk) and unfortunately this pattern is being perpetuated ad infinitum due to lack of vision and interest in and from less figural areas of society and culture (those from multicultural and low SES backgrounds). And speaking as a mental health professional, I would argue that these narratives are heard and rather regularly from the Hoi Polloi so to speak, but it is ignored. It's where you look and who's doing the looking. I'd guess there's a lot of stereotypes built into that assumption in the first place.

Or the Phenomenon seems to be happening to a segment of the population which over the years, have been more susceptible to the ever increasing amount of B.S. on the very circumstances by which the influence seems to promote the symptom. I too have a back ground in the mental health field, albeit one which I never pursued further than the minimum requirements of a minor degree. Even so, over the years of investigation into these abduction cases, the obvious cannot be ignored. In the many I have either heard of or been a part in during an investigatory role, not one could I classify as "minority" driven or non Caucasian by example (One was Native American but Western Latin influenced in that the spouse was Italian).

No, I think it is more due to the sociological aspect of media investment, religious influence, and other influences akin to an atmosphere of likened circumstances which promote what many in the field believe to be a form of self induced sordid hallucination. Again, before I am ritualistically sacrificed for writing down this opinion, note that I don't necessarily agree with its findings. I have not been completely persuaded that something physical isn't influencing these poor victims, perhaps demonically driven, but once again, the lack of evidential variance in any scientific evaluation, and this from the thousands of cases on file, weighs heavily against my defense.

I have seen the metal taken out of the victim's bodies. I have watched some of the fascinating video which purported to show actual Aliens abducting these poor people. I have been in on test subject cases where the individual was watched 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for months at a time, and even in all these cases, not once could I point any of the findings as conclusive proof of abduction. The videos were usually shown to be faked, the metal taken out would normally be of a type found terrestrially, the months of observances within some of the test subjects would prove useless, as they would experience none of the background information on abduction they promised they experienced. Without soluble evidence more than substantially presented to the scientific or even laymen community, the phenomenon continues to stay on the list of the "para"-normally unknown.
 
On a light note...

The following is from a predominantly black female website, and the topic is "Why don't aliens abduct black people?"

This was written by a black woman:

"we just too damn difficult to deal with, if i was an ALIEN the last muthaphuka i would try to abduct would be a black person...especially a "sista"

could u imagine a spaceship trying to land on a black woman's property.........

"now who da hell shining dat big ass light on my front lawn"- black woman

"it is I ...valcon from the planet vultron!!"-alien

"val who???" ..."man u betta turn off that damn light my daughter trying to sleep and shyt"-

"ahh fukk it"- alien

alien high tails it out of the Mlk blvd. area...and vows to never return to anyplace within distance of a check cashing venue or chinese restaurant"

Seriously, though, I can't find any peer-reviewed scientific papers regarding age, sex, race, or class of abductees/contactees. I will keep looking.
 
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